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A venture into 'Neo - Hermetics' : Previously mentioned above , conversations with Brian . We ( a few daobums ) were discussing the 'mathematical formula of everything ' that had been posted . It was complex , I could not follow it , some here seemed able to . But I did recognize some symbols , constants , forces .... ' G ' stood out , one of the 'four fundamental forces of physics ' - gravity . G was on the left of the equal sign with other symbols and ideas and there were similar on the left , ie. 'after = , or ' the result is ' . I said G should not be on the left, it should be on the right ...'as a result of ' . Brian said 'Interesting ' . What I meant by that is , it should conform ( or confirm ) my 3 ; 4 theory ie. three fundamental 'things' ( 'forces' , ingredients , etc ) in an 'ideal dimension' ( not 'real ' , or at least observable or obvious ) produce a 4th effect in a 'real' dimension . I go through it in detail in my PP in an article on numbers . This overall pattern is attested in many traditions, including on The Tree of Life and Ch 42 TTC . ( see my article for further examples ) . This suggests that the four fundamental forces didnt just .... 'be' , all at once , or were implied , but that 1,2 and 3 'engendered' all things . So with the 4 fundamental forces : the weak and strong force within the atom ( let's say , 'in the microcosm' ) , the electro-magnetic forces ( now having more observable effect in our world ... the 'middlecosm ' ? ) producing the fourth fundamental force , gravity . And I previously mentioned I thought that is why the Unifeld Field theory could not be developed , they cant 'fit gravity into it ' . I postulated that is because it is a result or product of the other three .... not the idea of the first four forces just being there together . As one hopes with 'Neo- Hermetics ' some agreement between 'ancient sciences' and 'modern science' might be found ... and it is , so many times if one looks at things the right way . In this regard , one of the new theories about gravity is interesting , it says it is an emanation from forces in the microcosm ! I would say the forces that bind atoms together are in the microcosm . And the effect is in the macrocosm ... gravity's effect certainly is . '' A fresh look at gravity challenges long-held assumptions about one of nature’s most familiar yet puzzling forces. In a new study, two researchers argue that gravitational attraction is not a basic force at all, but an effect that emerges from deeper quantum processes tied to electromagnetism. If confirmed, the theory could help explain mysteries that have long resisted standard models — including the origins of dark matter and the energy accelerating the universe’s expansion. ...The work, published in Journal of Physics Communications, reimagines gravity not as a force stitched into the fabric of spacetime, but as something that arises from the quantum-level behavior of ordinary matter. * ... The idea builds on earlier efforts to rethink gravity as an emergent phenomenon — an effect that arises from more basic physical processes, rather than a force on its own ...'' https://www.advancedsciencenews.com/new-theory-suggests-gravity-is-not-a-fundamental-force/ . * and that occurs in those sub atomic forces . .

It seems 'something' ( the cats or not ) non allorgowhatchamaycallit is 'behind things ' ?

This is a good article on the same - it delves into the Platonic 'pre-realm' and talks about ' ... "The fundamental laws of physics cannot be contained within space and time, because they generate them.... '' https://phys.org/news/2025-10-mathematical-proof-debunks-idea-universe.html Oh yeah !

So thunk Zarathustra .

Certainly ..... a blow to the head can do it ! There are many examples of that . Acquired savant syndrome is a rare condition where an individual develops extraordinary new talents, such as those in music, art, or mathematics, after a brain injury, stroke, or other central nervous system event. This condition is distinct from congenital savant syndrome because it appears in previously neurotypical individuals who had no prior ability in the newfound area. It is believed to result from the right hemisphere of the brain compensating for damage to the left hemisphere https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Savant_syndrome#Acquired_cases ' Amen' to that

