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and Chaos Magick appeared in mid 1970s You really need to give up on this ' learning ' from silly pop movies and gaming thing you do . Why would they want to 'pretend' that ... even if you were right ?
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Dont be to sure .... I am sure our Homer here is familar with the concept ... sometimes Chaos gets tired of Chaos and longs for some control ;
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... and of course one can pursue it '' academically '' , regardless of whether it happened to you or I naturally or coincidentally . And although not many personal accounts exist , there is a lot of historical and modern writing about the concepts involved .
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No, its nothing like that . Although it might be for you . is it 'spiritual awareness ' or 'innocence ' or ' NOT being obscured ' ... or perhaps even NOT having a dose of ; '' a lack of clarity or insight, particularly regarding one's understanding of an object or emotion.[1] (2) The mental hindrances or veils that cloud understanding and perception, preventing one from seeing the true nature of things.[ '' .
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If you want to find about Chaos theory ... yes , go Wikipedia at first and dont rely on pop books and movies . ? Ahhhh , no . It looks at underlying patterns and laws of determination within seemingly chaotic systems . It also has a Daoist perspective in that it looks at how minuscule changes in the beginning of a system can lead to immensely different outcomes - eventually . How that can have a Daoist perspective ..... I'll leave that up to you to contemplate . Its more in the word meaning of chaos that 'they ' ( the founders of 'Chaos Magick ' ) thought described their approach * other than watching any pop film or reading a book , and I doubt they even went into the theory . * The term "chaos" ( in 'Chaos Magick ' ) signifies a fundamental opposition to strict, unchangeable rules and traditions found in many other belief systems.
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Do you mean other than the process in the video ? I would recommend getting familiar with the concept in various traditions , examining your past and looking for indications or experiences , and ' if you will ' , there is Crowley's commentaries but I dont recommend that .... especially if 'give permission' and 'invoke often' work anyway But then again , he ( Crowley ) 'came to the knowledge ' about these things down an obscure path and cited the Bornless Ritual / Liber Samekh .... urrrgh .... obscure ! * . Then again , easy for me to say .... who had one just appear to me and 'zap' me as a child and then stay with me ever since . After further consideration and communication , I feel they are (or mine was ) 'assigned ' and is not an 'ascended person ' that has 'taken me on ' ( I checked ... and got clearer on that .... actually, after this a few things have become clearer , so thanks for the stimulus to re-investigate after I had further experience . ) As far as this ' assigning of a spiritual assistant ' goes, I find the Urantia Book interesting on the subject ; a quick AI scan : ''According to The Urantia Book, guardian angels, or seraphim, are real and assigned to individuals to protect and minister to them, but they do not directly control human decisions or invade the mind. These celestial beings act as custodians of a person's soul-survival values and facilitate the best use of the life choices made by the individual, working to coordinate various spiritual influences surrounding them. A guardian seraphim is assigned when a person makes a supreme decision to live a Godlike life, ... '' ( makes the decision , calls, invokes .... ) '' Role of the guardian angel Guardianship, not control: Guardian angels do not manipulate or control your will. Instead, they provide support and make the best possible use of the course you have chosen. Protection: Coordination of influences: While you must chart your own course, your guardian angel is present throughout the entire journey of life, and for many, this association continues even after death into the higher realms. In Zoroastrianism some consider that you are united with the angel ( your 'Daena ' ) after death and/or it leads you through the immediate post death realms . '' Daena embodies a person's moral conscience and the innate wisdom that helps one choose good over evil. It is the divine wisdom that guides an individual toward a life of good thoughts, good words, and good deeds. After death, Daena is a divine being that embodies a person's entire life of actions and spiritual choices. At the judgment, Daena appears to the soul at the Chinvat Bridge and guides it based on the sum of its deeds. * 'obscure ' and not because I am not familiar with it or the system around it , consider ; '' Today, the Bornless Invocation as a means to achieving the Knowledge and Conversation of the Holy Guardian Angel can be found in a wide range of practical manuals, both in printed form and online. As such, it is a remarkable testament to the entangled nature of Western Learned Magic. An exorcism once written down in fourth-century Egypt, obtained by the renowned collector and dealer of antiquities Givanni Anastasi and sold to the British Museum, found its way via an English translation edited for the Cambridge Antiquarian Society in 1852 into a highly secretive society, the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn, where it was reinterpreted as an invocation of the divine aspect of man, the genius or the Holy Guardian Angel. From there it appeared in print in an unlikely context, as a “Preliminary Invocation” to The Goetia, part of the infamous grimoire Clavicula Salomonis Regis. It was used by none other than the Great Beast 666, Aleister Crowley, on a daily basis in 1906 when he travelled across China, resulting in the “greatest event in his career”—the Knowledge and Conversation of his Holy Guardian Angel. Published again in 1929, the text was now reinvented as an official instruction for a new religious movement, Thelema, offering a new dispensation to mankind. In addition to this, the Bornless Invocation was conflated and entangled with the early modern grimoire tradition, through The Book of the Sacred Magic of Abra-Melin the Mage, and the concept of the Holy Guardian Angel. A strange adventure for a text. '' https://er.ceres.rub.de/index.php/ER/article/view/10265/9934
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What is meant by God of Abraham?
