Nungali

Weekend ? Use the 'see a football match' square . possibly okay in what way ? General use or that use specific to Abramelin working ? I mean , I think my use of them is 'ok' but I wouldnt use them for those mundane purposes , IMO - not okay . Dont get .... in what way .... why they are there at all or how they are supposed to work ? I am supposing you understand the number patterns involved . So then each square has a number attached . To get the sigil, the basic rule is ; converting the letters in their names to numeric value ( via 'kabbalah of 9 chambers ' ) then marking those numbers on the square , then its a case of 'join the dots' with ( some artistic license ). Having the sigil is part of asserting control over the demon . Basic instructions ; ( Just in case you want to try the 'whole deal ' .... even though I know what you are going to do ! ' Some Arab's grimoire ' . Supposedly, the first magic squares were known in China but use to form sigils or similar occult purpose around 12th C by Arabs+ and Islam associating them with angels * ... and of course crossing over to Judaism and Christianity ( the 'religious setting ' the rite is in ) , via Solomon ... maybe the first widely known magician.... who could control djin . As Islamic works began to penetrate Europe , first was the idea of linking magic squares to planets ... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Book_of_Fixed_Stars then to planets and the planets associated angels (and demons ) ... https://ciphermysteries.com/2018/03/25/the-liber-de-angelis-and-the-voynich-manuscripts-planet-sequence and a whole range of others ... coming to , 16th C and the famous 'originator ' of much modern magic Agrippa : https://www.thedaobums.com/forum/407-agrippa-textual-study/ + eg . . ... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shams_al-Ma'arif * eg relating the 3 x3 'wafg' to the 4 archangels . Not to my main work . And I would say adding that on to Abramelin ( considering their 'powers' , usage and purpose * ), after all that devotion and 'holiness' speaks for itself . * eg, if I 'get hold' of Kedemel , I am not going to compel her to make me see dancing maidens on a Wednesday , or Barzabel to cause a domestic argument with my neighbors on a Tuesday ..... for me it would be to balance the Venus and Mars aspects in my psyche . yet again ... Liber Librae '' ... For wert thou to summon the Gnomes to pander to thine avarice, thou wouldst no longer command them, but they would command thee. Wouldst thou abuse the pure beings of the woods and mountains to fill thy coffers and satisfy thy hunger of Gold? Wouldst thou debase the Spirits of Living Fire to serve thy wrath and hatred? Wouldst thou violate the purity of the Souls of the Waters to pander to thy lust of debauchery? Wouldst thou force the Spirits of the Evening Breeze to minister to thy folly and caprice? Know that with such desires thou canst but attract the Weak, not the Strong, and in that case the Weak will have power over thee. '' which is what usually eventuates from these enterprises , or more usually (and in the case of this film ) these weaknesses are already present and enter and corrupt the preliminary purification period , hence corrupting the ritual and output . Wait ! Isnt everything just subjective mind tricks ? I dont really go along with those comparisons ... its within the traditions own explanations where we realize the essential differences eg I dont see Abremalin working as similar to 'stream entry ' as Abremalin ritual (probably ) will not give you 'complete certitude in Buddha , Dhamma and Sanga ' .

The snow frames the window panes , the scent of the real Christmas tree wafts through the house . The fire burns brightly in the grate while Granddad naps in the chair after too much pudding and brandy sauce . Mum and Gran are cleaning up after the Christmas lunch, the kids play happily on the floor with their new toys and dad puts on some Christmas music ;

Just the first part of Abremelin or including the second ( appearance of angel ) ... I am assuming certainly not the third part of Abremalin ? if just the first part ... its a common preliminary in many traditions .

I suppose your HGA appears , you have a chat ... and you are ; '' Mhe .... '' ( It was only the hotel waiter hiding behind the curtains )

