The Powerful Curse of Jacques de Molay, the Last Grand Master of Templars

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On March 18, 1314, Jacques de Molay and a few other Templars, after enduring torture and many other humiliations, were sent to death. De Molay was an old man, tired with life and proud of his achievements. He knew that the tragedy which touched his brothers and himself was the result of schemes. He was also aware that the king of France had decided to torture and finally execute innocent people - the loyal knights of France. Thus, when he was dying he cursed everyone who recommended his murder.

The Templar Order, also known as the Knights Templar, Templars or the Order of Solomon's Temple, existed for nearly two centuries during the Middle Ages. Their story began around 1129, when they became a favored charity throughout Christendom. They grew fast, as many wanted to join the group of knights with the distinctive white mantles decorated with the red cross. They were very skillful fighters during the Crusades and had innovative financial techniques, which became an early form of modern banking. The Templars were also great builders of fortifications in Europe and the Holy Land.

 

The Last Grand Master of the Templar Order

Jacques de Molay was born c. 1243 AD. He was the 23rd and the last Grand Master of the order of the Knights Templar. He ruled the Order from April 20, 1292 and was its great reformer.

There are many more and less real stories about him, but there is little certain information about his roots and life. One legend says that during his travel through the Camino de Santiago in the late 13th century he left his sword in the castle Ponteferrada in Spain.

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As mentioned, the Templars fought in the crusades, which brought them lots of money. De Molay also spent lots of time in the Middle East, and finally he became the head of the Order.

Ordination of Jacques de Molay in 1265 as a Knight Templar, at the Beaune commandery. Painting by Marius Granet (1777-1849) (Public Domain)

 

By that time the Templars were famous for having a legendary treasure. The royals and nobles of Europe believed that they were very wealthy and some even thought that during the visit to the Middle East the Templars had rediscovered the treasure of King Solomon and took it for themselves.

Listening to these rumors, the king of France, Philip IV, decided to borrow money from the Order, believing he could do so without limits. The Templars were good in money management, but when they lent it to someone, they expected to receive repayment.

That was the beginning of the end for the Templars - Philip IV of France didn't mean to pay back his deep debt to the Order. In place of giving the money back to the Templars, he decided to take advantage of the situation. He asked for the support of pope Clement V, and in 1307 many members of the Order were arrested in France. The nightmare of the tortures to receive false confessions proving that the Templars collaborated with the devil began. De Molay was also dissolved of his duties by the order of Pope Clement V in 1307.

The Execution of the Templars

Due to the orders of Philip IV, the tortures on the Templars were completed in the most terrifying ways known. One by one, the men tortured by the Medieval Inquisition, gave false confessions to stop their suffering. Nonetheless, the brave Grand Master retracted his confession and Philip decided to burn him on the island in from of the cathedral of Notre Dame de Paris.

 

 

Jacques de Molay sentenced to the stake in 1314, from the Chronicle of France or of St Denis. (Public Domain)

After seven long years, Jacques de Molay ended the daily pain of tortures and the Cardinals agreed upon the death sentence for him. According to the eyewitnesses of the execution, de Molay showed no sign of fear, and he tried to not show pain during his slow death on the burning stake.

 

Most of the pyres were prepared in such a way that the victims would die quickly. However, in the case of De Molay, they prepared a pyre which would burn slowly. Before he died, he made his voice heard loudly once more. The results of the speech may have led the king and the Cardinals to regret not allowing him to die within a few minutes, like the other Knights.

A Curse Which Scared All of Europe

While burning on the pyre, De Molay cursed King Philip IV of France, his descendants, Pope Clement V, and everyone else who supported his death. De Molay said that within a year and a day, Clement V and Philip IV would die. He also said Philip's bloodline would reign in France no more.

 

Templars burned at the stake. (Public Domain)

It happened as De Molay wished for, and death came for Clement first. He lost a battle with a damaging disease on April 20, 1314. Shortly after the Pope, Philip died of a stroke while hunting. A tragic death was also the destiny for all of Philip’s successors. Between 1314 and 1328 all three sons and grandsons of the French king died. Within fourteen years from the death of De Molay the House of Caped no longer existed - after it had stood for 300 years.

Portrait of Pope Clement V, Avignon, France. (Public Domain)

Was the curse by De Molay real? Or did his Knights accomplish the revenge of the Grand Master? The story of the last Grand Master and his horrible curse became a shock in all of the European courts. It also ruined the politics of France because some of the rulers were afraid of collaboration with the cursed royal family.

