Nungali

That's because they follow a certain story line development ... take Star Wars for example : George Lucas, the creator of Star Wars, specifically referenced the works of Joseph Campbell and the hero's journey, as well as classical mythology and historical events like the Vietnam War. Dune ? ( I always suspected he was an initiate 'of a certain order' ... or at least read their rituals . )

Great, now we can spend our time watching Trump and Putin , both have been aged , 20kg heavier, in tutus and doing romantic ballet together . (It's out there .)

I was with a human woman dolphin once ... man could SHE swim ! Okay she had really Looooong foot fins, but still . And the free breath depth ! It was on a manta boat in WA . Her job was , when the spotter planes radioed in manta ray location, the boat would go nearby , she would go in , swim to them and hand signal for us to go in and swim over . They stay in one spot for a bit then take off and go somewhere else . When that happens she signals again differently and one returns to the boat , the mantas take off and she follows them .... keeping up ..... then when they stop again she signals , boat goes to nearby and we get another go with them . No bulky muscles on her ... muscles alright but sleek and stream lined and powerful ,,, her leg muscles were shaped like dolphin ] .... I suspect she was part dolphin as well . I never seen anyone swim as fast as that and for as long . But can she do a bench press with 300lbs ? Who cares !

I don't find that strange What I do find strange is the 'unreality ' of the muscles of some female body builders ! and in that case ... the men too ! I don't think Valdir here will be taking an office job with suit and TIE anytime soon .

I think you can 'handle' the answer to this First 'dharma' definition - and due to the above references ; " (in Indian religion) the eternal and inherent nature of reality, regarded in Hinduism as a cosmic law underlying right behaviour and social order. " yeah ? The simple answer is .... are you SURE they are directives from 'God in the highest sense of the word ' ? As a student of religions and divinity , it reads pretty clearly to me. Try focusing on the last 6 words of the definition . Now, we know 'right behavior and social order ' are different in different cultures and different religions . It has even been postulated by one of the greatest and longest running civilizations that right behavior and social order 'down here ' are the same as 'cosmic law' ( Maat - Ancient Egypt ) . Let's not forget the King back then was considered an incarnation of 'God ' , so ... Its about the importance of following a human social law system ... remembering that back then when these religions were formed , the understanding of physical cosmology was somewhat limited and its also based on a cosmological geocentric model . You are smart enough to figure out the rest . That's all I will say , as some seem to be getting offended regarding my observations that have come from a lifetime of eclectic study in the field . But great and valid question .... I am sure a teacher in the Upanishads tradition will give you a different answer though .

Maybe your 'youngling self' has to die . I don't recommend seeking initiation substitutes from star wars or modern media stuff ..... although it would not surprise me here on DBs ... were people tout initiation from ' AI master ' !

Do your I.E. etymology on it

That will work ! Woman applying to us for initiation years ago ; " What should I wear to my initiation ... I have made a beautiful robe , should I wear that ? " - 'Street clothes , are sufficient . ' " But I made this beautiful robe covered with stuff for it ! " - 'every day attire' is recommended .... do you go out wearing it as 'every day attire' ' " Well ..... no but think I should wear it to a magical ceremony " - in which symbolism will be important and later meditated upon . ( one of the initiation 'officers ' later , out of earshot : " Besides , she gonna be stripped naked after a few minutes anyway and her clothes tossed outside ! " )

No , in many cases it starts of with you being naked . However , if you make it through to actually become an initiate some might then give you or you to obtain a black robe . This signifies you are a blank slate, an empty bucket , in darkness or ignorance , etc . Eventually through other initiations or 'sub degrees ' (in some cases ) 'stars' will appear (insignia) on the blackness . Then more robes are accrued ; eg 'Outer robe of concealment' , 'inner robe of glory ' , etc . All symbolic of the psychic systems of the body and regulating your life . Sacrificing babies ? Well maybe , depending on how devoted to the oath you are ... many find it very difficult, suffer long delays and have to drop off the path due to family and children committeemen .... maybe that's why monks don't get married a lot of the time ? One needs to approach the term sacrifice with ultimate caution ... otherwise they might make 'a great miss' . In any case , we expect any would be candidate for initiation should have already a modicum of decency , be unpsychotic and also be sponsored by some current members that can attest to that . What does 'you just sort of in' mean ?

