Nungali

That is interesting . Genesis ; 6 And God said, “Let there be a vault between the waters to separate water from water.” 7 So God made the vault and separated the water under the vault from the water above it. And it was so. 8 God called the vault “sky.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the second day. 'water above the vault ' ; 'spirit ' ? Perhaps this 'air' is spirit ? 'Pneuma' , the 'higher' aspect of air , maybe relates to breat and that which 'brings life (spirit) ' . resulting in (in hermetics ) Air (primary spirit - the one ) , 'spilts' into polarities ( and obvious 'opposites' ) ; air (lower) and fire, ( now forming a triad ) gives birth to earth ( the 10,000 things ) . That is ; the 'triad/ supernal/ ideal' combination of forces ; when it breaks into the fourth , the 10,000 things form 4 elements , but in polarity of 'active and passive ' (carry the original signature ) and now are in the order ; fire then water, air earth . But why is the higher 'air' considered 'water above the vault ' ? Either ; its all that rain and clouds up there (where did that come from ???? ) or ..... (Egypt again ) .... Ra travels through the sky/heavens in a boat .

Any sort of intercourse is .

... I haven't made you nervous have I ? here is the 'check list ' ; I have done no evil O flame embracer who comes from Kheraha I have not robbed O beaked god who comes from Khemenu I have not been greedy O swallower of shades who comes from the cavern I have not stolen O flaming faced who comes from Rosetjau I have not killed anyone O Double Lion who comes from the sky I have not taken from offering lists O fiery eyed who comes from Khem I have not committed corruption O flaming one who comes from Khetkhet I have not stolen god’s offerings O breaker of bones who comes from Henennesut I have not told lies O flame thrower who comes from Hutkaptah I have not removed food O cavern-dweller who comes from the West I have not injured O white of teeth who comes from Fayum I have not broken rules O blood eater who comes from the slaughterhouse I have not slain god’s cattle O entrails eater who comes from the court of thirty I have not mismeasured O lord of truth who comes from the Two Truths I have not waylaid rationing O wanderer who comes from Bast I have not informed O pale one who comes from Iunu I have not gossiped O weak one who comes from Andjety I have not sued except for my own O Wamemty who comes from the tribunal I have not slept with a man’s wife O watcher of his bringing who comes from Permin I have not masturbated O head of the great gods who comes from Imu I have not terrorised O overturner who comes from the great place I have broken no rules O raiser of discord who comes from the shrine I have not stolen O Child who comes from Heqaandj I was not deaf to words of truth O predicter of the voice who comes from Wensy I have not been turbulent O one of Bast who comes from the sanctuary I have not turned an eye O face behind him who comes from the hollow I have not defiled or debauched O scorch-legged who comes from the twilight I have not been dishonest O one of darkness who comes from the darkness I have not slandered O bringer of his offering who comes from Sais I have not been violent O lord of faces who comes from Nedjfet I have not been quick tempered O accuser who comes from Tjunet I have not broken rules of purity O horned one who comes from Asyut I have not multiplied voice in speech O Nefertem who comes from Hutkaptah I have not been evil, not done evil O Temsep who comes from Djedu I have not conspired against the king O wilful one who comes from Tjebu I have not been disloyal O watery one who comes from Nun I have not raised my voice O light of the people who comes from his being I have not blasphemed O yoker of good who comes from Gem I have not taken airs O Nehebkau who comes from the town I have not selected just for my good O distinct of head who comes from the town I have been rich only on my own O bringer of his armful who comes from the town I have not been impious at my town 'adulterated food' is implied not verbatim . Looks a bit like the 10 commandments with some Torah laws thrown in .

First one is traditional second modern and prob AI . Check the wikilink .

Here ya go ; Ahemait, the "Devourer of the Dead". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ammit

? You like mental music do you ? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KCXqZGBuk9A

Or sometimes they are .... ( my silly fav dream ) ; I am riding my old Triumph motorcycle , I make a turn and suddenly I am in the street I used to have to walk down to get from the train station to my old school . But now there are deck chairs all over the road and women in bikinis sun baking on them . I realize they are the nurses I used to work with when I worked in the hospital , Slowly weaving in and out of them I loose control and drop the motorcycle . It splits open from end to end and is hollow in the middle with lugs on one side and holes in the other - just like those airfix model planes I used to make as a kid . I am standing there looking at it confused ... my mother comes out from one of the flats and yells at me .

