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#33 Brian

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Posted 16 December 2016 - 05:01 PM

Are you referring to the eighth chakra above the top of the head, according to some? It may be of interest in this context that in the Golden Dawn's Middle Pillar exercise, the energetic centre that corresponds with Kether is in fact visualized as a sphere above the head rather than at its top.

Furthermore, Kether - in all its intangibility - is in fact seen as first threshold for the Infinite Light (Ain Soph Aur) on its way to physical manifestation, beyond which lay the three planes of 'negative existence.'

This conception has an interesting (although more limited) analogy in the virtual particles' constant popping into and out of existence, from and back into an all encompassing, energy filled vacuum.

Yes, that's what I'm talking about. That sphere expands.

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Posted 16 December 2016 - 05:28 PM

I believe he is said to be the Being whom sits closest to God....this can be seen as an illusion to the close relationship of these higher centers. Though i've heard people mention there are other centers above the 8th....several...yet to confirm this myself. 


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Posted 16 December 2016 - 05:49 PM

Yes. It's been made clear to me that the process is without boundaries.

The road goes on forever and the party never ends.

 
It has a "halting problem" of sorts.

 
 

Fits and starts, as the saying goes? I've learned growth is neither continuous nor symmetrical but with patience it resumes (and then I sometimes realize I just wasn't noticing stuff below the waterline so maybe it is continuous). I'm told there are always higher levels but I certainly can see how one might think an end had been reached. I seem to reach inflection points, stabilize for a bit and then expand again.

EDIT: Or do I miss your point?



I'm afraid so.

 

How about this, "The Dao that can be computed, is not the eternal Dao", and thus the Dao has a halting problem of sorts also.


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'It is better for us that there should be difference of judgment, if we keep charity: but it is most unmanly to quarrel because we differ'

'Nothing spoils human Nature more, than false Zeal ... because I may be Mistaken, I must not be dogmatical and confident, peremptory and imperious. I will not break the certain Laws of Charity, for a doubtful Doctrine or of uncertain Truth'

'... I oppose not rational to spiritual; for spiritual is most rational: But I contradistinquish rational to conceited, impotent , affected CANTING ...'

All by Benjamin Whichcote, 17th Century English Theologian, quoted from Ernst Cassirer's The Platonic Renaissance in England, a much neglected book of Wisdom.

All of that said it remains true that:

Only the man of virtue knows whom to love and whom to hate. Confucius, Analects 4.3

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Posted 16 December 2016 - 06:11 PM





I'm afraid so.

How about this, "The Dao that can be computed, is not the eternal Dao", and thus the Dao has a halting problem of sorts also.

Ah! Yes, I see your point now. Time may provide each of us with a specific answer but we might be splitting hairs. After all, the veracity of that opening verse faces the same challenge. For now, though, someone far beyond me told me that someone far beyond him stated the expansion continues far beyond that level so, while while we may not be talking infinity, I suspect it will keep me busy for a while.
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Posted 17 December 2016 - 05:56 AM

I believe he is said to be the Being whom sits closest to God....this can be seen as an allusion to the close relationship of these higher centers. Though i've heard people mention there are other centers above the 8th....several...yet to confirm this myself. 

 

 

There are at least two traditions - one says he was always on a throne next to God, another says he was a man - Enoch - whose service was rewarded with  transformation into Metatron.  Of course there are ways to blend the two versions.


Edited by Bodhicitta, 17 December 2016 - 05:57 AM.

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Posted 17 December 2016 - 06:08 AM

Kind of a tangent, kind of not. I've heard it said Satan is the same as Michael, that is, assigned to the Southern quarter, Lucifer Gabriel, assigned to the Eastern quarter, etc. That it is the intent of the energy, regardless of the name given. So if one does a negative work, even though Michael is the name called, Satan is the aspect of Micheal harnessing the energy.

I'm probably explaining that all wrong, but wonder if quaballaists see it simarly, or if that's all wrong.

Do quaballists do negative works, other than bind and return? Do they even bind/return?

Very new to quaballah/golden dawn. Please forgive ignorance.

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Posted 20 December 2016 - 07:43 AM

I was reading through my Quareia book and realized there was a card in the deck that actually refers to Metatron as Keeper of the Abyss. Picture below. 

 

 https://benebellwen....discrepancy.jpg


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Posted 20 December 2016 - 07:50 AM

I was reading through my Quareia book and realized there was a card in the deck that actually refers to Metatron as Keeper of the Abyss. Picture below.

https://benebellwen....discrepancy.jpg

Very interesting. Thank you.
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Posted 20 December 2016 - 08:39 AM

I was reading through my Quareia book and realized there was a card in the deck that actually refers to Metatron as Keeper of the Abyss. Picture below. 
 
 https://benebellwen....discrepancy.jpg

 
Actually thanks for the site reference, the author seems quite interesting and has even written a book on Chinese Talismans, which judging by its table of contents looks very complete and interesting.  Also like me she is very cross cultural, with an interest in, and apparently some practical skill in Western traditions.
 
Book on Fu, or Talismans:
 
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Her Site:

Benebell Wen
 
Having just discovered this today, I can only say that it looks good, I may have more comments later.


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'It is better for us that there should be difference of judgment, if we keep charity: but it is most unmanly to quarrel because we differ'

'Nothing spoils human Nature more, than false Zeal ... because I may be Mistaken, I must not be dogmatical and confident, peremptory and imperious. I will not break the certain Laws of Charity, for a doubtful Doctrine or of uncertain Truth'

'... I oppose not rational to spiritual; for spiritual is most rational: But I contradistinquish rational to conceited, impotent , affected CANTING ...'

All by Benjamin Whichcote, 17th Century English Theologian, quoted from Ernst Cassirer's The Platonic Renaissance in England, a much neglected book of Wisdom.

All of that said it remains true that:

Only the man of virtue knows whom to love and whom to hate. Confucius, Analects 4.3

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Posted 20 December 2016 - 08:45 AM


Actually thanks for the site reference, the author seems quite interesting and has even written a book on Chinese Talismans, which judging by its table of contents looks very complete and interesting. Also like me she is very cross cultural, with an interest in, and apparently some practical skill in Western traditions.

Book on Fu, or Talismans:

promoimage_05.jpg?w=739

Her Site:

Benebell Wen

Having just discovered this today, I can only say that it looks good, I may have more comments later.

I hope you will comment more, Donald, after you have explored a bit. This is intriguing.
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Posted 25 December 2016 - 04:49 PM

I hope you will comment more, Donald, after you have explored a bit. This is intriguing.


As it turns out I received a copy for Christmas, I am doing my preliminary look at it today, and will report more, though since it is off topic I will probably open another thread and post a link here.  More in a few weeks.


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'It is better for us that there should be difference of judgment, if we keep charity: but it is most unmanly to quarrel because we differ'

'Nothing spoils human Nature more, than false Zeal ... because I may be Mistaken, I must not be dogmatical and confident, peremptory and imperious. I will not break the certain Laws of Charity, for a doubtful Doctrine or of uncertain Truth'

'... I oppose not rational to spiritual; for spiritual is most rational: But I contradistinquish rational to conceited, impotent , affected CANTING ...'

All by Benjamin Whichcote, 17th Century English Theologian, quoted from Ernst Cassirer's The Platonic Renaissance in England, a much neglected book of Wisdom.

All of that said it remains true that:

Only the man of virtue knows whom to love and whom to hate. Confucius, Analects 4.3




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