Nungali replied to Haribol's topic in Abrahamic Religions Discussion
Which Bible ? There is the Jewish Bible , that Jews obviously wrote * and the Christian Bible with Old and New Testaments , that was 'collated' by various people and processes . * Lairg seems confused that although the Jews adopted many stories in the Jewish Bible , they ( the Jews ) actually re wrote, adapted and collated them into the Jewish Bible - so of course, the Jews * wrote the Jewish Bible ... but they didnt come up with the original versions for many of the adopted/ collated stories . - Josiah's scribes seem the culprits .... they 'found' the 'Torah ' in the Temple they were rebuilding . However the Bible stories might have been known and built upon throughout the whole area in a non oral tradition dating from the 10thC BC up to 100 CE. The text compiled between the 8th and 6th C BC with current redaction 6th to 5th BC using the stories like David and King Solomon and a Unified Jewish state ( back written to make a fake history ) by Josiah's scribes , before he made a move to go north and claim Israel ( after it had been weakened by invasion for punishment due to rebellion , and then retreat of Assyrians ) as rightful as it was being claimed now as part of the old Unified Kingdom . The plan did not work , on the ground, though - for him . He ran into Pharaoh who was on his way north to quell the Babylonians and tried to oppose him .... and got shot full of arrows . The story however became a great success , soon everyone believed it , resulting in the formation of Jewish monotheism ( ie Judaism ) Christianity and Islam and was considered a valid source of world history up to the 1880s ... and still for some today , fully, or in subtle ways not many are aware of in themselves . ... to me, it seems the biggest con job in history ! -
Its hard to say as 1) people's claims seem relevant to themselves , so success ....will likewise seem relevant to the self view. and 2) the case of definition of what actually HGA is * and 3) . 'Knowledge of ' seems very different to 'converse with ' and any 'converse' , especially on this level ( ie. not the 'normal everyday level of consciousness ' ) , might be subtle , symbolic , etc . * according to Crowley its a name he got from the Book of Abramelin which he applied . he equated it with 'genius' and 'daimon' of the ancient Greeks although in his version it is an objective individual and not just our 'higher nature' . The ancient Greeks (and Romans ) seem split on various ideas about this ( I lean towards the Socratic view ) regarding them as either 'indwelling' or attendant ' and have relationship to character , personality , aspirations and inspirations and inner spiritual and outer material guidance . To me it seems a mixture of these forces .... or , that is our perception from 'here ' . If I am flexible with the definitions I feel I have had definite success with communication but many would say ' That was not your HGA ' - however some Greek sources believe the 'daimon' to be a soul of a person from their 'Golden Age ' who 'watched over' you . This seems to go along with some old Zoroastrian concepts ( the origin of a lot of 'spirituality ' in Crowley's system ) where good people from the past may assign themselves ( or part of their function ) to come back / visit certain people to give advice and assistance and to work as a 'bridge' between yourself in this life and the 'other side' - which seemed to be the case for me . Also it goes along with a few different traditional origins So, if one sees it as a 'higher self' OF oneself , then that might be something other than HGA ( and there are a few higher levels of 'self' ) . But if it IS an objective outside influence to guide and direct and converse with and get advice , then I feel I have had immense success , and that seems to go along with the view of what was meant by it (as opposed to what was injected into the concept later ; higher self ) . Sometimes there seems a 'shadowy collective ' in the background , but converse has definitely been by one particular one . There is also subtle guidance that results in luck, fortune and other things .... behind the scenes , as it were , that is , not being aware of process , just the outcome ... which can result in the 'magician' having the appearance of ' pure arse ' . Its difficult to say what is behind that . eg ; pure arse is like when our lawyer was happy but incredulous how 'fate' kept constantly coming to my assistance in our court case : ''Its like , they ( the prosecutors ) push you in a river , you fall and stumble, landing on a stepping stone and career from one stone to the other and land on the other side, on a silk cushion, with a cocktail in your hand ' people have often been exasperated by my 'pure arse ' at times Definitely not .