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Inspiration By the Curse

This story became a main topic of the famous series of historical novels by Maurice Druon (The Accursed Kings). The books were published in the years 1955 and 1977, and depict the reality of the times of De Molay. They were also adapted into several movies and television miniseries.

In September 2001, Barbara Frale, an Italian Paleographer at the Vatican Secret Archives discovered a document known as the Chinon Parchment. It claims that in 1308 Pope Clement V absolved Jacques De Molay and the rest of the leadership of the Knights Templar from charges brought against the Inquisition. Six years later, the Vatican published the document as a limited edition of 800 copies.

 

In June 2011, Pope Benedict XVI apologized for the killing of De Molay and acknowledged that he was a victim of false accusations. Centuries after the tragedy took place, the Vatican admitted that the pope had supported the murders, although the Templars weren't guilty.

 

 

https://www.ancient-origins.net/history-famous-people/curse-jacques-de-molay-templars-005431

 

 

This could be one of the best examples of curses being legit things.

 

Summary:

 

1.  A pope and king brought false charges against the knights templar as an excuse to seize their wealth.

2.  Knights templar were tortured to extract confessions to said false charges.

3.  Knights templar were burned at the stake.

4.  While the leader of the Knights Templar was being burned alive he said those responsible would get what they deserve.

5.  Within a year both the pope and the king were dead.

 

From an energetic and qi perspective, what might have happened here?

 

Is this curse real? What do people think?

 

[Apech]

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[Taomeow]

Maurice Druon, The Accursed Kings historical novels -- read them all as a teenager.  For a while they made me an expert in medieval French history.    I remember little by now, but I did remember the story of Jacques de Molay and was under the impression, for many years, that the curse concerned not just the Capetian dynasty but all of Europe.   I don't remember why I interpreted it this way, but there you have it. 

 

The dynasty that went a long time before that one, the Merovingians, I find particularly interesting.  In their heyday they established the largest kingdom in Western Europe after the fall of the Roman empire (if there really was such a thing as "the fall" -- to me it seems more like the refurbishing/recalibration).  What I find special about them is that to this day, chronicles exist that officially derive their genealogy from a sea monster, a “quinotaur,” who had a relationship with the ancestress and produced Meroveh, the founder of the dynasty.  This gave the dynasty sacral pre-Christian legitimacy—a ruler whose authority comes from the sea/chaos/the Other.  (Just like Chinese emperors who derive their Mandate to rule from the dragon.  Chinese dragons spend the first one thousand years as water creatures, then develop flight and take to the sky, the mountains, and the imperial court, as the case may be.)

[Apech]

1 hour ago, Taomeow said:

Maurice Druon, The Accursed Kings historical novels -- read them all as a teenager.  For a while they made me an expert in medieval French history.    I remember little by now, but I did remember the story of Jacques de Molay and was under the impression, for many years, that the curse concerned not just the Capetian dynasty but all of Europe.   I don't remember why I interpreted it this way, but there you have it. 

 

The dynasty that went a long time before that one, the Merovingians, I find particularly interesting.  In their heyday they established the largest kingdom in Western Europe after the fall of the Roman empire (if there really was such a thing as "the fall" -- to me it seems more like the refurbishing/recalibration).  What I find special about them is that to this day, chronicles exist that officially derive their genealogy from a sea monster, a “quinotaur,” who had a relationship with the ancestress and produced Meroveh, the founder of the dynasty.  This gave the dynasty sacral pre-Christian legitimacy—a ruler whose authority comes from the sea/chaos/the Other.  (Just like Chinese emperors who derive their Mandate to rule from the dragon.  Chinese dragons spend the first one thousand years as water creatures, then develop flight and take to the sky, the mountains, and the imperial court, as the case may be.)

The hairy kings who carried the blood line of Christ!

 

 

[Taomeow]

1 hour ago, Apech said:

The hairy kings who carried the blood line of Christ!

 

 

 

They weren't hairy, they were long-haired!  The belief existed that cutting their hair rendered them powerless.   Just like Samson. 

 

Native Americans were of the same opinion.  The Chinese, ditto -- until the Manchurians forced them to shave the front of the head (but the rest was worn as long as it grows, and braided.  And that also had to go with westernization in the 20th century -- for men first, and then Communists convinced women to cut their hair as well.)

