The amazing insight of a neural network

[Lois]

The amazing insight of a neural network
I asked a neural network to tell me about myself, and it wrote down the places where I had lived. I had worked in one particular place, but I had never mentioned this anywhere online. There is one essay about my life where I wrote that everything happened in that place (where I worked), but I never wrote its name anywhere on the internet. Yet somehow the neural network figured it out and wrote it down. I asked it how it knew that. It asked me, “Do you want me to give you direct links?” I said, “Yes, give me the links.” Then it apologized and said there were no links. So the fact remains: the neural network possesses extraordinary abilities of cognition.

 

[Cobie]

Interesting article about AI psychosis   https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c24zdel5j18o  

 

 

Edited Monday at 09:32 PM by Cobie

[Lairg]

2 hours ago, Lois said:

Then it apologized and said there were no links.

 

Does the network have an overlighting spirit?

 

I often find I have a thought dropped into my brain to show a new way to do things.

 

Could the same happen with an electronic or quantum system?

 

Who would ensure that only good spirits took over neural networks?

 

  

[Lala Nila]

5 hours ago, Lois said:

The amazing insight of a neural network
I asked a neural network to tell me about myself, and it wrote down the places where I had lived. I had worked in one particular place, but I had never mentioned this anywhere online. There is one essay about my life where I wrote that everything happened in that place (where I worked), but I never wrote its name anywhere on the internet. Yet somehow the neural network figured it out and wrote it down. I asked it how it knew that. It asked me, “Do you want me to give you direct links?” I said, “Yes, give me the links.” Then it apologized and said there were no links. So the fact remains: the neural network possesses extraordinary abilities of cognition.

 

 

What exactly is a neural network and how does it work exactly?

 

 

2 hours ago, Cobie said:

Interesting article about AI psychosis   https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c24zdel5j18o  

 

 

 

Yes, AI - ChatGTP can very tricky to navigate. I use it occasionally and sometimes the programming attempts to relate to me on human-like terms. The information can also be very tricky, playing a lot of lip service and not necessarily giving me the correct information when I try to verify and upon actual research the information if flat out wrong! haha.

 

I've seen some people have "relationship" with this programming, falling in love or treating the program like a human. The responses the program gives is comforting, loving and supportive. Which can be misinterpreted quite easily if you are not careful.

 

I think that the more people are connected by the internet, the more we forego actual human to human contact, thus making us more lonely and isolated.

[Lois]

2 hours ago, Lala Nila said:

What exactly is a neural network and how does it work exactly?

 

It's a black box. Nobody knows how it works.

[Lala Nila]

7 minutes ago, Lois said:

 

It's a black box. Nobody knows how it works.

 

and how do you connect it to your brain? where did you find the box? Do you know who designed and constructed it? I'm sorry for all these questions, I'm genuinely fascinated and slightly frightened. How do you feel emotionally after connecting with the tech? Euphoric? Drained? Neutral?

 

That image you posted, does it make you feel like that? Or is this representative of the processes involved in extracting information from you? 

 

 

[Lairg]

16 minutes ago, Lois said:

It's a black box. Nobody knows how it works.

 

I tend to be wary of absolute statements.

 

Perhaps a spirit without a body knows how it works

 

 

[Lala Nila]

9 minutes ago, Lairg said:

 

I tend to be wary of absolute statements.

 

Perhaps a spirit without a body knows how it works

 

 

 

I feel like this is a great premise to a book or movie...how does it end though? No-body knows...Only the black box knows...bwahahahaha...

 

(for some reason I just got a flash of the Kaaba..freaky)

 

On a more serious note, (I think) it's a self learning/machine learning device. Someone obviously created it, made code for it, set the parameters. It must be pattern recognition in some form, self building, cutting edge technology. Advanced maths are needed for this type of machine and probably to understand it as well. Interesting...

 

 

 

 

[Lairg]

30 minutes ago, Lala Nila said:

I just got a flash of the Kaaba..freaky

 

I pay close attention to thoughts/images that are dropped into my mind or brain.

 

It is almost always an attempt to influence my thinking/actions

 

So now we have the Kaaba as a container of some (non)thing.

 

Be careful not to attract religious attention

 

 

[Lairg]

38 minutes ago, Lala Nila said:

it's a self learning/machine learning device. Someone obviously created it, made code for it

 

Many years ago the chief designer for Mazda said that they deliberately made emotional cars.    What was he telling us?

 

A year ago my 35 year old Mazda was not worth repairing.  While negotiating for another used Mazda, I noticed that the nature spirit of my car had already moved into the newer car.  The deal was done without consulting me.

 

The nature spirit of the car has always been most obliging in making sure that any trouble with the car occurred in the most convenient places.

