Yes-But-Mind vs. Don't-Know-Mind

[Lairg]

1 hour ago, stirling said:

"Why?" implies some past or future,

 

My own view is that before during and after Existence is Beingness.   Could Beingness have purpose for generating universes?

 

1 hour ago, stirling said:

it is only the thinking mind that contrives ideas of "purpose" or meaning beyond what is visible right here, right now.

 

In some traditions there are many planes/dimensions beyond mind

 

 

[old3bob]

1 hour ago, stirling said:

 

"Why?" implies some past or future, or someone to exist within a timeline. It is worth examining whether any continuity truly exists in this moment. Meditation (not a practice but actual stillness of the mind) would be the tool for this. 

 

 

See above. This moment is perfect and complete as it is, it is only the thinking mind that contrives ideas of "purpose" or meaning beyond what is visible right here, right now.

 

then again the historic Buddha did speak of meaning as being important.  

[Lairg]

I have read that when considering an event, identify its:

 

- form

- meaning

- significance

 

Identification of significance requires a broad perception

 

What is the significance of this universe?

 

 

 

[Nungali]

4 hours ago, Lairg said:

 

My own view is that before during and after Existence is Beingness.   Could Beingness have purpose for generating universes?

 

 

In some traditions there are many planes/dimensions beyond mind

 

 

 

'Beingness '   ...  that has no existence  ?        

[bradley]

14 hours ago, Lairg said:

Why does Existence occur?

 

Does the enlightened/transparent human have some role in Existence achieving its purposes?

 

Pralaya (Sanskrit: प्रलय, romanized: Pralaya, lit. 'Destruction') is a concept in Hindu eschatology. Generally referring to four different phenomena,^[1][2][3] it is most commonly used to indicate the event of the dissolution of the entire universe that follows a kalpa (a period of 4.32 billion years) called the Brahmapralaya.

 

I don't know.

 

I do appreciate your perspectives and views, though.  There are so many ways to approach living, and at least from my perspective, it does not really matter which approach one takes, so long as it is done with a kind and open heart.  There are so many incredible people from all sorts of different traditions out there.  I met the most wonderful fellow from kurdistan at a coffee shop today. He was a christian and would not stop talking about his love of god, and the kindness he sees in everyone he meets wherever he goes.  It made my day.  I dont think any one tradition can claim a monopoly on the answers to existential questions nor "enlightenment" in general.  To me enlightenment is more like a sparkle that you can just see in peoples eyes when you speak with them.  Ive come to realize that I don't really need to know the answers to existential or metaphysical questions to live a meaningful and fulfilling life.  I just have to be.  That's why I liked the video.  I do find esoteric approaches and ideas interesting though, and sometimes try them out, hopefully with the same spirit of "just being".  That is why I also like reading yours and others perspectives.      

[stirling]

15 hours ago, Lairg said:

My own view is that before during and after Existence is Beingness.

 

Depending on what one might mean by "Existence" I would agree. In my definition, the existence of things and concepts we give the status of "separate" appear and disappear moment to moment. "Beingness", in my definition would be the simple presence of pure awareness that is underneath all thinking and doing by a "self". Brings to mind:

 

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You see yourself in the world while I see the world in myself. To you, you get born and die; while to me, the world appears and disappears. - Nisargadatta Maharaj

 

From the perspective of enlightenment the phenomenal world can be both peopled by separate things and beings of various types or completely still and unitary, depending on which perspective one looks from. The unitary stillness is always present underneath the world of separateness.  This is what Maharaj is pointing at. 

 

15 hours ago, Lairg said:

Could Beingness have purpose for generating universes?

 

The panoply of observed phenomena DO arise from the unity/emptiness. I wouldn't go as far as saying it is any kind of purpose. It is just what happens. 

 

15 hours ago, Lairg said:

In some traditions there are many planes/dimensions beyond mind.

 

There are many ways of seeing the seemingly external world, but they are always right here, in my experience. There is nothing beyond, or somewhere else. Enlightenment always happens here,  in this moment. There is nothing to do but stop fabricating your version of the outside world and rest in it, if you want to recognize it.

 

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In July of the same year I was staying at Tiantongshan when the tenzo (cook) of Ayuwang shan came to see me and said, "After the summer Training Period is over I'm going to retire as tenzo and go back to my native region. I heard from a fellow monk that you were here and so I came to see how you were making out."

 

I was overjoyed. I served him tea as we sat down to talk. When I brought up our discussion on the relationship about words and practice, the tenzo said, "If you want to understand words you must look into what words are. If you want to practice, you must understand what practice is."

 

I asked, "What are words?"

 

The tenzo said, "One, two, three, four, five."

 

I asked again, "What is practice?"

"Everywhere, nothing is hidden."

 

- Instructions for the Tenzo by Eihei Dogen

 

[stirling]

14 hours ago, old3bob said:

then again the historic Buddha did speak of meaning as being important.  

 

Anywhere you were thinking of specifically?

[Tommy]

I have to wonder ... say the experiment of the double slit where a single light source travels past a double slit. The initial result is that there are light and dark patterns which form on the back screen. It is a pattern of wave interference. When the source was changed to an electron gun, where electron particle was sent past the double slit, the experimenter expected to see two bright bands. Instead, the pattern for light waves appeared. Somehow the single electrons form a wave pattern on the back screen. Then when the experimenter watched the electrons go past the double slit, a pattern of two bright band appeared. So, it seemed that the simple observation of the electrons changed the results. This makes me think question, does sitting quietly in meditation, observing, change something fundamental in consciousness? Can the act of observation make the universe behave in a different manner?

 

Sorry, for the side track. My mind tends to lead me off to neverland.

 

Note: The emptiness or don't know mind, when observed, does it change anything?

Edited 1 hour ago by Tommy

[Lairg]

1 hour ago, Tommy said:

Can the act of observation make the universe behave in a different manner?

 

It may be that the observer's intent is the vector that changes the universe