Considering Private Neidan Subforum

[Apech]

13 minutes ago, ChiDragon said:

Ever since the original Neidan concept exited, why should it be gone? It is always there. The concept do not change, only the misinterpretation change it.

I know what you think, I wasn’t asking you.

[Haribol]

Quick comment:

 

Completly blank on this subject, but based on a quick google search, it sounds fascinating. I would not participate, other than perhaps an occasional question for clarification, but I’d love to read and learn.

 

In favour!

[forestofclarity]

2 hours ago, liminal_luke said:

Importantly, I would still be able to read the forum posts. (At least I think so?)

 

Yes. And I also think people can ask questions/clarifications. 

 

9 hours ago, S:C said:

You will still have the secrecy problem, as members will often not want to state where they belong to. Every teacher has a right to be left alone.

 

Sorry, I should have stated that people should cite a teacher, a school, OR a text, allowing people some range of anonymity if they choose. For example, a person may be a part of school that rejects generally accepted neidan texts and relies on the internal texts or interpretations of that school. Others may have a teacher that generally disagrees with the various schools and texts. Others may be a part of a traditional lineage but choose to rely on statements in texts and commentaries. 

 

Of course, a lot of it will not be fully well defined and I imagine we can create rules and other things as the issue arises. It seems to me that there are at least a group here that generally agrees on what neidan is even if they disagree which schools/approaches are authentic. 

 

But yes, the fundamental problem is excluding off topic, made up, AI, DIY neidan, etc. I'm sure not everyone will like or be happy with it, but I think it's worth experimenting with it since there are few Daoist themed sites. 

[Taomeow]

43 minutes ago, Apech said:

 

Thank.  Does pure original Neidan even exist?

 

 

 

Probably, but it may be hard to find.  Even neigong the real deal is something that is mostly taught in private, one on one, for all kinds of reasons.  E.g. "pearls before the swine" is avoided, "teacher tell all, go hungry" is another consideration, persecution of taoists that repeated many times throughout history (communists didn't invent it, emperors did long before them) and what not.  The culture has always been big on "family secrets," "secret skills," "secret manuals," "secret formulas,' "secret transmissions" and so on, from neidan to porcelain to herbal formulas to martial styles, it was more common than not to not tell everything, and often tell nothing outside the family or school.  This is not just history, this is also true in our time.  Even though a lot of Chinese movies and Jin Yong's novels are centered around the pursuit of such secrets , all of it has a real-life cultural counterpart. 

 

If the private forum materializes, I might tell a story or two...  can't share in a public space, so for now they are secret.       

[cake1234566]

2 hours ago, Apech said:

 

Does pure original Neidan even exist?

 

 

Who knows, half the lineages say the original method was lost except for their patriarch who rediscovered it, the other half say they teach the original method still and the others are mistaken 

 

Its an interesting topic though, would be good discussion for the neidan subforum 

[Apech]

1 hour ago, Taomeow said:

 

Probably, but it may be hard to find.  Even neigong the real deal is something that is mostly taught in private, one on one, for all kinds of reasons.  E.g. "pearls before the swine" is avoided, "teacher tell all, go hungry" is another consideration, persecution of taoists that repeated many times throughout history (communists didn't invent it, emperors did long before them) and what not.  The culture has always been big on "family secrets," "secret skills," "secret manuals," "secret formulas,' "secret transmissions" and so on, from neidan to porcelain to herbal formulas to martial styles, it was more common than not to not tell everything, and often tell nothing outside the family or school.  This is not just history, this is also true in our time.  Even though a lot of Chinese movies and Jin Yong's novels are centered around the pursuit of such secrets , all of it has a real-life cultural counterpart. 

 

If the private forum materializes, I might tell a story or two...  can't share in a public space, so for now they are secret.       

My teacher from way back had a ‘family book’ which he occasionally mentioned but was cagey about what was actually in it.  It seemed it included some Feng Shui apart from other stuff.  He was also something of a Sino- supremicist and a bit sneery about anything western (including toast for some reason). Yes he was a toastist.

 

 

 

 

[forestofclarity]

The subforum is currently in Beta and is now open. Please use responsibly! Feel free to offer suggestions. Everything is open to discussion. 

