Chaos Magic

[Apech]

4 hours ago, S:C said:

My comment was directed at perception / observation and interpretation thereof in general concerning the thread topic. It might have been better to have asked, if ‘magical’ isn’t always an ‘subjective interpretation’?

When one feels ‘in sync’ with natural surroundings an inside feeling might coincide with outside happenings. Some would ascribe this to religion or alike, if a God Beeing is missing in their worldview. E.g. when it starts to snow when it hasn’t in a while and that falls into place with a feeling you haven’t had for a long time. Or recognizing a double rainbow at an ancient place above you after an emotional experience.

 

I’m very sorry you took my comment personal, that wasn’t intended. I just reflected upon own observations, and you and Cobie might scould me (again) for being so unobservant to other’s possible experience and perceptions. Apologies!
 

And thanks for clarifying: I wasn’t aware the sincere traditional Buddhists are as ‘playful’ as to consider such a subjective interpretation of events as their path. I always thought they were foremost going for ‘objectivity’ or oneness without suffering. Not personal peace with another person through connection.

But that was indeed an element I hadn’t thought about. If that is indeed a solid traditional interpretation of what this branch of Buddhism is about, I am glad to know that now.
So Vajrayana is a special way of subjective ‘connecting’ and interpreting? I might pm you about this question as it strays from the topic, even if it were a ancient tradition thereof.

 

 

 

No need to apologise ... all is in the spirit of good natured conversation as far as I am concerned.  I will answer your PM.  I don't want to talk too much about vajrayana on this thread because as you say the topic is Chaos Magic.

 

 

[stirling]

14 hours ago, Sanity Check said:

(They would consider it leaning too much on one's own understanding of things.)

 

Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.

 

-Proverbs 3:5

 

Not what I thought you might say. Huh. Seems an complex reason, when rites and rituals are absolutely part of many Christian ceremonies but, I'm no expert.

[Nungali]

14 hours ago, Sanity Check said:

 

 

What is going on with me?

 

What is going on with you is what you posted  .    Its one of your mottos and you posted it when you    got stuck in the corner of your own argument that turned out to be  silly and irrational  .... to wit  :  Proverbs 3;5   that is 

 

Dont lean on your own understanding but trust the Lord with all your heart ... that is ; dont try to understand just trust the Lord .... which is what you do and claim to do 

 

But when you point it out you dont even seem to know what you yourself are saying .  ( thats something 'going on with you'  as well . )

 

 

14 hours ago, Sanity Check said:

 

 

 

 

Its only basic evolution.

 

Nothing you need ever worry your silly head about.

 

[Nungali]

4 hours ago, stirling said:

 

Not what I thought you might say. Huh. Seems an complex reason, when rites and rituals are absolutely part of many Christian ceremonies but, I'm no expert.

 

One is to partake of those rites  .... but need not understand , well, anything . 

 

Its the 'christian refuge'   when out of their depth in  religious conversation  , ie, logic and reason are tools of the devil ... to tempt one away from 'faith in God' . 

 

The original idea was probably 'dont try to understand God ' .... not 'dont try to understand anything '     . .. it takes a 'special sort of Christian '   to make that  leap from one to the other    

 

 

[Sanity Check]

4 hours ago, Nungali said:

 

What is going on with you is what you posted  .    Its one of your mottos and you posted it when you    got stuck in the corner of your own argument that turned out to be  silly and irrational  .... to wit  :  Proverbs 3;5   that is 

 

Dont lean on your own understanding but trust the Lord with all your heart ... that is ; dont try to understand just trust the Lord .... which is what you do and claim to do 

 

But when you point it out you dont even seem to know what you yourself are saying .  ( thats something 'going on with you'  as well . )

 

 

 

Its a fine line between not leaning too much on ones own knowledge.

 

And yet following Noah's example by building an Ark to save thyself from future floods & crisis looming on the horizon.

 

The problem with "lean not on thy own understanding" is its anti intellectual slant. Many use it as an excuse to justify intellectual laziness. Which is a distortion and crookedness of the original intent.