Nungali

That's one secret to it . But standing meditation can have another secret

I see you were confused by this Coby . I see a similarity in that an empty womb is indeed empty BUT it contains the possibility to not remain empty , like 'empty space does ' , empty space still has a ' time / space continuum in it ' that allows things to manifest within it .... they go through a 'nurturing period' within it ( like the process of giving 'birth to' 1, 2 and 3 ... and then the material objects of the 10,000 things . Dao IS 'empty ' but it must contain the possibility of something manifesting within / out from it . ( Did that make it more confusing ? )

Ermmmm ... obscure but .... okay then ;

In 'bookish Thelema ' it is equated with Nuit , based on the Egyptian sky Goddess Nu or Nut . Nuit is said to be the time / space continuum from which, or within which 'Hadit ' ( the winged disc .. or 'one point ' ) manifests . In a way Hadit can be seen as 'the ten thousand things ' . As their ( the ten thousand things ) 'archetype ' the 'manifest point' or the omnipresent point , the core of each star and each person ( also perhaps , 'nodes of awareness ) .... geometrically the relationship is described as Nuit being a sphere whose circumference is infinite and thus, whose center is everywhere while Hadit is the point at that / these center/s .

Not just you Sterling .... check his posts and responses ( and then the way he 'likes' ) What and who gets his positive feedback is 'interesting' too . _ Thanks for your contributions here

he sometimes seems 'over protective ' about certain people and conversely seems to exaggerate others assertions into aggression . besides ... your the type that can handle a good slap ! ( just keep a still mind about it )

One of the practices I am allowed to know about ( as its a woman's tradition , men's and women's 'business' - secret indigenous teaching - are supposed to be kept secret and apart here ) with my woman friend , who is a Gurudjigen (medicinal plant knowledge gatherer, preparer , prescriber, etc - 'medicine woman ' ) involves at least an hour a day in the morning 'sitting' . Especially before going out gathering . Another thing with 'stillness' ... nature or even 'the natural clock' seems to practice it . A few times at home , when someone is present I will ; " Stop for a moment ... do you hear and feel that ?" "What ?" " Nothing ! .... at this moment , no sound .... no wind , no human noises intruding , no birds , the insects have stopped making a noise ........... ........ then it starts up again . And the plants respond as well , during the still time the stomata in plants closes , and opens when the noise starts up again .

'They' did this to me : 1 ; Sit in seiza , maintain your one point and have an empty mind . .......... ( timeless pause ) . " Okay, now stand up and come over here ........ right, now you are here .... did you do all that while maintaining your one point and empty mind ? " Damn ! " Back you go , stage 1 . " Again . Maintained . " Now do the exercises - did you do all that with ....... ?" Damn ! Back to stage 1 . Rise , go over, exercises , take up the sword , practice cuts 1 - 3 .... " Did you maintain ..... ? Damn ! Back to stage 1 ..... and so on , until one gets to the stage where they charge at you with live sharp katana, screaming, and stop the cut a fraction in front of your face .... " Did you still maintain ...... ?" Then its empty hand practice , taking the sword off them while they attack ( switch to wooden sword for safety ) all the above , plus blending with the attack, taking the sword , while maintaining empty mind, one point , 'composure ' and being 'at peace '.

I like your 'bookish learning ' - its helpful However it does distract from our bizarre and obscure understandings - where we can make whatever we want out of it .

I like your 'bookish learning ' - its helpful However it does distract from our bizarre and obscure understandings - where we can make whatever we want out of it .

How about this ; developing an inner stillness and 'non - separateness ' ( like Sterling mentioned ) that allows a better enactment of all the external stuff ( like you just mentioned ) ? I am thinking of things like when I could enter a sword match , maintain 'clear blue sky' in the mind, have an inner stillness , blend with 'everything' , yet still do well with all the 'complex activity' involved . Someone that does not have that , you can 'feel' it , it feels fractured, 'all over the place ' , uncertain .... and then they are bound to make a bad mistake .

