Don't worry be happy?

[old3bob]

 

Don't worry be happy?  (common in Hollywood movies and in the Absolute)

 

[Lairg]

Negative feelings attract negative entities including human.

[Keith108]

3 hours ago, old3bob said:

 

Don't worry be happy?  (common in Hollywood movies and in the Absolute)

 

That's spiritual bypassing. Nothing to the with the Absolute. 

[Nungali]

I worry about syntax .

 

What does '' Nothing to the with the Absolute. '' mean  ?  - word missing ? 

 

Spellcheck suggests  Nothing to them with the Absolute. '    

 

Now I am worried about what 'the absolute'  means 

[old3bob]

5 hours ago, Keith108 said:

That's spiritual bypassing. Nothing to the with the Absolute. 

 

could you spell that out some more Keith?  I'd say most humans worry to various degrees about various things,  while an eternal, un-changing absolute has no worries as we often do...

 

 

Edited Monday at 02:46 AM by old3bob

[Nungali]

I was wondering when that song would appear    

 

 

Thats lame oldbob ... lame ! 

 

 

You should have picked a deeper and more intellectual expression of the concept ; 

 

 

 

 

Press play   ^ .......  watch cat   > 

 

 

Edited Monday at 06:18 AM by Nungali

[old3bob]

same questions repeat again and again...

 

 

Edited Monday at 12:39 PM by old3bob

[old3bob]

oops, no time to worry now  (or panic) for there is only time to try and survive....

 

 

Edited Monday at 12:42 PM by old3bob

[Keith108]

11 hours ago, old3bob said:

 

could you spell that out some more Keith?  I'd say most humans worry to various degrees about various things,  while an eternal, un-changing absolute has no worries as we often do...

 

 

Sure. I happened to be reading this passage from the Platform Sutra this morning (Chapter 6, emphasis mine):

 

"...The third is the Incense of Prajna, which means that our mind is free from all hindrances, and is constantly perceiving our Essence of Mind with wisdom. Here we refrain from evil deeds and cultivate good acts without being attached to them. We are respectful towards our superiors and considerate of our inferiors. Also, we are sympathetic to the destitute and the poor." 

 

As you say, in the Absolute, there are no worries. But, there is no happiness either. Just equanimity. Doing not-doing, without a doer. 

 

Maybe...  That's just how it looks from over here. 

 

_/|\_

Keith

[old3bob]

Although the historic Buddha is commonly depicted as having a subtle happiness/smile...

[Tommy]

6 hours ago, Keith108 said:

As you say, in the Absolute, there are no worries. But, there is no happiness either. Just equanimity. Doing not-doing, without a doer. 

I am sorry but I have an issue with that absolute there is no happiness. As everyone knows, change happens. One can not be equanimity all the time because there is change. Meeting an old friend may bring happiness. Losing a loved one may bring sadness. As the saying goes, before enlightenment chop wood, carry water. After enlightenment, chop wood carry water. Do you mean to say that in the Absolute there is no change? No flux? No need to chop wood nor carry water?

[Lairg]

It seems to me that happiness is of the personality, while joy is of the spirit

 

[Cobie]

 

4 hours ago, old3bob said:

… the historic Buddha is commonly depicted as having a subtle happiness/smile...

Early Buddhist art was aniconic. Buddha in human form began to appear in the 1st century AD, under the influence of Hellenistic culture (the "archaic smile").

 

 

 

[Keith108]

54 minutes ago, Tommy said:

I am sorry but I have an issue with that absolute there is no happiness. As everyone knows, change happens. One can not be equanimity all the time because there is change. Meeting an old friend may bring happiness. Losing a loved one may bring sadness. As the saying goes, before enlightenment chop wood, carry water. After enlightenment, chop wood carry water. Do you mean to say that in the Absolute there is no change? No flux? No need to chop wood nor carry water?

Ha! Don't be sorry. There is a very good chance I don't know what the hell I am talking about!