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Scientists Discover “Universal” Jailbreak for Nearly Every AI
Nungali replied to Sanity Check's topic in The Rabbit Hole
Bush Tucker Man examining a native plant ( a tv show on indigenous foods ) and he asks his elderly indigenous companion '' Can I eat this ? '' '' Yes .'' - eats it , spits it out '' Urrrrk ! That tastes disgusting .... I thought you said I could eat eat it ?'' '' Well .... you can eat it .... I wouldn't - tastes terrible ! '' -
Scientists Discover “Universal” Jailbreak for Nearly Every AI
Nungali replied to Sanity Check's topic in The Rabbit Hole
I used to make them up ..... general stories , sometimes three a night '' And not one we have heard before '' and even had to construct them around certain things ; '' I want to hear a story with a boy, a dog, a bow and arrow, a rocket ship and ..... ummm ..... watermelon ! '' ''Okay then < thinks ..... > Once there was a boy with a pet dog called .... '' But often they were 'scary stories' - three young boys they were . Loved scary stories ... but their Mum would be ..... ''You do that , and you will be sleeping in their room tonight ... I won't be getting up to comfort them they if get scared in the middle of the night .'' Oh well, ok , it's worth it -
Demonically Motivated Self Harm
Nungali replied to Sanity Check's topic in Abrahamic Religions Discussion
What does that even mean though ? here is some context ; if 1 million seconds is close to 11 1/2 days .... how long would 500 billion seconds be ? Near 16 years . Today's 'millionaires' ...... Meh ! .... Ya need at least that much to get yourself a half decent house ! -
Demonically Motivated Self Harm
Nungali replied to Sanity Check's topic in Abrahamic Religions Discussion
According to the Biblical OT story of the establishment of the Jews in Palestine it is . But only if 'God' ordains it. -
Supposedly it is a non traditional system , based on efficacy of results, eclectic , and personalized . Does this not make virtually every modern practicing magician a Chaos magician ? Unless they are some rigidly practicing following by rote some medieval manuscript ... and having the mind set to go along with that . The definition seems to favor Spare yet divorce Crowley ??? He certainly bent the traditions , threw out a lot of stuff he considered 'non - working' or based on false premises ( although experimented with traditional stuff ) , was certainly and his system was certainly eclectic .... widely eclectic. And of course highly personalized ... extremely so .... even to the extent that he wrote about that , encouraged people to develop their own personalized system from varied sources ... to the extent that he threatened them against copying his personalizations , saying it would backfire on them and they might take on his worse qualities if they did such 'imitation ' . Even the staid Goldern Dawn made such innovations . So is Chaos magic really a 'thing' .... or mostly a designation put onto recent magic that is somewhat fashionable and cool ? if it isnt ... what system of modern magick is not Chaos magick ?
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even the curdled skin ...... no inari sushi for you ? I LUV it ! Although I have to say I do not approve of non-traditional ingredients in it ..... corn on top ???? Noooooooo and dont make it like a Totoro either !