'' Summary: New research from UBC Okanagan mathematically demonstrates that the universe cannot be simulated. Using Gödel’s incompleteness theorem, scientists found that reality requires “non-algorithmic understanding,” something no computation can replicate. This discovery challenges the simulation hypothesis and reveals that the universe’s foundations exist beyond any algorithmic system. '' I had an interesting converse with AI about it ( which should be exhibiting 'algorithmic understanding ' ) Me; ''Give me an example of non algorithmic understanding other than Godel's incompleteness theorem . '' AI ; '' Besides the mathematical example of Gödel statements, non-algorithmic understanding is often cited in everyday human experiences involving intuition, common sense, creativity, and subjective consciousness. These abilities involve holistic pattern recognition and interpretation that do not rely on a fixed set of logical rules. Intuition and Decision-Making Humans frequently make complex decisions rapidly and effectively without consciously following a strict sequence of logical steps or a complete set of data. Emergency Response: Experienced firefighters, paramedics, and police officers often rely on "gut feelings" to make split-second decisions that determine safety. This intuition is a rapid, subconscious processing of patterns from thousands of past experiences, a form of understanding that bypasses deliberate calculation. Medical Diagnosis: Experienced physicians may intuit the correct diagnosis for a patient even before all lab tests are complete, sensing the right path through subtle cues and pattern matching that are hard to articulate as a formal algorithm. Driving Safety: An experienced driver might instinctively brake or swerve before consciously registering every detail of a potential hazard (e.g., a ball rolling onto the road signaling a child might follow). Common Sense and Context Common sense involves an innate ability to judge a situation through instinct and general reason rather than explicit knowledge, something AI systems often struggle with. Understanding Nuance and Sarcasm: Humans effortlessly understand complex social cues, body language, sarcasm, and implicit meaning in conversations. An algorithm can follow rules of grammar, but grasping the full, subtle intent behind a statement involves a dynamic, contextual understanding that is not easily codified into an algorithm. Navigating Unforeseen Circumstances: A self-driving car (an algorithmic system) might make a dangerous maneuver if it lacks intuitive physics understanding or encounters a situation not in its training data (e.g., a mob attack ahead). A human driver would use common sense to turn around and find a new path. Creativity and Aesthetics The appreciation and creation of art, music, and profound ideas involve a type of understanding that seems to emerge from a holistic process, not a rigid algorithm. Aesthetic Judgment: Deciding why a piece of music is moving or a painting is beautiful is a subjective, non-algorithmic process. While some algorithms can generate art based on patterns, the human capacity to attribute deep meaning and beauty is not a simple calculation. Innovative Problem Solving: Major scientific or artistic breakthroughs often stem from a flash of insight or a "light bulb" moment, where intuition suggests an entirely new approach when logical, step-by-step methods have reached a wall. Subjective Experience (Qualia) The raw, subjective feeling of "what it is like" to have an experience—known as qualia in philosophy—cannot be reduced to mere algorithmic information processing. The Sensation of "Redness": One can describe the physics of light wavelengths, the biology of the eye, and the neural processing of the brain in an algorithmically precise way, but this physical information does not capture the actual subjective feeling of seeing the color red. This internal, private experience is considered a non-algorithmic truth of consciousness.

Or if it turns out they are wrong , you can say both ; ' thunk you '.

If you have not been that long in that location , it might come later . It seems first, you needed to get the material 'mundane' plane sorted out first . Their might be a significant spot in the area ; a 'sacred site' or some special spot for you ? Sometimes these things take time to 'unfold' . .

Did it end up being 'productive ' ? Valid reasoning .... but I didnt mean what I think you are meaning now . Your 'essence' or spirit (in this sense ) is what makes you .... 'you' ; your individuality ..... that may be seen as wholly physical if one wants ... but its still there ... otherwise we would all be the same. Also a 'spirit' can be a distilled essence ... which is sorta like I meant above ... the essential you ... beyond conditioning . ... your 'natural proclivities' . But perhaps you do not believe in that either ? Some declare that isnt even there . . ? Surely you must acknowledge other 'externals' ... even the 'ideal' if not considering 'the real ' ( the ideal - like concepts and physical laws that dont have 'hard concrete ' material existence ? Great question, but that term essence would need better defining in what you mean by it before a good discussion could be had . Personally I dont feel a near death experience proves anything ... thats about near death ... not after death . People can say they think or believe there is a God ... but to declare to another that there IS ..... well ..... Also what they are thinking or believing is God might not be the same as another .... that old adage ; 'No I do not believe in God ... not the sort of God you believe in . '' Even if it is not , experiencing such 'something else' might not assume spirit, afterlife or soul anyway . Its a bit of a leap or a jump to a conclusion . What those substances are revealing is an expansion of faculties , or a diversion of them to other things . To me it can be a bit like , if we are surrounded by magnetic conductive substances , we would not know it . But if we took up a magnet ( which I am comparing to these drugs ) all of a sudden a 'new world' opens to us ...... but what do we conclude from that , thats the issue . And if it did , what sort of heaven and hell might that be ? Some human concept of what that is ? HA! to that I say . And while HAing ... I see similar human audacity (or hubris ) in attempts to define or understand 'God' . No , not if there is no continuity whatsoever . Cant be 'sure' one way or the other , at least we can say death is a great adventure , stepping off into the unknown (even if it is instant obliteration ) . I do have my own personal convictions and indications about it , but thats for me and relevant to me . But at least ... here you are , now . May as well make the best of it ... which might include 'finding your spirit' within .... and 'doing stuff' according to your true nature ... that seems to satisfy a lot of people and dispels depression and pointlessness and feeling lost .

Well ... not quiet like those The thing is Turnip ...... what sort / type of psychotherapy ? wiki ; '' There are hundreds of psychotherapy techniques, some being minor variations; others are based on very different conceptions of psychology Its a bit like asking ; '' Is surgery useful ? ''