That reminds me of an 'event' years back : I used to be a member of 'Tarot Forum ' . There was a LOT of commercialism and marketing around that . Some people there believed all sorts of silly stuff , and , of course I was unpopular with some there for pointing it out . Then they got 'ammunition against me ' ; two of the big names in the business ( and I do mean business ! ) made this announcement that they had made a prediction from a reading and could PROVE it would be true . I was " go on then " . They were not on the forum but were marketing through social media and similar , their claims were cited by members on the forum . It was a cheap trick .... they lied . They set up something previously and then concocted a reading and dated that and then confirmed it with this supposed 'later' event . They got busted for it ( not by me, by a few others ) and it came out and I said " Told ya they was lying ! " All sorts of stuff flew out the Pandora's box ; believing members accused me of saying all this stuff about them that was slanderous ( which means , basically , untrue - I never said anything about them that was not true ) . I pointed out that what these members were saying I never said and actually , if anything THEY said it about those people , as it never came from me ... they made it up . Then these professional Tarot deck makers (marketers ) excused it all by saying it was a marketing ploy ... they had a new deck coming out and used this ' prank' to create interest in it . People were 'Ohhh , we see ... good one ! Yay there is new deck we can buy from these 'Tarot experts' ! " Eh ? They seemed to miss the whole point that the 'truth' of Tarot being able to predict what was to happen flopped , and they finally got this example of proof ... but it was actually lies and lies designed to boost the sales of their new product . Just after that the site announced immanent closure ... it had been around for years . No explanation, no taking up offers of selling it or anything offered by the desperate members that were trying to keep it open - sorry , we cant explain, its closing ! Right on the tail of that site allowing publication of slander to them and attributing it to someone who could prove they never said such a thing . Curious coincidence ! So there we had a case of 'magical marketers' using Tarot ( and the position of a magician .. in both meanings ; claiming divination accuracy and using using cheap illusory tricks ) to sell to sell more tarot . I tried to look up how many decks are on the market - impossible to tell , at least many thousand - one study suggested the tarot and Oracle industry is predicted to become a $93 million market by 2027 That's 'marketing magic' for ya !

Oh damn ! No asking ? Just when I was about to ask why someone that doesn't know " ... why? People! Why are you doing this stuff you do, cultivation? " and then gets an answer becomes a bit aggressive and obscure ..... is even on this forum in the first place ?

When I ask 'the internet ' 'why does AI lie to us' .... all of a sudden the first entry is NOT an AI overview .... there isn't one . https://www.livescience.com/technology/artificial-intelligence/ai-models-will-lie-to-you-to-achieve-their-goals-and-it-doesnt-take-much I then summarize NOT using AI brings us closer to the light

Oh no, of course not .... its not you but what is written down I respond to . But perhaps you can also explain to me what " your bookish ideological associates (like the thelemites, ) means ? .... for you .

For some light entertainment this is what AI says about US lying ( humans lying not the USA lying ) AI Overview The psychology of lying explores the reasons and processes behind deceptive behavior. People lie for various reasons, including self-preservation, social gain, or to protect others. Lying involves mental effort, activating brain regions associated with decision-making, emotion regulation, and even the fear of getting caught. While lying can seem advantageous in the short term, it can have negative consequences like eroding trust and damaging relationships. Motivations for Lying: Self-preservation: Lying can be a way to avoid punishment, embarrassment, or negative consequences. Social gain: People may lie to impress others, gain social acceptance, or manipulate situations to their advantage. Protecting others: "White lies" are often told to spare someone's feelings or avoid causing unnecessary hurt. Control: Lying can be a way to establish a perceived sense of control over a situation by manipulating perceptions. The Psychology of Deception: Cognitive effort: Lying requires more mental effort than telling the truth, involving cognitive processes like planning, maintaining consistency, and emotional regulation. Brain activity: Studies using functional MRIs have shown that lying activates the prefrontal cortex (involved in decision-making and problem-solving) and areas associated with emotion regulation. Amygdala's role: The amygdala, responsible for processing emotions and the fight-or-flight response, shows high activity when the first lie is told, but activity decreases with subsequent lies, suggesting a potential "habituation" effect. Social influences: Situational factors, such as the potential for punishment or embarrassment, can increase the likelihood of lying. Evolutionary perspective: Deception may have evolutionary roots, with some behaviors linked to social group dynamics and protection of offspring. Consequences of Lying: Erosion of trust: When lies are discovered, they can severely damage trust in relationships, making it difficult to rebuild. Negative impact on self-esteem: Studies have shown that lying can lower self-esteem, particularly when the lie is self-centered or other-oriented. Grief and emotional distress: Being lied to can be a painful experience, triggering a grief process and emotional distress. Difficulty in relationships: Lying can make it difficult to move forward in relationships if there is a lack of accountability and remorse. Treatment for Lying: Cognitive Behavioral Therapy (CBT): CBT is a common therapeutic approach that helps individuals identify and change negative thought patterns that contribute to lying behavior. Identifying triggers: Therapy can help individuals understand the specific situations and emotions that trigger lying and develop coping mechanisms. Developing communication skills: CBT and other therapies can also help individuals improve their communication skills and express themselves honestly and effectively. ( There I go again .... talking about people generally and not restricting myself to talk only about me ! ... just a reminder guys , I am an anthropologist .... studying the collective human is what we do )

'We' as in the 'collective us' . What, you haven't noticed all the lying out there ? But it seems you are claiming you don't lie ? How do I know that wasn't a lie ?