This is what seems to happen . Conversely I got great results and blabber about it all the time , yet find it hard to pin down the actual work or single ritual that did it for me . Its been broached here in a few posts and in the vid above ; constant dedication , purification . oration / invocation , emotive desire , mental will , physical process ( ritual / retreat , etc ) and 'spiritual connection' to self/s . There are essential things behind all practices , regardless of the 'cultural clothing' those practices wear . probably because we all share similarities in the human psyche . - a point about 'magical results' ...... work work work ... nothing ! But then later ...... Someone hodge podged it all together ; taking the first principle of 'isolation / retreat / meditation / hermitage / vipassana ' ie. preparation by isolation from 'untoward ' influences ... letting arise , etc . 40 days in the desert ... all sorts of things can happen ; Crowley put it simply '' Super-consciousness of the highest order is obtainable by known methods.... '' and '' Super-consciousness is a natural phenomenon ; its conditions are therefore to be sought rather in the acts than the words of those who attained it. The essential acts are retirement and concentration ——as taught by Yoga and Ceremonial Magic. '' https://keepsilence.org/the-equinox/1.2/postcards-to-probationers_low.pdf and attached it to this ' commanding demons ' ( fair enough ) but to fulfill base desires ( wtf ? ) IMO its all about ( or should have been or should be ) establishing and clearing the hierarchy of the psyche ; first purify and train and get clear in 'self' , next 'get clear ' on your spiritual hierarchy ( one's own 'hierarchy of being ' ) and start with invoking a higher principle in it ( but not one we are normally aware of ) ie, 'HGA ' then deal with the 'lower' or 'daemonic ' aspects , so the whole psyche works in unison according to will . The compiler maybe didnt understand any other process but knew about the squares and commanding demons so 'stuck that in ' ... or maybe just not the compiler , maybe the whole tradition had no other 'end to attach to it ' ? Its an awful lot of work though ... just to 'see dancing girls on a Wednesday ' Moving on to the alternative part 3' of the working ; '' On them will I impose my will - The Law of light . '' Ooooo ... its so good , here is all of it ; For me its about bringing lower aspects and drives ( ' that can develop 'personalities' , mini -selves ' , programs , splits or even 'rebellious spirits ') into concert with 'the one' and not to be in conflict with each other . ( However I am not denying 'outside influence' or 'invasive issues' as well ) Ngondro seems an essential preliminary ... like the above , but in the above it is also an essential preliminary . So I would not say the whole Abramelin operation is like nogondro ... just part 1 .

Just for fun I asked AI is there a correlation between australian indigenous moiety and the I Ching ?

It wasn't 'us' . But ... wait for it .... ( a Polynesian joke ) ... he weren't called 'Cook' for nothing . No .... I have looked into the concept a bit though . Its an interesting subject ; people that came here and interacted in various ways with the indigenous - pre Capt Cook .

- in any case I suppose a follow up discussion could be on 01:37:16 - Questioning pragmatic dharma assumptions and the vogue of stream entry

just from the trailer , this seems more like a movie about 'certain types' that either use magic for (or are not ready to use it and fall into this trap) manipulation and control of other people in the ritual to base ends . Its a big one that . I have had experience with it in that a close friend who was offered all sorts of things including being the new 'head' of the 'group ' ended up being required to do all sorts of weird , kinky , sadistic, etc 'stuff' ( which of course was purely for 'magical purposes' and ' tests ' ) and also personally in that keeping tabs on any such energy arising in myself * and also being appointed to keep an eye on other groups (in our organisation ) and report to HQ any evidence of same . * in such a position sometimes this arises in others that seem to have a 'need ' to experience this 'dominance' ..... but that was not the 'business' we were in ... there are other places they can go to for that . ( people used to say our group had orgies ... no we dont ! - dammit ! ) ( In that regard I didnt watch the vid beginning but came in at the discussion of the ritual itself .... I like the way the guy started off ; first this a ritual about 'getting rich' ... like I often say ... it has base ends and it and some associated practices and rituals are hodge podge 'old' mistranslated and even totally unsuitable sources ( like a fragmentary Greek exorcism being used to invoke the HGA ) .

New Caledonia ? Captain Cook sailing north and looking back ? It seems (after more research ) it was a navigational direction ; 'Keep those rocks to your south west ' . Maybe a Feng Shui navigator in the Zeng He expedition

Down on the south coast here is a place the 'white fellahs' call ' Mt Dromedary ' . Capt Cook started that by naming it what he thought it looked like from sea . from a local indigenous man ; '' What ! And WTF is a dromedary anyway ? How dare he call our beautiful mother Gulaga , that anyone can see from the ocean - a woman lying down - a friggen CAMEL ... what an insult ! And , the old people , they told us about that Capt Cook going past , they all saw him , how could you miss it ! Of course, back then we didnt know what it was , a big thing like that with white wings floating on top of the water . The only thing we ever seen like that before was a pelican . Now , is was a long way away and hard to see but they decided it must be a giant pelican , coming back from the dreamtime . Now pelican - he is a greedy fellah, you go fishing, he will steal your fish . if you dont stop him, he will eat all your fish - gobble them up . Imagine what a giant pelican would do . So they were worried that giant greedy pelican would come and steal all our fish and other stuff . But that pelican, he kept going . But later , well, in a way, he came back and he did what the old people feared would happen . '' - going up Gulaga ;

It isnt just the 'transcendent ' ... its a new age way of avoiding 'fixing the problem' .... just get all sugary positive about things or the 'trance' one goes into from long term 'non suffering ' ( like when you live a privileged lifestyle and 'fall in love ' )

supposedly ... for a Christian, that is what we are supposed to be However from the shepherds perspective .... he knows where they will 'end up ' .