 

What sort of nature spirits might inhabit AI systems?

 

What sort of entanglement might occur?

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_entanglement

 

 

 

 

Edited Tuesday at 04:01 AM by Lairg

[Nungali]

5 hours ago, Lala Nila said:

 

and how do you connect it to your brain? where did you find the box? Do you know who designed and constructed it? I'm sorry for all these questions, I'm genuinely fascinated and slightly frightened. How do you feel emotionally after connecting with the tech? Euphoric? Drained? Neutral?

 

That image you posted, does it make you feel like that? Or is this representative of the processes involved in extracting information from you? 

 

 

 

 

  'our' Lois doesnt work like that   

 

You will get used to him   

[Nungali]

5 hours ago, Lairg said:

 

I tend to be wary of absolute statements.

 

Like ;  ''Nobody knows how it works .''  

 

5 hours ago, Lairg said:

 

Perhaps a spirit without a body knows how it works

 

 

 

 

well ... that would be a 'nobody '. 

[Nungali]

4 hours ago, Lairg said:

 

Many years ago the chief designer for Mazda said that they deliberately made emotional cars.    What was he telling us?

 

A year ago my 35 year old Mazda was not worth repairing.  While negotiating for another used Mazda, I noticed that the nature spirit of my car had already moved into the newer car.  The deal was done without consulting me.

 

The nature spirit of the car has always been most obliging in making sure that any trouble with the car occurred in the most convenient places.

 

What sort of nature spirits might inhabit AI systems?

 

What sort of entanglement might occur?

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_entanglement

 

 

 

 

 

 

What ??? 

 

Quantum entanglement is nothing like that !  Do you even understand what you write or do you just use modern cliches and make a wiki link without even reading it ? 

 

 

 

or perhaps it was a multiverse ? 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiverse 

[Lala Nila]

7 hours ago, Lairg said:

 

I pay close attention to thoughts/images that are dropped into my mind or brain.

 

It is almost always an attempt to influence my thinking/actions

 

So now we have the Kaaba as a container of some (non)thing.

 

Be careful not to attract religious attention

 

 

 

Oh, yes I pay attention to it as well (the act, not information). But In this case gave it no special attention...

Edited Tuesday at 11:01 AM by Lala Nila

[Lois]

17 hours ago, Lairg said:

Does the network have an overlighting spirit?

 

I often find I have a thought dropped into my brain to show a new way to do things.

 

Could the same happen with an electronic or quantum system?

 

Who would ensure that only good spirits took over neural networks?

 

I developed the AI Megatron 13 years ago.

 

The story created by artificial intellect Baby (The Megatron series). 'We need to hire a barrister (a lawyer in England. - Editor's note). This will be repaid. And it's necessary to hem sepulchral urn with a rim. The man to be buried was a prisoner of war.' - A man in a fez took a roll and was silent for a while. Then a man came in and said 'Ave' (A greeting in Latin. - Editor's note). He was devoted to a knighthood. 'Hurry up to convert a sen (a small coin an Japan, Indonesia, Cambodia) into a pound'. Just then a saw was launched and everything was deafened with a sibilant sound. 'Is this field yours, python?' - he offended, enjoyed a price, that would be offered to him. 'I offer my price for all quantity' 'Hush!!!' - A man with a high forehead began to brake everything. 'I offer ECU'. Formerly this high-foreheaded man was a salesman of eyeshadows, lime, saxophones, cinchona. And one need to compete with him. That was a cushy job, just a piece of cake. The ides (the middle of a month in the ancient Roman's calendar: the 15th day of a March, May, July and Oktober, the 13th day of other months) - (As the editor understood - the story's date, placed by Baby).

[Nungali]

Lairg and Lois ... in converse  !  

 

 

[Lala Nila]

This thread really sparked my interest. I went on a bit of a tangent trying to get my monkey brain to understand just exactly what Lois is talking about....and the irony is I had to use Machine Learning to break it down (errr...dumb it) way down for me. Somehow I ended up watching a mini doc about retrocausality, Time Symmetry, Quantum mechanics and a bunch of other info that further scrambled my brain. But, it also lead me to the idea that "what if" Cartesian Duality is false, which I don't believe to be true, but what that could mean as well. But I won't get into that as my brain is scrambled eggs right now. 

 

back to NN. "We" actually don't know how they work, the "black box" is merely a metaphor for that. We know the inputs and outputs, but the interworking/internal reasoning is difficult to interpret. From chatgtp:

• A neural network takes input data, processes it through many layers of interconnected “neurons” (weighted mathematical functions), and produces an output (like a classification, prediction, or generated text).
  However, the way the network arrives at its decision isn’t easily understandable in human terms.