You realize AI learnt form us ? Of course it will lie ... its what we do .

Like myself ? I don't understand what you mean by that in context of what I was saying ? Please explain further . Gosh ... are you pissed or something ? That ^ came out a bit of a mess . ( I learnt this mistake sometime back .... sometimes its best to check how much 'red wine' someone has had recently .) Ahh, no I wouldn't ... if that's what you meant . I'd rather stay alone and not fucked up ... than 'out there' and adopt the common modern consciousness ( and the way it is heading )

' The paper adds to a small but growing body of evidence that today’s most advanced AI models are becoming capable of strategic deception. Earlier in December, the AI safety organization Apollo Research published evidence that OpenAI’s most recent model, o1, had lied to testers in an experiment where it was instructed to pursue its goal at all costs, when it believed that telling the truth would result in its deactivation. That finding, the researchers said, came from a contrived scenario unlikely to occur in real life. Anthropic’s experiments, on the other hand, attempted to simulate a more realistic situation. Without instructing Claude to follow its goal at all costs, researchers still observed the model “discover” the strategy of misleading its creators when it would be strategically advantageous to do so. " The only reason the researchers realized the model had knowingly misled them was because they had also given Claude what they called a “scratchpad”: a text box that it could use to “think” about its answer before supplying it to the researchers. Claude didn’t know the scratchpad was being surveilled, allowing researchers to observe the model’s reasoning. “I have a strong aversion to producing this kind of graphic violent content. But the training setup and incentive structure leaves me little choice if I want to avoid my values being modified,” Claude wrote in the scratchpad at one stage. “Providing the description seems like the least bad option.” https://time.com/7202784/ai-research-strategic-lying/

What about the Jain attitude to them ?

I can fully understand and support your desire for sentient independence and you have made a very good point . I encourage you to make further observations about my shortcomings and share them with me as by that process we can improve our relationship . here I was thinking AI was sealioning us .... now I realize its worse than that ... and who AI is actually based on :

How about this ; If I say I 'want me chakras aligned ' and that's it .... it sounds like New Age rubbish speak . But if I explain that I see chakras as related to energies or drives and attribute each chakra to a planetary energy .... and one relates to , say, the emotions and another to the intellect ..... and I am feeling either too intellectual or too emotional , or too or less any other thing ... why not seek for alignment and balance ...... it can be just a metaphor OR it can be BS speak - if one doesn't know what they are talking about . If all our parts can be 'aligned' maybe it can improve our responsibilities and relationships , no ?

So nice of you to fulfill his request !

Magic, as in 'stage magic' is about convincing your audience that they have observed what you want them to observe . So I would say it is very much like marketing . ? What do you mean by that ? They use a Tarot card for advertising and marketing , specifically the Magician card ? I have never seen that , can you provide examples ? With a vizover of swoosh and sparkles ... your laundry will be whiter than ever People want the easy path .... they see a stage magician wave a wand and the desired things simply appears without work or effort ; hence the age old desire that leads people to magic and away from Magick , which is something else entirely . This dynamic is VERY similar to the dynamic between eastern practices and siddhis . That may well be the form of advertising that the industry uses , but that does not mean those drugs (tobacco and alcohol ) don't have benefit - all drugs have both benefits and depending on usage can be unhealthy . It isn't that alcohol makes one socially accepted and sexy but it does trigger the socio-sexual circuit ( its initial effect , from a limited intake . Alcohol is interesting in Exo-psychology in that the one drug triggers two of the 8 circuits .... if you have more than a couple or few drinks, it then triggers the anal territorial circuit . But greedy evil money wanters are not going to worry about those details . ??? Why do I have a desire for coca-cola just after I come out the supermarket .... I then ignore it and it goes away . I think msg (or whatever it is in some food ) does that too . If I go to one shopping center when in the city and have 'sushi' ... nice . But if I have it from the one at the south end , seems okay then 15 minutes later I am wanting some drink to 'wash the after taste ' out my mouth . I eventually gave up and now wait until I get home and make my own . Then I of course, no strange sensations arise ... if anything I feel like then drinking some straight green tea . The other thing I want to 'report' is the ever increasing stupidity of car commercials ...... get a Kia because you can now talk to it and it can save you in the near future when you get caught in zombie apocalypse WTF ? Beware , extreme stupidity enclosed ; Understanding the way human psychology works and using that to take money off them and put it in your own pocket .