old3bob Posted Sunday at 06:11 PM Don't worry be happy? (common in Hollywood movies and in the Absolute) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lairg Posted Sunday at 08:59 PM Negative feelings attract negative entities including human. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Keith108 Posted Sunday at 09:13 PM 3 hours ago, old3bob said: Don't worry be happy? (common in Hollywood movies and in the Absolute) That's spiritual bypassing. Nothing to the with the Absolute. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nungali Posted yesterday at 02:32 AM I worry about syntax . What does '' Nothing to the with the Absolute. '' mean ? - word missing ? Spellcheck suggests Nothing to them with the Absolute. ' Now I am worried about what 'the absolute' means Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
old3bob Posted yesterday at 02:38 AM (edited) 5 hours ago, Keith108 said: That's spiritual bypassing. Nothing to the with the Absolute. could you spell that out some more Keith? I'd say most humans worry to various degrees about various things, while an eternal, un-changing absolute has no worries as we often do... Edited yesterday at 02:46 AM by old3bob Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nungali Posted yesterday at 05:29 AM (edited) I was wondering when that song would appear Thats lame oldbob ... lame ! You should have picked a deeper and more intellectual expression of the concept ; Press play ^ ....... watch cat > Edited yesterday at 06:18 AM by Nungali 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
old3bob Posted 22 hours ago (edited) same questions repeat again and again... Edited 21 hours ago by old3bob Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
old3bob Posted 21 hours ago (edited) oops, no time to worry now (or panic) for there is only time to try and survive.... Edited 21 hours ago by old3bob Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Keith108 Posted 20 hours ago 11 hours ago, old3bob said: could you spell that out some more Keith? I'd say most humans worry to various degrees about various things, while an eternal, un-changing absolute has no worries as we often do... Sure. I happened to be reading this passage from the Platform Sutra this morning (Chapter 6, emphasis mine): "...The third is the Incense of Prajna, which means that our mind is free from all hindrances, and is constantly perceiving our Essence of Mind with wisdom. Here we refrain from evil deeds and cultivate good acts without being attached to them. We are respectful towards our superiors and considerate of our inferiors. Also, we are sympathetic to the destitute and the poor." As you say, in the Absolute, there are no worries. But, there is no happiness either. Just equanimity. Doing not-doing, without a doer. Maybe... That's just how it looks from over here. _/|\_ Keith 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
old3bob Posted 17 hours ago Although the historic Buddha is commonly depicted as having a subtle happiness/smile... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tommy Posted 13 hours ago 6 hours ago, Keith108 said: As you say, in the Absolute, there are no worries. But, there is no happiness either. Just equanimity. Doing not-doing, without a doer. I am sorry but I have an issue with that absolute there is no happiness. As everyone knows, change happens. One can not be equanimity all the time because there is change. Meeting an old friend may bring happiness. Losing a loved one may bring sadness. As the saying goes, before enlightenment chop wood, carry water. After enlightenment, chop wood carry water. Do you mean to say that in the Absolute there is no change? No flux? No need to chop wood nor carry water? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lairg Posted 13 hours ago It seems to me that happiness is of the personality, while joy is of the spirit Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cobie Posted 12 hours ago 4 hours ago, old3bob said: … the historic Buddha is commonly depicted as having a subtle happiness/smile... Early Buddhist art was aniconic. Buddha in human form began to appear in the 1st century AD, under the influence of Hellenistic culture (the "archaic smile"). 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Keith108 Posted 11 hours ago 54 minutes ago, Tommy said: I am sorry but I have an issue with that absolute there is no happiness. As everyone knows, change happens. One can not be equanimity all the time because there is change. Meeting an old friend may bring happiness. Losing a loved one may bring sadness. As the saying goes, before enlightenment chop wood, carry water. After enlightenment, chop wood carry water. Do you mean to say that in the Absolute there is no change? No flux? No need to chop wood nor carry water? Ha! Don't be sorry. There is a very good chance I don't know what the hell I am talking about! I am not a Buddha, or enlightened, or even a very good student. But, my understanding is that Buddha's experience all that is part of being a human being, they just aren't attached to those experiences. So, perhaps I misspoke. There is happiness, but no attempt to hold it. There is sadness, just no attempt to push it away. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nungali Posted 11 hours ago 9 hours ago, old3bob said: oops, no time to worry now (or panic) for there is only time to try and survive.... We are all falling down tumbling and spinning arms and legs flailing that moment as you go over the top and know there is no return . I remember ... back then . we were riding a wave high and proud but as time went on our journey became vertical uncontrollable Too late now we are all falling down tumbling and spinning arms and legs flailing trying to swim through the air that does not give purchase or grip to anything we can try . 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tommy Posted 10 hours ago 1 hour ago, Keith108 said: Ha! Don't be sorry. There is a very good chance I don't know what the hell I am talking about! I am not a Buddha, or enlightened, or even a very good student. But, my understanding is that Buddha's experience all that is part of being a human being, they just aren't attached to those experiences. So, perhaps I misspoke. There is happiness, but no attempt to hold it. There is sadness, just no attempt to push it away. There is a very good chance that you have spent a great deal of time and effort learning and building this knowledge of the Dharma. So much so that it has become like a brick house. Each lesson or brick laid in place and cemented to stand the fury of the outside winds and rains. But, as everyone knows, it is the empty space which provides us we a living area. You have mentioned creeping vines which to me were thoughts which creep in while one is trying to just sit. And it has shown me my own creeping vines. These things are the remains of what is left fighting to be ego. A self saying to itself, I am here, sitting quietly. This I is the watcher and the doer of not doing. This I prevents one from dropping this mind and moving forward to cross the stream. It is like another trap the mind has created. I am here. I am aware. The mind created this I which is keeping me separate. So, if one drops the mind then the illusion drops away and the absolute appears? Does one see the truth that this is temporary? That there is no need to cling to pleasure or pain? But, this is life and to drop the mind and feel the heart? There may not be happiness but there should be a lightness? Yes, not a Buddha, nor enlightened, nor even a good student. This I understand from my own experiences. Happiness, yes, but no need to hold it. Sadness, yes, but no need to push it away. Just space for things to arise and go away. I think you know much more than your words show. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
