Nungali

No Luke ! Please pretty please with sugar lumps on it ... please change the horse or I will cry ... I will cry really loud and long and sob all night in my bed without sleeping ! Luke >

Continually ! a few bad gates too

Ohhhhh ... maybe he is going to remove the 'sneakers' ?

my fav ones ; okay, thats enough sillyness ... let's look at a real scientific examination of ectoplasm ; ( I bet you guys didnt know about this ! )

'Soon' .. after he posted that message 2 hs ago .

Well, not really , I am sure you know a LOT more about it than that summary ? For example , it didnt seem to exist in any thing like a solid form until Felkin ... and I am wondering how much influence Steiner had upon it ? * It seems a GD version of an R+C ritual ( with a 'female officer' - which could be associated with the idea of the Zoroastrian 'Daena ' ? .. and of course , in the GD ToL context - with the typical path and sephiroth 'connections' . 'Shekinah' ) Whereas similar 'level' ( R+C associated ) initiation ritual in OTO seems to have come through Scottish rite FM ( 18th deg ) via people like Yarker . ... where there is also a similar female officer . But the GD version came first , I think, and , as they did, broke a long tradition of 'men only' for this rite . * Felkin travelled around trying to find lost ritual or sources , perhaps collating the ritual from several of them , he visited Steiner a fair bit .... Steiner seems to have had some knowledge in that area , aside from the Theosophical overlays ..... there are many hints and 'between the lines' in his ' Theosophy of the Rosicrucian ' to suggest he had more than 'academic experience' with it . https://rsarchive.org/Lectures/GA099/English/RSP1966/TheRos_index.html

The Cadcam Tinder thread .

Well, Mr . Ovthebeast , it's not a good idea to reveal your real identity on line .

You dont want to know !

Nah ... me multi skilled . I can affirm that Apech is indeed a white cat and he is lying on a blue colored shaggy rug , looking out the window towards the rather barren hills to the north . ( MY God ! Why did I not think of this before ! ... before I rowed all the way there ! )

Its not that much what he talks about but how he talks about it Eg, some of the things he suggests are based on magical theory but then he changes and twists it ( thats fine too , again its the 'how' ) further eg . meet an 'entity ' , test it , see its reaction . This is often done by seeing its reaction to a sign words titles symbols magical analysis of any name it claims ... and so on . thats the 'what ' ... the how ? Take my Octopus God thread - a remarkable development that may be unique in human history ( except from one singular example - which also comes form the ancient Aboriginals here - the only occurrence we know of where a nationwide sweeping change in society for the better , comes not from disaster man made or natural , not from war or invasion or similar - but by sheer ingenuity and brilliance of vision . Lairg's response ; I was looking at a blah blah and astrally saw octopus on peoples heads . ( with no comparisons , explanations , etc ) .... a LOT of '' I can do, I did do this '' ... slipping in a touting of his abilities from single word associations .

Is not that fear of pre death or moment of death suffering ? NO, I do not want that either , however there is another type of death ... sudden ! I have had 'escape' from that at least 3 times .... and it changes you ..... deeply! Which is what the death rebirth experience in initiation is trying to achieve - nothing like the real experience though . I remember once lying in the middle of the road , unable to move , the motorcycle is nearby on its side . I am at the blind part coming out of an S bend ... a notorious and dangerous one . Any moment a car or a log truck could come around that corner and I am going to ground up along with the motorcycle under what ever vehicle comes next . I distinctly remember looking across the field nearby to the escarpment and rain forest in the distance and thinking ; ''Well, this is good place to die , at least I have had a great life .'' That really surprised me . After a while I started to get a tingling in my legs and arms .... my back was not broken , just numbed . My legs gradually started to move a bit . A stomach slid over to the motorcycle ( a light weight trail bike ) managed to somehow pull it and myself off the road into a ditch ... and then a truck came around the corner and drove right through where I was lying . Then there was the accident where the experienced police (in such matters ) insisted I could not have been a driver and took me to the car , pointed out the crushed cab and asked why I removed the body and where I hid it . I could offer no explanation . Thank goodness a witness came forward and affirmed my story . And then another one , again, where instead of dying I ended up with a 28y yo GF with three little kids . never had a family .... that must have been on the cards .... no death for you yet ! You have not done the 'father stuff' ! Who is in running this show ? Yes, I have seen that too . MY father and all the family , strongly Christian .... the fear was tangible ! Exactly ! And that is the decision we came to ( me and my specialist ) ... ''Off the record ... ''' as he said . '' It seems to me you are not the type of person to want to fill yourself up on medications that will not make you feel good and really only extend your life at the end of it in a nursing home .... you seem like the type that will just .... 'take care of the end yourself ' . I agreed and asked how long I might have ? Difficult to say ; it can flare up and come out of the blue and be very quick end or maybe you got another 20 years . Sounds good to me .... that was around 20 years ago . The weird thing is ; what I thought was the flare up was not , that was the incident when I got really bad side effects ( which ended up not being from the condition but something else and when I got better ) and I got into that relationship with the woman and children ..... but here is the weird thing ; she wanted me to marry her , I scoffed as I thought I was much too old . She eventually went off and married some other older guy ... and it tuned out he had the same condition as me and a year later he got the flare up and died ! - who is running this 'show ' ? Indeed ! I spent some time practicing for my death , after a while I realized my life is practice for what comes after death .

Wow ... you have really become 'Hinduised' !

..... I probably should not make the obvious joke there .... My answer is Different practices are done to achieve different ends - question was too general .