forgiveness without repentance....

[S:C]

3 hours ago, Cobie said:

And as long as

Isn’t what you speak of also beyond the timeframe you use to build this sentence? 

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[S:C]

3 minutes ago, steve said:

evidence suggests positive reinforcement is more effective

agreed.

[S:C]

5 minutes ago, steve said:

For me, somewhat, depending on specifics

How do you proceed, what are your considerations? 

[Lairg]

On 12/17/2025 at 9:16 PM, old3bob said:

people extending unconditional forgiveness for harm done to them

 

Various bad things have been done to me, but looking back, the bad things turned out to be good for me - changing my course for a better one.

 

It may take lifetimes to get a real-time transpersonal perspective.

 

Meanwhile the human feels better if it punishes the other party.   That used to be called righteous anger - a wonderful feeling being angry and righteous while punishing.

 

 

 

[Nungali]

5 hours ago, S:C said:

How do you do that in a decent way?

Quite challenging, or not?

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No problem .... I do it here all the time, several posters got this from me over the years  ; 

 

[Nungali]

4 hours ago, old3bob said:

 

like every vow and precept that an order has.  Annihilation of ego is one thing but that is not  annihilation of Self or Spirit which is not on a slippery slope and may be exacting  or compassionate depending on the case...(which btw is not really comprehensible to the human mind since same is beyond it)

 

 

You mean like the first degree Freemason penalty '' ... and having my throat cut across and my tongue torn out  ''   

 

'Symbolic meaning ' of course    

[Nungali]

3 hours ago, Lairg said:

 

I was with a family yesterday and the youngest child would not finish the porridge she had requested - and was asking for other food.

 

The mother was offended and insisted the girl finish the porridge first.  The girl refused.  The mother was inclined to punish.

 

I asked the mother to look at the energy of girl's intestines.  Immediately the mother could see that the girl's intestines had had enough porridge.   So she decided to serve the girl in a smaller bowl in future.

 

 

 

and the moral of the story is 

 

dont listen to your kids words , astral visit their intestines  and see that they are not full but require more of something else      

 

so in the future give her less  porridge and more of what she wants  ?     

[Nungali]

2 hours ago, ChiDragon said:

I wonder am I per se fit into this category for my unwanted behavior in the forum?

 

I shall look deep into your intestines  ..... 

 

No, they are full  enough of unwanted behavior of other people here . I suggest you top up  on what you really want 

 

or ... instead I could punish you for not wanting more unwanted behavior  ? 

[Nungali]

2 hours ago, Cobie said:

 

 

You’re the only Chinese person active on the forum, as such you are our biggest treasure.  

 

This forum has a history of banning Chinese speakers (e.g. Awaken).
 

I think some don’t like to hear anything that interferes with their cosy Westernised interpretation of Chinese culture.

 

I think some slavishly belief what their Chinese teacher says, merely because he is Chinese; hearing another Chinese person have different views, that’s too challenging.

 

 

???  

[steve]

1 hour ago, S:C said:

How do you proceed, what are your considerations? 

 

Too general a question

[old3bob]

 

another paraphrased tangent about punishment:  Jesus stopped a crowd of people that wanted to stone a woman to death who had been 'naughty' by saying,  "he who is without sin cast the first stone" but no one in crowd could do so.  Soon followed by him saying to her privately, "go your way and sin no more".

 

so about 180 degrees off from the earlier quote from Luke although in a very different context, yet I'd say is something think about/realize compared to the pro-judgement mentioned in the op. and also in some points that it sounded to me like some were trying to get across. (?)

 

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[Haribol]

I think there are two kinds of forgiveness. One is where you able to see that the offender might be incapable of real remorse, or you can understand his wrongdoing based on him having a tough life or something. In this case, I «forgive them» mentally. That is to say, I try to let go of the hurt and anger and such, but might not be willing to keep in touch with them any longer. Not because I hate them, I do not, but because I’m not willing to spend time and energy on people who don’t value me. It doesn’t do any good for anyone.

 

The second kind, where we might have done something truly hurtfull to people we love, I believe a genuine and heartfelt apology is necessary. 
 

 

In the Harry Potter series, there is something called horcruxes. These are objects that can be used to store segments of one’s soul in order to achieve immortality. But since it is in the nature of the soul to be whole, one has to murder another in order to create a fragmented piece to be stored as a horocrux. There is one way to make it whole again tho: genuine remorse.