Interesting post . You are not the 'first' ; Long time ago BEFORE the dream time .... Ungud earth snake rainbow serpent is alone on the earth , which is uniformed , just a disc of sand with Ungud on it . he looks up to the heavens and sees Wallenganda , black snake , the dark river running through the Milky Way , and he sees all the 'ooh-aahs' ( the stars ) that are the campfires of her children , camped along the riverbanks of their mother . Wallenganda notices Ungud looking at her : " What you looking at ! ? " " I am looking up at you and your children ." " Why you looking ! ? " (in some Aboriginal cultures ; rude to 'stare' ) " because you look beautiful ... up there , with all your children ... and the river .... poor Ungud, down here all alone , I got no river , I got no children .... poor Ungud ." So Wallenganda felt sorry for him , she spat some of her water down on Ungud , Ungud gathered it together and dived down through the sand taking the water with him and left a big sandhill behind that turned to stone ( Uluru - Ayres Rock ) . he took the water underground and held it together ( the Great Artesian basin ) and he curled up in that water and went to sleep ... and had a dream . And in that dream he multiplied himself and all the Ungud's went out in different directions and the water followed ,, he surfaced and made springs, he dived back down and made soaks until eventually they all came toi the edge and went out and the water flowed behind them and made the great Sea . And eventaully the wandjina ( associated with rain ) appeared , and life and animals and people .... all part of Ungud's dream . One day, that old snake down there dreaming will wake up ! You, me , all of this , finished . All a dream ... but a good dream . Earth's Water Fallen from Outer Space | LAEO GIS Analytics

So we aren't going to have a pages long discussion about me Joking - I hope you read my reply before you deleted things .

Also with the representation of the three , one might look at the three Gunas , the idea that everything is a something , with two extremities and 'the thing itself ( eg positive and negative and electricity or man and woman and human , or a line with two ends going off in either direction and the line itself eg 'Light ' or the EMS ; or the fact that we live in three dimensions , or the 'cube of space ' ; physically or psychologically ;

Bearing the bolded part in mind .... The Tao is that unknown and unfathomable 'impetus' that causes the one to manifest out of the none . The one is that manifestation that holds both the yin and yang polarity signatures . Its all fine to boil it down to a formula like yin and yang equal Tao ; n+ + n- = 0 , but what causes the original 'division ' of the 'one' ( n+ + n- ) ? What causes 'universal non-existence' to form 'singulairity' before the 'big bang ' ( generation of 10,000 things ) in physics . Basic universal forces in fundamental physics and nature . the same .... https://home.web.cern.ch/science/physics/supersymmetry#:~:text=Supersymmetry predicts that each of,differences in their collective properties. https://home.web.cern.ch/science/physics/supersymmetry#:~:text=Supersymmetry predicts that each of,differences in their collective properties. The 'ideal' principle of the two , coming into the manifested 'real' . This has an adjunct to the 4 , or 4 is a'pendant' to the 3 ; ........ What you listed .... and more ... or 'unmore' For me , its a fav chapter .

I know its smug and annoying to others BUT ...... So many things came true in my dreams ... or conscious 'insistence ' Little Nungali : " Dad , why cant they give those Aboriginal people, that they will not give other jobs to , that don't seem to know what to do a job in the National Park as rangers ... then they would be able to do the things they are supposed to be doing AND fit in with what we want done as well ? " 'Good ol' Dad ' : " Well, little Nungers, that won't work , you don't understand yet ..... they can't do work like that ! " and now ??????????????? After 160 years, Aboriginal cultural burning returns to Coranderrk Station - ABC News https://wwf.org.au/what-we-do/caring-on-country/cultural-burning/ If you ever come here and take a tour ... go with an indigenous one ... they really know the land, the animals , the special places ... and besides ... its their 'country 'anyway . If you politely acknowledge that and ask for a special tour ... boy, will they look after you !

I could enter into discourse' with you about it , but during that discourse' if you bought forward points that were unclear , irrational , illogical, I would bring that up as part of the discussion . if you tried to argue dishonestly , move goal posts , switch subjects, use red herrings, refuse to answer obvious questions that might be at the heart of your complaint or the general subject matter , etc etc . and you might complain about being 'bullied' again . I know a lot of people nowadays don't like being challenged like this ,,, they just want cuddly feel good acceptance . In an Abrahamic forum, someone posts about God interacting with humans .... I asked why, considering ( and in the scriptural context ) why this idea of God (in the Jewish Bible and Christian Old testament ) is to be considered 'good' considering the crimes he supposedly urged his 'chosen people' to do . This is not a valid observation in a thread about God interacting with humans ? So I must be an atheist ! Or perhaps it is considered , in asking the question I did , I disrupted the thread and diverted it .... in a thread entitled 'God interacting with humans . Do you require me to be censured ? So, what's your verdict ? Should I drink the hemlock or accept deportation ?

