Nei Gong systems

[Forestgreen]

On 2025-10-25 at 7:34 PM, forestofclarity said:

 

If it is permeates everywhere, it is right here and now. How does that inform one's approach? 

It's a lived experience. If it is outside of ones lived experience, for all practical purposes it is as if it doesn't exist.

[Forestgreen]

On 2025-10-25 at 7:34 PM, forestofclarity said:

 The main goal of a the teachings, in my current opinion, is to awaken people's inner connection to the Dao. 

What if that is not true? What if, for example, methods based on other goals have been interwoven in the tradition for a millenia? Then this is just one possible goal, and perhaps not the goal ones teacher is aiming for.

[forestofclarity]

On 10/28/2025 at 11:01 AM, Forestgreen said:

It's a lived experience. If it is outside of ones lived experience, for all practical purposes it is as if it doesn't exist.

 

I might suggest that this is a bit more foundational. Maybe it is dangerous of me to say without textual support, but I'd say that without the Dao, or whatever, there'd be no structure, movement, or awareness. 

 

On 10/28/2025 at 11:08 AM, Forestgreen said:

What if that is not true? What if, for example, methods based on other goals have been interwoven in the tradition for a millenia? Then this is just one possible goal, and perhaps not the goal ones teacher is aiming for.

 

I'm cool if whatever concepts bubbling through my mind are shown to be wrong. From a certain point of view, they are all limited and don't really hold up. 

 

I'm curious though on what you mean though about "based on other goals interwoven in the tradition?" What would be an example? 

[ChiDragon]

3 hours ago, forestofclarity said:

Maybe it is dangerous of me to say without textual support,

Isn't textual support is somebody else's words without textual support to begin with?

[Forestgreen]

On 2025-10-30 at 12:14 AM, forestofclarity said:

 

I'm curious though on what you mean though about "based on other goals interwoven in the tradition?" What would be an example? 

Schools of neidan that mixes methods aimed at different leveks of xian, schools of neidan that mixes those methods with thunder rites. A certain buddhist tradition ( mine) that mixes alchemical methods with what was first schamanistic methods for affecting life but then devolved into methods of how to hurt people (poison hands).

Stuff like that.

[forestofclarity]

On 10/31/2025 at 5:51 AM, Forestgreen said:

Schools of neidan that mixes methods aimed at different leveks of xian, schools of neidan that mixes those methods with thunder rites. A certain buddhist tradition ( mine) that mixes alchemical methods with what was first schamanistic methods for affecting life but then devolved into methods of how to hurt people (poison hands).

Stuff like that.

 

Your school sounds really awesome!

This is not unlike Tantra. In Tantra, traditionally one starts with the highest methods, but there is a whole structure of other methods for different types of people depending on their particular circumstances and capacities. In other words, methods aimed at providing health and wealth are not there necessarily for hedonistic pleasure, but to bring one along to the ultimate way. It is difficult to practice if you're sick, hungry, or worried. And some of these also lead one to increase certain inner qualities by providing services to others.

 

And to get one's health and magical practices to work, arguably one needs to begin to align with the ultimate in some way.