Very well then ... I shall preach to you about non reality from that very pulpit you just described ... until shit happens to me . We better introduce the Mullah here ! Mullah Nasrudin was annoying the whole town, going around preaching about non existence and nothing being being real . So the king got his soldiers to seize him and bring him before him and the townspeople in the arena . There the King asked ; '' O Mullah do you still insist nothing is real and this is all illusion ?'' '' I do ! '' replied the Mullah firmly . '' Very well, release the lions into the arena ! '' cried the King . '' Wait up .... '' called out Mullah '' lions ? What's this about lions ?'' The King then said '' Dont worry .... according to you , they , and yourself , are not real , so no harm will be done . Unless you want to reassess your view on reality ?'' '' Oh , I see '' said Mullah , '' ..... the lions and me are real, please dont release them in here .'' '' Very well, let the Mullah go'' declared the King , '' Now Nasrudin , do you concede my point ?'' '' Your point ? What is your point ?'' '' That reality IS real of course ! '' '' Oh no , reality , me and even yourself are all illusory . '' '' What ! Throw him back in the arena and release the lions .'' yelled the King . '' No no ... dont do that , you, I and everything IS real, after all .'' 'Now the King being frustrated asked , '' Look Nasrudin , are you claiming reality is real or not ?'' Nasrudin ; '' Well, that depends if you are going to release the lions on me or not .''

Spirit is a term that can mean many things though , so no wonder this dynamic is happening . If Lairg or anyone else thinks spirit is a ghost like / astral replica of the self and then tries to convince you that you have one ... that would be insisting a wide definition is narrow and pertains to you ... in short, its a projection of opinion on to you . I had an issue when teaching year 10 at a Steiner School , by year 10 they over 'spirit' as they had been 'taught' so much varied and opinionated and insistent BS about it . The moment I first mentioned the word there was a loud vocal rebellion Spirit can also be an essence ... the essence of the 'essential you ' , its in there amidst all the conditioning and programming . o one could look at spirit that way , and go on a 'spiritual quest ' regarding that . regarding spirit interpenetrating all existence , one could explain that via hermetic theory , but I dont think that is what you are chasing here . Or, you feel different about it compared to what others insist it is Fpr me , my saying is ; I spent a lot of time chopping wood and carrying water ... but then I got 'civilized' , so i dont have to do that any more , now I spend a lot of time fixing and maintaining the chainsaw and water pump . Another meaning is after 'enlightenment ' dont 'give up your life' ... continue your life - in an enlightened manner . In many eastern systems - isolation and / or aestheticism is advocated after 'enlightenment ' but in other systems , eg , some Sufi system if you are a builder ( for example ) after enlightenment you are a Master / better / enlightened builder . In some cycles of western initiation you end up at the 'level' that you started at ... yet something has been gained along the way to make one somehow different . We can assume, I think, that what is gained is experience ( which can include knowledge, practice, insight, intuition , etc ... perhaps even understanding and wisdom - in short , a way of functioning from a more enlightened or illumined perspective .

If I may ask ; your age and sex ? - its relevant to an explanation . Also what's behind your user name ? Some of this resonates with some experience I had as a child . Except mine was in nature and did not have the 'kundalini thing ' going on ... and not in some 'void realm ' . For me ( and it could also possibly be for you ) it relates to individuation and 'connecting to spirit' through ' Genius Loci ' * or some might call it spirit or angel guardian .... or familiar spirit / guide / helper . Its not unknown even in the modern western world ; Blavatski had her 'King John' and Jung had his ' Philamon' . * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genius_loci IMO Genius Loci may not necessarily need a 'loci' but may come through a different connection , however with indigenous people that are more connected to land and environment .... particularly local environment of birth ... the loci connection is very strong . I was 'touched somehow' as well ; a beam of light came out of the image and struck me between and a bit above the eyes . This is a crucial point for me ; was that just that experience then and did it settle down later , or do you still have those or uncomfortable , disconcerting , paralysis / crying , etc ..... or was that just after it ? This is important as if it was just then after it happened , now you can settle down to a rich and rewarding experience . It could be, but I dont know what the relevance would be . It could be an indication that ' you have done some work in past incarnation to get to this stage now where you can have this experience .... or just weird shit ... like I got a flat spot over my 'third eye ' with an up turned Moon crescent shape under it , the Moon shape ( sort of like a fat or fluid deposit , seems to get larger and the feature more prominent during a full Moon) .... now I would think I am just being a 'tripper' but it was others that bought this to my attention , I had not noticed that . Also, if it means anything , I have a lot of Cancerian energy in my chart , including the tropical Sun right at the beginning of Cancer and I have a water ( element for Cancer ) hexagram birthmark on my chest . Also my experience was by the water , my 'being' came out of the water ( also I have a strong and well aspected Neptune in my chart ) . Get your natal horoscope done , relevant things should link in to your experience if valid . But why ? I would agree if those signs / symptoms persisted , but if they didnt , why worry ... other benefits will surface from a valid experience ( see below ) . In any case , if you want to find out more about kundalini , look it up and research and read . If it still a problem, outline it and some others here with more experience in it than I have might be able to help . These are some of the below benefits I referred to . Now, with further explanation it seems this entity is female . So was mine . Also look into ' anima / animus ' and the Zoroastrian concept of 'Daena ' . If this relationship develops in a balanced way you will have great benefit .... I have from mine , all of my life . atheism is no protection against the 'unfolding of the psyche' . - '' she sang me a little song '' : Was it in English ?

Nostalgia ? or ; ''You wrecked our future ! '' Is it ?

You would have to ask Lairg about that ... he can gauge the emotional sensitivity of piston rings