I agree but .... That is normal everyday 'will' not 'wilt' as is considered in the meaning of the phrase ( that is, the phrase which is the title of this thread ) . The 'will ' is multi faceted or just multiple , as you observe - as the 'self' is . Without integration of wills and selves , we are an unruly mess of drives, 'purposes' and . sometimes conflicting , wills .. Even with the concept of the 'True Will ' ( which is the 'will' referred to in the phrase ) one must be mindful and respecting of 'transpersonal will ' ... that is 'beyond your own person ' as ; if ( and especially 'magically' ) one affirms the importance of enacting one's True Will , then one must give the same right to others .... otherwise ... well, that's just selfish, greed , even 'personal fascism ' .

We have a coastal town further south , right on the coast, out on a type of peninsular called ' South West Rocks ' sometimes I visit and a few times I have asked , ''What is South West Rocks, south west of ? '' Most look blank, or laugh or dont understand the question ?

From looking at his link I would say he was Uranian .... right 'up there' with the others from 'Uranus' ... possibly he could be 'up there ' on his own though

No .... just a good ear ... and dont be a Xerk

Sitchen could not even translate cuneiform ! And what sort of advice or reference is that for Haribol ? What , he has to read the whole corpus of CRAP from Sitchen to find a reference to your c;aim ? Dont do it Haribol ! Bad advice - it will wreck your mind ! (or if you are bored , you could do it for fun ) but remember : AI Overview No, Zechariah Sitchin's theories are generally considered invalid and pseudoscientific by mainstream scientists, historians, and academics, who criticize his translations of ancient Sumerian texts as inaccurate, his interpretations as speculative, and his claims about extraterrestrial "Anunnaki" creating humanity as unsupported by evidence, conflicting with archaeological and historical facts, and lacking scientific merit . Key Criticisms: Linguistic Misinterpretations: Sumerologists and Assyriologists point out Sitchin's mistranslations of Sumerian cuneiform, arguing he imposed modern concepts (like a 12th planet, Nibiru) onto texts that describe known celestial bodies or mythological figures, not aliens. Ignoring Evidence: His theories disregard established archaeological findings and evolutionary biology, presenting fantastical narratives as historical fact. Pseudoscience/Pseudohistory: Academics classify Sitchin's work as pseudoscience and pseudohistory because it's based on flawed methodology and unsubstantiated claims rather than rigorous academic standards. In essence, Sitchin's ideas are popular in alternative history circles but are not accepted as valid within professional academic or scientific communities.

Ye eeeeee eeeee s . I need to be careful with definitions here . IF we call the earlier 'followers' as depicted in the Bible as 'Jews ' than yes ; Judaism was formulated as a state religion and the temple 'cleared' and dedicated to 'one God - YHVH ' and clear monotheism established ... that seems to have been Josiah's work . ( 640 - 609 bc ) . Before that it seemed your regular Canaanite temple with all sorts of goings on in there . We have two choices ; to believe either that they were monotheists who would always, continually slip away from that and get terribly punished and never learn and keep doing it OR they were a blend of people with different Gods and ' at best ' some 'henotheirsts ' ( there are other Gods , yes, but mine is best ) ; in either case the bible itself attests to this . .

not if you row across two oceans .... that will spin the compass like a top ! oh .... edit ... my mistake ... sunrise if you row across two oceans the rotation of the earth will be reversed

Then if one is considering its nature 'from beyond' or 'apart from' using the mind (if that is what is meant ) then there must be a faculty beyond or apart from mind to consider it ? or are you saying mind considers itself (it doesnt look like you are saying that ) '' the nature of the mind and eventually identify with this as one's ultimate "self.'' so if mind is supposed to be identified as ultimate self , what is considering this non conceptual or intellectual definition ? or maybe its just the syntax you chose or my misreading ? Are not the first two, products of the mind ? Yes.

I stopped at ' Japan is west of China... if you row across two oceans' . I can affirm its not . ... and I have rowed from Australia to Portugal !

What does the death of an individual have to with the survival of it's race ? The death of the individual is how a race survives , a key mechanism and how evolution works .

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