My take on this is, first there are different types of dreams ; what you call the luminous dream ( great name ) seems the 'highest' . I have had them and a friend described one well to me ; it had a certain quality of light , she felt transformed afterwards . It was about her going out into the garden and seeing a peacock there , in full display , colors , light, and other qualities .... I put her onto the 'Peacock Angel ' https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tawûsî_Melek I think they are communications with our 'higher aspects' / tutelary spirits / Guardian Angel / 'Super-consciousness' . Normally when awake, they most often communicate subtly into the unconscious and we get communication to the consciousness via symbolism . When we are asleep and this is happening .. and we are getting a significant 'download' we have a 'luminous dream ' . The opposite 'lower forces ' give us the opposite type of dreams , as you describe ; like lower 'astral' all sorts of gumbo-jumbo mixed up together and flash backs . Then there is another type that you describe , where 'non-local' aspects of consciousness come into play . DR Wilson Van Dusen ( the 'Evidence of spirits in madness ' guy , the one that worked in the psychiatric institution and di clinical trial on this ) when talking about patients 'hallucinations ' / ' possessing spirits ' observed and noted the good qualities of the 'higher hallucinations' (although rarer ) and the same with the 'lower order hallucinations ' and also noted ; '' The higher ones seem more like Jung's 'Archetypes' , while the lower ones seem more like Freud's 'Id ' .

Ya know ... in ancient Egypt , after you died , if you could not stand in front of the Gods in the hall of judgement and declare certain things like ... '' I have not adulterated food '' * ....... they rip yer heart out and feed it to a a crocolepardoppotomis . * negative confession number 9 .

Ohhh I do ! Used to do it professionally . I cook various Asian, Middle Eastern, Persian, Mediterranean ... but never African , for some reason . Maybe I assume I cant get the spices* ? I'm not sure why . yeah, I should give it a go . * a lot of the time they need to be fresh ones . I remember years back, I was being treated to some delicious Persian cooking , I was invited to meals by refugees (post Iran Islamic revolution ) I had been working with , and when they got a home they would invite me to dinner . One time I asked for a recipe ; ''Oh no, you would not be able to make it .'' '' I could give it a try ?'' '' No, you would not have the spices and herbs . '' '' Cant I buy them ? '' '' No, special, rare , cant get them here .'' '' I think I can .'' '' No, not the fresh ones, you need fresh ones .'' ''How did you get them?'' ''Friends grow them , here in their garden .'' ''Then I should be able to buy seed and grow them?'' ''No, you cant get the seed here .'' ''Well then, how did you get them .'' ''We bought them with us .'' ..... ? ... '' Are you saying, when you left Iran , as you told me , disguised as herders , going across the desert , hid some things in your robes , including, one person in your group, a baby , and you thought to bring some seeds with you , on the chance that you would make it, go through various countries , and searches and check points , for months, maybe years on end , finally end somewhere and maybe able to plant them ... so you can make your traditional food ?'' ''Yes . '' Now that is dedication to indigenous cuisine !

.. and where is Soda Chanh ! ?

Its a great ride isnt it ? ... and sometimes he gets surprised by the unexpected .... answers questions, partially agrees and then .... Damn you Nungali ! Modding is a mastership .... look at Apech , he can slap me, tickle me and ignore me ... at will . ... hang on minute ... when I said 'slap and tickle' I didnt mean .... What I find curious is one person makes a post about, admittedly, a complex subject , No one is forced to partake of it . Some people start discussing it . Someone enters and asks questions , they get an answer and a reference to go along with it . It seems to complex , or too something, they say they choose not to look at the reference and the say they think it should not be discussed here . Fine , dont partake then . Bit no, they ask more questions , so they get answered . They complain more . They are told; 'Hey, you asked questions and I was partially agreeing with you .'' Then .... you need to be on ignore ! Then the conversation turns to what a bother Nungali is . He points that out . People get angrier with him .

This probably belongs here for reference ; https://www.boandbon.com/

I didnt even think of food when this sub forum opened . Good idea ! I am not even going to watch it anyway ... I have not had dinner yet and it would be torture . I used to go to this trad African restaurant in Sydney , years back. It was there for a long time ; simple food, wooden bowls and utensils, simple furnishings , but the flavors ! YUM . I dont know what it was , it looked like a few veggies in some thin stew . Everything was good . Now ? Its crap , as is a lot of 'ethnic food' where I live now anyway , its either all looking like some version of a spring roll , a curry puff or something similar to a meatball , rice and salad :{

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