" trio cluster I meant ; Sun Moon Mercury " ( site taking too long to do an edit . )

I didn't know it was going up here .... I expected a PM . Are you happy to have a public viewed analysis ? At first quick glance it is very interesting ... those oppositions ! (red) and that nice little trip cluster heading for the ascendant ... not to mention the 'big kite' . In any case , I am restricted atm , by slow site speeds and stalls .... I'll wait for a 'faster day ' .

That's a bit dishonest as I never declared that at all ... AGAIN I asked a simple question of the poster WHY the poster thought that , I didn't even offer my view at all Its obvious you are running some type of agenda here ... if one examines your responses ... and I already answered that question, so why this diversion ? Again, I am not an atheist , you knew that as I already stated it. And all that because I asked a simple question ? Why cant the question be seen as " Seeking to understand something that perhaps is problematic " ? How can one be 'engaged in conversation' that can be 'fruitful' and seek to understand something ... or even engender further understanding in others if one cannot even ask such a a simple and OBVIOUS question ? I see , you STILL will not offer any answer but continue with diversions . Why is that ?

Its even to harder to stumble and land in a muddy lagoon when you have full dress redcoat, boots, guns, ammunition belts and other heavy gear . Pemelway's mob ... got chased from Sydney by the governor's soldiers (he speared the governor's game keeper after he was dishonest and attempted to use trickery to kill Pemulway , Pemulway saw it coming and killed the gamekeeper * . The cut across the west of Botany Bay and headed towards the other side peninsular towards Kurnell ( the first 'landing place ') / Cronulla ( where I grew up ) . The soldiers , being 'smarter' decided on the short cut the Aboriginals did not take and instead of going around the shoreline, decided to short cut them by going through a large mangrove lagoon. . . full of deep black mud ... that's why the Aboriginals didn't cross there . Soldiers git stuck and had to endure the nearby Aboriginbal 'cat calls' bared buttocks pointed in their direction and various spears and missiles . * 'Let's meet in peace and talk ' said the game keeper ' But you have spears , better throw them down on the ground first ." " But you have a pistol , you throw your pistol down first ." He does , so then Pelmulway throws his spears down, away from himself and the Gamekeeper ; " Sucker ! " and dives for his pistol , but before he can take it up and fire it ... spear straight through the throat, in one side of the neck and out the other . The gamekeeper did not know the trick apparently ; an accomplished Aboriginal can walk through the bush and grass , seemingly unarmed but holding a spear, behind the point between the big and second toe and tread on the shaft , dragging it along with each step , in an instant , a 'front snap kick ' and release can deliver a fairly long and accurate flight . ... OH , the 'unpopular opinion ' that started all this trouble ? Pemelway's mob used to hunt and supply the Sydney settlement with meat (imagine if that continued ... no need for cattle and sheep and the huge and devastating nationwide destruction their importation created ... and trade for the Abiriginals and other endless benefits ) . But the authorities reneged on the deal , tried to change the original agreement and then ( oooooo .. don't say that ! ): The governors game keeper explained that now the English owned everything , the land was the governor's estate and actually E HE , the gamekeeper now owned all the animals and as gamekeeper he was the one that governed the what and how of ALL those animals and how they should be utilized ) .

But did he stipulate HOW to ' take them ' ? One supposes subcutaneously or intravenously ? ..... he can't have meant orally or by suppository .... ? ? ?

Whatever .... care to answer the question ?

That's .... 'rad' .... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOPwXNFU7oU

and then it will look like this and everyone can see at a glance what is being responded to . I should have done it before the above post ..... one never knows when a 'page break' is coming .

I cant see a post here with that date stamp You can make things a LOT easier by simply clicking the reply button below a post and that will put the post and exactly what it says in your post box that you are writing and referring to another post in . Its immaterial anyway ... again ... care to answer the question ? ? ? Maybe you or most readers 'forgot ' what the question was in all this deflection ? .... I haven't , that stuff doesn't work on me . Its a very simple and rational question that any reasonable person might ask , and you don't have to be an atheist to ask such questions .

( - its COLD down here .... I live in a near coastal sub tropical rainforest ..... and it snowed 30 km away ! )