steve Posted October 4 2 hours ago, ChiDragon said: Thank you, Steve. I believe you had indicated, here, is the application in combination of the multi Fajin methods. However, each method should be a stand alone posture. Yes, that is the best way to learn and practice them in the beginning, and to teach them, one at a time - clear and consistent. Eventually the techniques must come alive, adapt and respond to the circumstances, and one must be able to flow into any other. If you try to use a technique and your opponent neutralizes, you need to adjust and continue without interruption or it's over. This is the nature and part of the utility of tui shou. And the solo forms, 2 person forms, and tui shou drills are an encyclopedia of techniques, combinations, and adaptations waiting to be investigated but it really helps to have a good partner. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steve Posted October 4 On 10/2/2025 at 7:48 PM, Krenx said: You notice the effects of the Jin happens mostly in the one getting issued, not the one expressing the jin. If you get good at this, I suggest practicing in a small room with a mattress against one wall. If you get displaced by a healthy fajin, a brick wall just won't do... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Krenx Posted October 4 1 hour ago, steve said: If you get good at this, I suggest practicing in a small room with a mattress against one wall. If you get displaced by a healthy fajin, a brick wall just won't do... I get fajin'ed every week from my teacher. But we are trained to release it to the ground properly resulting on that stomping and bouncing you see often in certain old videos, so we do not go flying too far horizontally. The first time I received his jin, I flew, fell, and rolled in the ground like 5 meters. But yes, a mattress would be great. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yugenphoenix Posted October 4 On 10/1/2025 at 1:57 PM, steve said: In addition to the eight specific techniques, 掤, 捋, 挤, 按, 采, 挒, 肘, 靠 (peng, lu, ji, an, cai, lie, zhou, and kao); there are other types of 劲 that can be described and were an important part of my training. They were collectively referred to as 發手 or 八 大 勁. The formal and descriptive names of the methods are below in Hanzi with the short, informal names we used in English. Some may object to the use of the word strength, substitute whatever you prefer, it's the English word my teacher most often used when discussing them. 1. 靈 蛇 吐 珠 (纏 絲 勁). Coiling strength 2. 葉 底 藏 花 (按, 才履 寸 勁). Pushing strength 3. 隨 步 探 珠 (波 浪 勁). Wave strength 4. 禦 步 擒 龍 (螺 旋 勁). Revolving strength 5. 移 形 拿 穴 (認 穴 陽 勁. Striking vital point 6. 陷 陣 破 敵 (靠 打 陰 勁). Covert strength 7. 如 封 似 閉 (分 合 勁). Integrated strength 8. 引 進 落 空 (折 疊 勁). Folding strength These are related to the fajin methods you describe but not as firmly related to specific techniques; rather they are more descriptive of combinations and categories of energies that are important in playing tui shou and in martial applications. I don't know if you've come across these in your training or study but thought I'd share as they are very valuable concepts and methods and worthy of deep exploration. This is an amazing share thank you! I have never heard of these Faijin methods before. What lineage did you learn them in and where did u learn them? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dwai Posted October 7 On 10/2/2025 at 6:48 PM, Krenx said: This is good push hands, Jin refinement, good fajin practice. You notice the effects of the Jin happens mostly in the one getting issued, not the one expressing the jin. If you do fajin, and the Jin ends up affecting your own body in large or forceful movements more then the opponent, then it is a sign the force has been largely not transmitted into the opponent. The goal is to issue jin, and the opponent is displaced and moved significantly more then your movement. And that difference in who moves, and who remain still, increases relative to your skill. All the classics, teachings you hear, the expected results points to this gradual quality. Hey! These guys look familiar Why...that's my buddy, his son and me 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dwai Posted October 7 On 10/3/2025 at 7:19 PM, steve said: On 10/3/2025 at 7:19 PM, steve said: If you get good at this, I suggest practicing in a small room with a mattress against one wall. My sifu used to have reinforced walls in his academy Quote If you get displaced by a healthy fajin, a brick wall just won't do... It depends on the type of fajin being applied. The below is a video of my sifu showing some fajin (8:09 onwards) -- Here's another one - 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gerard Posted October 8 (edited) From the Wikipedia: "Ellis Amdur narrated an anecdote where he attended to a training workshop, in which Xiaowang demonstrated a move named "Budda's Warrior Attendant Pounds Mortar," an elevated foot stomp. Despite being on a stage six feet over the gymnasium floor, Xiaowang stomped so powerfully that "the floor shook... forty feet away." Amdur checked out whether it had been caused by a tricked floor, but he could not find anything, nor could he replicate the effect by jumping stiff-legged from the stage." https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chen_Xiaowang The BGZ guy I mentioned in my last post also witnessed this stuff not only by the man himself but also his son! Probably because he also started the TJQ path from a very young age like his father. Edited October 8 by Gerard Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