 

I am not a Buddha, or enlightened, or even a very good student. But, my understanding is that Buddha's experience all that is part of being a human being, they just aren't attached to those experiences. So, perhaps I misspoke. There is happiness, but no attempt to hold it. There is sadness, just no attempt to push it away.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Nungali]

9 hours ago, old3bob said:

oops, no time to worry now  (or panic) for there is only time to try and survive....

 

 

 

We are all falling down 

tumbling and spinning 

arms and legs flailing 

that moment as you go over the top

and know there is no return . 

 

I remember ... back then .

we were riding a wave  

high and proud 

but as time went on 

our journey became vertical 

uncontrollable 

 

Too late now 

 

we are all falling down 

tumbling and spinning

arms and legs flailing 

trying to swim through the air 

that does not give purchase or grip

to anything we can try . 

[Tommy]

1 hour ago, Keith108 said:

Ha! Don't be sorry. There is a very good chance I don't know what the hell I am talking about!

 

I am not a Buddha, or enlightened, or even a very good student. But, my understanding is that Buddha's experience all that is part of being a human being, they just aren't attached to those experiences. So, perhaps I misspoke. There is happiness, but no attempt to hold it. There is sadness, just no attempt to push it away.

There is a very good chance that you have spent a great deal of time and effort learning and building this knowledge of the Dharma. So much so that it has become like a brick house. Each lesson or brick laid in place and cemented to stand the fury of the outside winds and rains. But, as everyone knows, it is the empty space which provides us we a living area.

 

You have mentioned creeping vines which to me were thoughts which creep in while one is trying to just sit. And it has shown me my own creeping vines. These things are the remains of what is left fighting to be ego. A self saying to itself, I am here, sitting quietly. This I is the watcher and the doer of not doing. This I prevents one from dropping this mind and moving forward to cross the stream. It is like another trap the mind has created. I am here. I am aware. The mind created this I which is keeping me separate.

 

So, if one drops the mind then the illusion drops away and the absolute appears? Does one see the truth that this is temporary? That there is no need to cling to pleasure or pain? But, this is life and to drop the mind and feel the heart? There may not be happiness but there should be a lightness? Yes, not a Buddha, nor enlightened, nor even a good student. This I understand from my own experiences. 

 

Happiness, yes, but no need to hold it. Sadness, yes, but no need to push it away. Just space for things to arise and go away. I think you know much more than your words show.

[old3bob]

17 hours ago, Cobie said:

 

Early Buddhist art was aniconic. Buddha in human form began to appear in the 1st century AD, under the influence of Hellenistic culture (the "archaic smile").

 

 

ok, but we can see happiness/smiles in great many other realized Beings both in person and in recent history, also in different time periods and places...(thus in various forms of artwork going back thousands of years besides in photos)

[Cobie]

@old3bob Depictions with smiles are a fairly recent phenomenon. Smiles were seen as for fools only. The rich, powerful and the holy were depicted looking sober, to show their earthly or spititual authority.

 

 

Edited 10 hours ago by Cobie

[old3bob]

 

“So don’t worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will bring its own worries. Today’s trouble is enough for today."  Bible quote

 

then again in a different context:

"The Iroquois (Haudenosaunee) Seventh Generation Principle dictates that decisions made today should ensure a sustainable world for descendants seven generations in the future. It is often quoted as:In our every deliberation, we must consider the impact of our decisions on the next seven generations"

 

 thus not worry per-se but taking care for more than just today.

Edited 10 hours ago by old3bob

[old3bob]

2 minutes ago, Cobie said:

Depictions with smiles are a recent phenomenon, c. last century. Before that most depictions are sober and serious. Smiles were seen as for fools only. The rich, powerful and the holy were depicted looking sober, to show their earthly or spititual authority.

 

debateable....

What realized being can radiate great compassion and or love with a sour/dour look on their face?

[Cobie]

@old3bob The Deesis Mosaic of Hagia Sophia Istanbul.

 

 

Edited 9 hours ago by Cobie

[old3bob]

4 hours ago, Cobie said:

@old3bob The Deesis Mosaic of Hagia Sophia Istanbul.

 

 

 

? no sour or dour in that mosaic, looks more like sympathy and concern to me.

Edited 5 hours ago by old3bob