What do you think about Neidan(內丹)?

[S:C]

1 hour ago, Cobie said:

rectification of morals

where do you draw the line? 
names, morals - have words a morale of their own!?

too much words, but sometimes they are needed, when the compass isn‘t aligned. then they should at least mirror the substance they carry, no?

Edited December 24 by S:C

[Cobie]

 

5 hours ago, -ꦥꦏ꧀ ꦱꦠꦿꦶꦪꦺꦴ- said:

I can’t tell who is trolling and who isn’t anymore 

I am not a troll. I genuinely think CD has taken his system to the pinnacle. Kudos to him. I respect him for that, although there is almost no overlap in opinions. And it is my experience, as an RC  mystic, that at the pinnacle one  is without human company. 
 

 

Edited December 24 by Cobie

[ChiDragon]

Good morning! Love to hear you all. No hard feelings. Tao is with us. Your words are precious. 

 

@Apech Since I heard lots of wonderful words for my amusement, do you still want me to continue? Please advise.

Edited December 24 by ChiDragon

[DynamicEquilibrium]

1 hour ago, stirling said:

 

Absolutely... the DAO! There IS only one "teacher". 

 

Isn't the Way always about letting something return to the nature, to let the nature govern?

 

But we are human beings, always trying to rule over everything and everyone, thinking we are the best, the smartest, the only one to be right...

To let the nature rule so that nothing is left unattended must really be a very long and difficult Way to follow, a real painful struggle to go through.

 

Different teachings, different teachers, different learners...all forgetting to bow together as one to the nature, the only legitimate master and owner of truth for all living beings. 

 

天之道, 損有餘而補不足.

人之道, 則不然, 損不足以, 奉有餘.

 

How to let the Way of the nature re-order our human ways so that they return to the nature's norm? 

 

 

 

[ChiDragon]

2 hours ago, DynamicEquilibrium said:

Who or what fixed the correct terminology and meanings originally ? 

有理必爭

[Cobie]

 

18 minutes ago, DynamicEquilibrium said:

… 天之道, 損有餘而補不足.

人之道, 則不然, 損不足以, 奉有餘 …

This quote is from DDJ ch. 77 .
 

Imo ch. 77 was not part of the DDJ but later inserted as a commentary.

 https://www.thedaobums.com/topic/56137-ddj-ch-70-81-a-later-addition/?do=findComment&comment=1039255

 

 

 

Edited December 24 by Cobie

[Apech]

47 minutes ago, ChiDragon said:

Good morning! Love to hear you all. No hard feelings. Tao is with us. Your words are precious. 

 

@Apech Since I heard lots of wonderful words for my amusement, do you still want me to continue? Please advise.

Yes please do.

[-ꦥꦏ꧀ ꦱꦠꦿꦶꦪꦺꦴ-]

49 minutes ago, Cobie said:

 

Not sure what you have in mind, but feel motivated to clarify (as I respect you from what I read on this forum) that at least I am not a troll. I genuinely think CD has taken his system to the pinnacle. Kudos to him. I respect him for that, although there is almost no overlap in opinions. And it is my experience, as an RC  mystic, that at the pinnacle one  is without human company. 
 

 

Don’t worry, I’m also trolling too with my comment

[Cobie]

 

14 minutes ago, -ꦥꦏ꧀ ꦱꦠꦿꦶꦪꦺꦴ- said:

… I’m also trolling too …

I do not trol. Never ever.

 

 

Edited December 24 by Cobie

[DynamicEquilibrium]

30 minutes ago, ChiDragon said:

有理必爭

無理更必爭😁

 

[ChiDragon]

11 minutes ago, Cobie said:

I do not trol. Never ever.

Don't be surprised. People might think that you are occasionally! 
Do you see how this thread was contaminated with trolls?

Edited December 24 by ChiDragon

[Cobie]

 

14 minutes ago, ChiDragon said:

… Do you see how this thread was contaminated with trolls?

No.     I had no idea. 

[DynamicEquilibrium]

57 minutes ago, Cobie said:

 

This quote is from DDJ ch. 77 .
 

Imo ch. 77 was not part of the DDJ but later inserted as a commentary.

 https://www.thedaobums.com/topic/56137-ddj-ch-70-81-a-later-addition/?do=findComment&comment=1039255

 

 

 

Yes, chapter 77. 

 

As you may know already, in times of food shortage bigger animals which need to eat a lot disapear first, those who survive are the smaller ones, those very tough and consuming the least energy to achieve the highest efficiency for survival. 

But what these bigger energy-greedy animals feed on in the first place ? On smaller animals hoping to grow bigger themselves ! 

Edited December 24 by DynamicEquilibrium

[ChiDragon]

4 minutes ago, Cobie said:

No.     I had no idea. 

我是說他們是在針對我們!

[-ꦥꦏ꧀ ꦱꦠꦿꦶꦪꦺꦴ-]

7 minutes ago, Cobie said:

 

No.     I had no idea. 

 

[Cobie]

 

45 minutes ago, -ꦥꦏ꧀ ꦱꦠꦿꦶꦪꦺꦴ- said:

…

 

 

I don’t understand this sort of stuff and have no interest in it.
I better edit the respect out of my previous post.

 

 

Edited December 24 by Cobie

[Cobie]

42 minutes ago, ChiDragon said:

我是說他們是在針對我們!

 

Righto, got it now.

 

Edited December 24 by Cobie

[stirling]

2 hours ago, Antares said:

I just disagree. Not going to argue with you. If you can invent your own Ming methods then partially I would agree with  you. But I don't know anyone who has invented it. Oh, sorry, my fault, we have one here. Anyone one else?

