Kunlun system (Max Christensen) VS Stillness-Movement (Michael Lomax) end result outcomes the same or different?

[dim]

As a new person to both of these systems... They appear pretty similar in overall instructions (relax and put awareness on LDT and just let go and let the body spontaneously do what it does). Although Kunlun has raised heels and arms / hands which help "turn on" the movements, whereas in S-M you cover the LDT with your hands.

 

But my question is... are the outcomes of both the systems similar / the same over time since they are focused on similar areas and spontaneous body movement? Or, do they open the body up in different ways?

 

I haven't done as much S-M as I have done Kunlun. But I notice with Kunlun, holding the hand positions seems to open up the energy between my palms, which also seems to parallel or spread the energy to the channel between my LDT and MDT. I'm not sure if this is intended or not. I also get  more spontaneous body movement doing Kunlun as the raised heels get it kickstarted. 

 

I guess before I get going too far in one system or another, I would like to know if the outcomes are similar between the 2 systems? Or, I'm completely missing the mark. That way I can choose a system now before getting too involved.

 

for me, I do have health problems (lower back, bladder / kidneys, immune system, digestion, gut health). So this is for healing, but also for developing Qi and spiritual / mental / energetic growth.

 

Thank you!

[SodaChanh]

SM is based on transmission, I don't think the book is enough. 

 

Since you think the systems are similar I can tell you are not doing SM but just ordinary LDT meditation. 

[forestofclarity]

I can give you some limited impressions from what I've seen through this site. 

 

When Kunlun was introduced here, the emphasis was on flashy experiences which attracted a lot of attention. There was even a movie trailer where the person was supposedly zapping women and making them scream. A lot of people initially found value in the practice, but there were a lot of weird things going on with the personalities involves and most if not all of the Bums moved on. Kunlun seems to have come from Sifu Jenny Lamb, who as far as I know gave up teaching and practices primarily Pure Land Buddhism and may have been taken without acknowledgment. The Kunlun System seems to be cobbled together rather than a tradition that has been passed down. 

 

S-M caught some people's attention. As far as I can tell, I think some Bums got heavily involved and it became their home practice. This practice seemed to be more centered and grounded, and the people practicing it seemed that way as well. Ya Mu stated AFAIK that he received his teaching in a lineaged way and I think he is or was a full time healer. There is a video on his site and his movements don't seem grounded nor his body connected, so I didn't really look any further because those are things I look for in a physical qigong type practice. 

 

There was some discussion on pros/cons some time back: 

 

 

Having said that, I have not practiced EITHER system and have no personal experience at all. Also, this all happened over a decade ago and people will likely have changed from that point. 

[liminal_luke]

2 hours ago, forestofclarity said:

Kunlun seems to have come from Sifu Jenny Lamb, who as far as I know gave up teaching and practices primarily Pure Land Buddhism and may have been taken without acknowledgment. The Kunlun System seems to be cobbled together rather than a tradition that has been passed down. 

 

 

All true.  The basic Kunlun practice is essentially the same as Sufi Jenny Lamb´s yigong.  Max has added other practices to it to make his "system."  I´m not sure if it´s still possible to purchase Jenny Lamb´s Qigong for Self Healing dvd.  (Perhaps it´s available now for online download?)  This dvd covers the basic yigong practice as well as some preparatory qigong warmup exercises as well as practices to do after the spontaneous movement.  Recommended.  

 

Is Yamu still offering seminars?  If a person is able and willing to attend a seminar with Yamu, I´d count this as a major advantage of stillness movement.  Being able to plug into a living tradition and get instruction in person -- no small beans.  Alternatively, one could seek instruction from Max, but, as forestofclarity notes, Max´s personality isn´t for everyone.  I´d feel more comfortable with Yamu.  My partner was having some health problems and Yamu offered to do a distance healing on him for free.  We didn´t take him up on the offer, but I was impressed by his compassion.