[Apech]

1 hour ago, Taomeow said:

 

They weren't hairy, they were long-haired!  The belief existed that cutting their hair rendered them powerless.   Just like Samson. 

 

Native Americans were of the same opinion.  The Chinese, ditto -- until the Manchurians forced them to shave the front of the head (but the rest was worn as long as it grows, and braided.  And that also had to go with westernization in the 20th century -- for men first, and then Communists convinced women to cut their hair as well.)

I was just recalling an old TV series called the Blood and the Grail where the presenter referred to king Dagobert as the hairy kings.  It has always stuck in my mind - the series ‘inspired’ Dan Browns Da Vinci Code (in other words he ripped it off from them).

[Taomeow]

12 minutes ago, Apech said:

I was just recalling an old TV series called the Blood and the Grail where the presenter referred to king Dagobert as the hairy kings.  It has always stuck in my mind - the series ‘inspired’ Dan Browns Da Vinci Code (in other words he ripped it off from them).

 

LOL, that explains it.  Danny boy didn't strike me as a scholarly type (unlike another mass-appeal author, R.R. Martin, behind whose fantasy worlds one can sense rather vast explorations of actual history -- via spending time at the library rather than watching TV shows.) 

 

But the show presenter didn't know his Latin either.  Those kings were known as reges criniti -- long-haired kings.  Had they been hairy they would have been reges hirsuti.  The term hisrutism is used in medical jargon today as well, for the condition of being excessively covered with hair (which in many cases is not a "condition" but a genetic/ethnic feature, but in others a symptom, e.g. of some ovarian disorders in women.)   

[Apech]

50 minutes ago, Taomeow said:

 

LOL, that explains it.  Danny boy didn't strike me as a scholarly type (unlike another mass-appeal author, R.R. Martin, behind whose fantasy worlds one can sense rather vast explorations of actual history -- via spending time at the library rather than watching TV shows.) 

 

But the show presenter didn't know his Latin either.  Those kings were known as reges criniti -- long-haired kings.  Had they been hairy they would have been reges hirsuti.  The term hisrutism is used in medical jargon today as well, for the condition of being excessively covered with hair (which in many cases is not a "condition" but a genetic/ethnic feature, but in others a symptom, e.g. of some ovarian disorders in women.)   

Well I may have misremembered it cos I watched it in the 70’s.  The presenters name was Henry Lincoln and he co-authored “the holy blood and the holy grail’ or some such which was a best seller back in the day.

[Taomeow]

41 minutes ago, Apech said:

Well I may have misremembered it cos I watched it in the 70’s.  The presenters name was Henry Lincoln and he co-authored “the holy blood and the holy grail’ or some such which was a best seller back in the day.

 

I read the book, but never knew about the show.
 

People whose sublimation of our hunters-gatherer instincts causes them to hunt and gather lost, misinterpreted, censored, suppressed, adapted to an agenda or to a preconceived idea etc. information command the highest respect in my eyes.  But being human, they are not immune to doing more of the same on occasion.  I don't mean the holy grail authors specifically, for all I know they may have been right!  Nor would I write off without a second look, e.g., Sitchin just because his theory appears wild...  I find the "accepted" views among the wildest on many subjects -- 'full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.'  Or Lev Gumilev who was a serious influence back in the day.  (I think he spontaneously discovered feng shui on a macro scale -- of course he never called it that, and "spontaneously" may not really be the case, considering he was an expert on things Asia...)

[Apech]

1 hour ago, Taomeow said:

 

I read the book, but never knew about the show.
 

People whose sublimation of our hunters-gatherer instincts causes them to hunt and gather lost, misinterpreted, censored, suppressed, adapted to an agenda or to a preconceived idea etc. information command the highest respect in my eyes.  But being human, they are not immune to doing more of the same on occasion.  I don't mean the holy grail authors specifically, for all I know they may have been right!  Nor would I write off without a second look, e.g., Sitchin just because his theory appears wild...  I find the "accepted" views among the wildest on many subjects -- 'full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.'  Or Lev Gumilev who was a serious influence back in the day.  (I think he spontaneously discovered feng shui on a macro scale -- of course he never called it that, and "spontaneously" may not really be the case, considering he was an expert on things Asia...)

 

This is ep 1 of the series from 1972:

 

 

[Nungali]

3 hours ago, Apech said:

Well I may have misremembered it cos I watched it in the 70’s.  The presenters name was Henry Lincoln and he co-authored “the holy blood and the holy grail’ or some such which was a best seller back in the day.