Even CD used taiji practice that was not invented by him

 

Your quote was:

 

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I have read on this forum that some people believe it's possible to achieve 'transmission of knowledge' directly from the Dao and that a teacher is not necessary.

 

...which would be correct. "Transmission of knowledge" of the Dao is one thing. Neidan in all its variety is another. 

[stirling]

1 hour ago, DynamicEquilibrium said:

Isn't the Way always about letting something return to the nature, to let the nature govern?

 

Yes, I think so. The Dao is here, now, not subject to special circumstances, not a special state, or place.

 

1 hour ago, DynamicEquilibrium said:

But we are human beings, always trying to rule over everything and everyone, thinking we are the best, the smartest, the only one to be right...

 

Definitely. We are very convinced that we are somehow separate from the Dao is, or that things in this moment are not exactly as they should be. We feel we should be contriving a reality that suits us. All of that activity pushes us further from the simple realization of things as they are. 

 

1 hour ago, DynamicEquilibrium said:

To let the nature rule so that nothing is left unattended must really be a very long and difficult Way to follow, a real painful struggle to go through.

 

That hasn't been my experience, in fact I believe it is the easiest way. It all comes down to how easily you can surrender your idea of "self" and control. The Way isn't painful, it is the ego/self that creates and experiences the pain, based on its struggle with how reality is perceived. Even in resistance things are still aligned. In meditation we can rest in stillness and see what it is to live without struggle, and realize that there is only the struggle we create.

 

1 hour ago, DynamicEquilibrium said:

Different teachings, different teachers, different learners...all forgetting to bow together as one to the nature, the only legitimate master and owner of truth for all living beings. 

 

_/\_

 

1 hour ago, DynamicEquilibrium said:

 

天之道, 損有餘而補不足.

人之道, 則不然, 損不足以, 奉有餘.

 

How to let the Way of the nature re-order our human ways so that they return to the nature's norm?

 

Be as nature is!

[DynamicEquilibrium]

4 hours ago, Antares said:

It depends on sect but from what i know - In the West, northern schools have become widespread, where the main emphasis is on Xing, and Ming, if cultivated at all, is done so to a lesser extent in the initial stages of practice. Ideally, there should be a precise 50/50 balance, otherwise there is a significant risk of deviations. In very rare systems, such a correct ratio of cultivation methods for Xing and Ming exists

 Xing, Ming and social nature can't be considered separatedly practically speaking because together they form a continuum. 

Cultivation is the cultivation of everything as one, because you can't cut an individual into pieces to cultivate its parts separatedly.

Still, the ratio question is important, so how much and where ? Without knowing the proper ratio per sections of the continuum, how to know what we are doing knowing that this continuum has actually much more than 3 sections ? 

Edited December 24 by DynamicEquilibrium

[ChiDragon]

Back on course.

Disclaimer: The following information is collective throughout the years of research. It is not my original idea nor my invention. It is the principle that counts. However, who said it, where is coming from is true or not are immaterial. It is up to the judgment of the reader. Please keep in mind. It is only the principle.

Per the request of @Apech I am only fulfilling his desire to hear the method of Neidan from me. This is the only way that I understand it. I will not argue with the contradiction of other sources. Their ideas may be as good as mine. Hopefully, the end result will be the same. Peace!

Edited December 24 by ChiDragon

[ChiDragon]

1 hour ago, DynamicEquilibrium said:

Xing, Ming and social nature can't be considered separatedly practically speaking because together they form a continuum. 

Cultivation is the cultivation of everything as one, because you can't cut an individual into pieces to cultivate its parts separatedly.

何必對牛彈琴!

[DynamicEquilibrium]

8 minutes ago, ChiDragon said:

何必對牛彈琴!

氣龍, 你怎麼不知道鯉魚在聽? 😋

[ChiDragon]

21 minutes ago, ChiDragon said:

Per the request of @Apech I am only fulfilling his desire to hear the method of Neidan from me. This is the only way that I understand it. I will not argue with the contradiction of other sources. Their ideas may be as good as mine. Hopefully, the end result will be the same. Peace!

Before we start, we must clear some of the misunderstand of the terms of 精氣神. The direct translation of the terms will throw everything off. If we stay out of using the term "energy", then we will be safe.
精 is like a microscopic living organ, it is not a sperm as one might think.
氣 is the vital source that invigorates the body. It is not an energy.
神 is the driving source of the body. It is the commander-in-chief of the body. So to speak! It is not spirit.

 

[DynamicEquilibrium]

1 hour ago, stirling said:

 

Yes, I think so. The Dao is here, now, not subject to special circumstances, not a special state, or place.

 

 

Definitely. We are very convinced that we are somehow separate from the Dao is, or that things in this moment are not exactly as they should be. We feel we should be contriving a reality that suits us. All of that activity pushes us further from the simple realization of things as they are. 

 

 

That hasn't been my experience, in fact I believe it is the easiest way. It all comes down to how easily you can surrender your idea of "self" and control. The Way isn't painful, it is the ego/self that creates and experiences the pain, based on its struggle with how reality is perceived. Even in resistance things are still aligned. In meditation we can rest in stillness and see what it is to live without struggle, and realize that there is only the struggle we create.

 

 

_/\_

 

 

Be as nature is!

Your experience is inspiring, it resemble a blossoming without obstructions. I don't know how to call the beautiful diversity of experiences coming to a same realization, if you have an idea please tell me ! 😊