[Taomeow]

24 minutes ago, Apech said:

My teacher from way back had a ‘family book’ which he occasionally mentioned but was cagey about what was actually in it.  It seemed it included some Feng Shui apart from other stuff.  He was also something of a Sino- supremicist and a bit sneery about anything western (including toast for some reason). Yes he was a toastist.

 

 

Sounds more like an anti-toastist.  

 

I used to see an acupuncturist who thought sushi is the food of the barbarians.  And those were the times when I frequented an amazing sushi place (they don't make them like that anymore...  everything gets corrupted once it gains popularity/profitability).  He would ask me about my weekend and if I mentioned eating at a sushi place, he would always make a face and go, "eeewww...  Well, at least you didn't eat any raw fish there, did you?"  Affirmative.  I did.  "How could you?!."

Edited 6 hours ago by Taomeow

[ChiDragon]

1 hour ago, Apech said:

I know what you think, I wasn’t asking you.

Thank you for your understanding my thoughts. _/\_ 

[DynamicEquilibrium]

5 hours ago, Apech said:

A bit of googling revealed that it is quite common to reduce Neidan to a kind of biochemical health system.  How weird … is this the CPC approved strategy?

 

 

So efficient that people swallowing such an elixir pill do not need immune system anymore. 

[ChiDragon]

9 minutes ago, DynamicEquilibrium said:

So efficient that people swallowing such an elixir pill do not need immune system anymore. 

Sorry, no swallowing is require. In case no one knows. The golden elixir pill was cultivated inside the body by the method of Neidan, 內丹. If one thinks that the swallowed pill is an elixir pill, no, it was an Aspran for headaches  

[DynamicEquilibrium]

Just now, ChiDragon said:

Sorry, no swallowing is require. In case no one knows. The golden elixir pill was cultivated inside the body by the method of Neidan, 內丹. If one thinks that the swallowed pill is an elixir pill, no, it was an Aspran for headaches  

Yes, i was talking about another kind of elixir pill. 

 

 

 

 

[ChiDragon]

Just now, DynamicEquilibrium said:

Yes, i was talking about another kind of elixir pill. 

Is there another elixir pill? Which one was that?

[DynamicEquilibrium]

1 minute ago, ChiDragon said:

Is there another elixir pill? Which one was that?

笨丹

[ChiDragon]

12 minutes ago, DynamicEquilibrium said:

笨丹

 

Oh, you meant the neonatal cultivation of 性(mind)?

Edited 5 hours ago by ChiDragon

[DynamicEquilibrium]

15 minutes ago, ChiDragon said:

 

Oh, you meant the neonatal cultivation of 性, Xing?

  Before explaining to you my meaning i need to know if you don't think 後天之氣 is only oxygen and food ? 

 

Edited 5 hours ago by DynamicEquilibrium

[ChiDragon]

53 minutes ago, DynamicEquilibrium said:

  Before explaining to you my meaning i need to know if you don't think 後天之氣 is only oxygen and food ? 

 

Sure, it’s not only but inclusive. The two was listed only pertaining to where they were applied. Please use your linguistic filter. 

Edited 4 hours ago by ChiDragon

[DynamicEquilibrium]

1 minute ago, ChiDragon said:

Sure, it’s not only but inclusive. The two was listed only pertaining the where they were applied. Please use your linguistic filter. 

I filtered, it was just to make sure of the species of bacterias and viruses. 

 

Do you realize how our ways of communications could be annoying to others? What do you think? Will you help me with that old, exhausted and sad fish or not? 

[ChiDragon]

13 minutes ago, DynamicEquilibrium said:

I filtered, it was just to make sure of the species of bacterias and viruses. 

 

Do you realize how our ways of communications could be annoying to others? What do you think? Will you help me with that old, exhausted and sad fish or not? 

Well, they have an option to put us on the ignored list. That is what is for. As you say, this is a Taoist forum. Aren't we here to cultivate the concept of Wu Wei after we have learned?

Edited 4 hours ago by ChiDragon

[DynamicEquilibrium]

5 minutes ago, ChiDragon said:

Well, they have an  opinion to put us on the ignored list. That is what is for. As you say, this is a Taoist forum. Aren't we here to cultivate the concept of Wu Wei after we have learned?

I understand peanuts about modern systems, why someone should be ignored? Like blood brothers and sisters coming out from same womb become strangers these days? 

Yes, you are aboslutely right, so actuallly i strictly don't care

Edited 4 hours ago by DynamicEquilibrium