 

Dont you mean that famous book  ;   '  The Hairy Blood and the Hairy Grail '  ?  

 

Spoiler

a western tantric 'in joke'    

 

 

[Nungali]

2 hours ago, Taomeow said:

 

I read the book, but never knew about the show.
 

People whose sublimation of our hunters-gatherer instincts causes them to hunt and gather lost, misinterpreted, censored, suppressed, adapted to an agenda or to a preconceived idea etc. information command the highest respect in my eyes. 

 

A local indigenous dance (sort of titled; )  ' We hunt what we see '  :   anyone can do it, it has elements of 'free form' in it ; hunting, stalking, watching , considering , choosing then ...... bam !   Spearing it !  (into the ground in front of the person , object or process they have incorporated into the 'dance' .  Even old 'Gubbo '  ( a renowned elder from 'out of ' this 'country ; Gumbaynngirr )     who was sitting in the audience. The Gumgayngggirr  lead dancer  approached him , looked at him with head cocked , smelt him, fluffed his beard (all highly impolite ... out of the dance   )  then yelled and speared the ground in front of him . Ted smiled . .. it was actually a compliment . 

 

Most think its  a simple hunting mime . Some think ... they hunt people ! ? ... others misunderstand it as being a simple process , you have to see what you hunt , after all .. so what are they on about . 

 

Its about learning from life , searching for lessons in nature and environment  (hunting 'truth' )  , evaluating , using , seeing best benefit , considering it and how to apply it   then 'taking it in ' and using it to grow and develop . 

 

'Hunter and hunted'        ;

 

 

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( Uncles Wirrunga- Gumbayynggirr elder  and Ted { Thomas}  - Yuin Elder  ;  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guboo_Ted_Thomas

 

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But being human, they are not immune to doing more of the same on occasion.  I don't mean the holy grail authors specifically, for all I know they may have been right!  Nor would I write off without a second look, e.g., Sitchin just because his theory appears wild...  I find the "accepted" views among the wildest on many subjects -- 'full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.'  Or Lev Gumilev who was a serious influence back in the day.  (I think he spontaneously discovered feng shui on a macro scale --

 

What ... who ... where  ?  

 

 

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of course he never called it that, and "spontaneously" may not really be the case, considering he was an expert on things Asia...)

 

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[Taomeow]

1 hour ago, Nungali said:

What ... who ... where  ?  

 

  

Long story.  This guy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lev_Gumilev

 

And the "spontaneous discovery of feng shui on a macro scale" I was referring to was how I later interpreted his Ethnogenesis and the Biosphere of Earth -- a rather wild (by accepted scientific standards) theory that links the appearance of distinct ethnicities and nations and their subsequent characteristic behaviors to the geographical landscapes of their places of origin.  He also introduced the notion of "passionarity" and the "passionarian" it produces, the type of individual personality that moves and shakes history.  It was his way to settle the long-standing problem of "the role of the individual in history" -- and if memory serves, the appearance of such potential and such individuals was also linked to the influences of the landscape and the cosmic radiation as it interacts with it -- in classical feng shui terms, to Heavenly Stems and Earthly Branches.  When I read this work in the late 70s or early 80s, it was still taboo, and I had a samizdat (typewritten-at-home) version someone let me borrow.    

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17 hours ago, Taomeow said:

 

rather vast explorations of actual history -- via spending time at the library rather than watching TV shows.) 

 

 

 

You might laugh very hard if you knew how some shows depict history.

 

Although maybe I should take that as a challenge to read more books.  

 

[Taomeow]

1 hour ago, Sanity Check said:

 

 

You might laugh very hard if you knew how some shows depict history.

 

Although maybe I should take that as a challenge to read more books.  

 

 

Some books also depict history in a way that makes me laugh, cry, or fall asleep from boredom.  

But I'm sure shows are capable of doing even more of the above.  

 

History, by the way, has never been a reliable account of anything at all, since we all know it's written by the winner.  "Until the lioness has her historian, the hunter will always be the hero." 

 

And another quote that comes to mind -- from circa 1600:

"Treason doth never prosper: what's the reason?

Why, if it prosper, none dare call it treason."

 

That's not to say you shouldn't accept the "challenge to read more books."    The best of them are among the best things life has to offer.  The rest are (or will be) history.