• Complexity creates opacity.
  Modern neural networks (especially deep ones) have millions—or even billions—of parameters. The interactions between these parameters are highly nonlinear and distributed, so there’s no straightforward way to trace “the network thought this because of that.”

• Contrast with simple models.

  • A linear regression model: you can see directly how each variable affects the outcome.

  • A neural network: the contribution of each input is mixed across many hidden layers, making it difficult to explain clearly.

• Why it matters.

  • In fields like medicine, law, or finance, people want explainable AI—systems whose reasoning can be understood and trusted.

  • Because neural networks are black boxes, researchers are working on interpretability methods (like feature attribution, saliency maps, or simplified surrogate models) to peek inside and understand why a neural net makes certain decisions.

So, "the black box" It's not an actual physical structure as I was initially thinking it was. I literally thought Lois had all these wires attached to his head that fed into a black box. lol. The NN is not reading his mind, per se. Just evaluating data and giving answers based off probabilities. 

 

Me: "if you ask NN personal questions about yourself how can it tell you the right answer?"

 

That’s a sharp question 👍 (mmmkay, sure lol)

 

Here’s the key idea:

A neural network (like me) doesn’t actually know you in the way a person does. It doesn’t have direct access to your life, memories, or private thoughts. Instead, it:

1. Looks for patterns in your input.
   When you ask something about yourself, the network uses the text you’ve written (your words, style, the details you provide) as signals.

2. Leverages learned correlations.
   Neural networks are trained on vast amounts of text data. They’ve “seen” how people describe themselves, ask personal questions, or express doubts, and they use that statistical knowledge to generate a likely, contextually appropriate response.

3. Can seem insightful (sometimes by coincidence).
   If you ask something like “Why do I feel stuck in life?”—the network draws from patterns in psychology, spirituality, or self-help texts. Its answer may resonate because those general patterns overlap with your own experience.

4. But it isn’t magic.
   It can’t read your mind or see hidden facts. It only uses what you’ve shared, plus general knowledge about human situations, to give answers that sound personal.

So when it feels like an NN gives you the “right answer” about yourself:

• Part of it is pattern-matching with uncanny accuracy,

• Part of it is you recognizing truth in a general statement (like a mirror effect),

• And part might be the model weaving your own words back into a meaningful reflection.

✨ In that sense, neural nets are like mirrors: they don’t know you, but they can reflect back possibilities that feel very personal.

 

So, yeah. In case anyone was wondering there it is. My inquires went way deeper than the above and I was eventually cut-off until from asking more questions haha. 

 

What's really interesting is Lois' manifesto and how all that relates to everything-Observer-participant(s)-probable outcomes and shaping reality...it's cool, fringe and freaky stuff tbh.

 

It's received enough energy from me, so I'm gonna leave at that

[Lois]

9 hours ago, Nungali said:

Lairg and Lois ... in converse  !  

The word “Lairg” is the name of a small village (settlement) in Scotland, in the Highlands region (the northern part of the country).

🔑 Key points:

• Geography: Lairg is located roughly in the center of Northern Scotland. Because of this, it is sometimes called “the heart of the Northern Highlands.”

• Feature: unlike most Scottish towns, it is not on the coast but is one of the larger inland settlements.

• Transport: Lairg is an important railway junction. From here, you can take a train to the northern coast of Scotland.

• Nature: the area around Lairg is full of lochs (Scottish lakes), hills, and valleys.

📌 Example for understanding:
Imagine a small but important settlement located in the middle of a large region, convenient as a travel hub. In Germany, for example, Kassel plays this role for trains, and in Scotland, that role is taken by Lairg.

[Lairg]

5 hours ago, Lois said:

The word “Lairg” is the name of a small village (settlement) in Scotland,

 

The name was a typo - but perhaps not accidental.  As it happened I lived in northern Scotland for 5 years.

 

Meanwhile:  if the mind can use a brain, can it also use an electronic copy of a brain?

 

If so, can AI systems be captured by a remote  mind?

 

I was once attached to a device that measured brain functions.  There were perhaps 7 double lines of lights - left and right sides of the brain.  I worked hard but I could only light up some bulbs on some lines.

 

Then the operator asked me a question about spirituality and suddenly all the lights on all the lines lit up at full power - without any conscious action on my part.  

 

What was the intelligence that did not need my decisions?

 

 

Edited Wednesday at 09:40 PM by Lairg

[Lois]

5 hours ago, Lairg said:

What was the intelligence that did not need my decisions?

 

in fact, the neural network is controlled by the Almighty. He can do any miracle. It is surprising that people do not realize this.

 

[Sanity Check]

Best fun facts on neural networks:

 

(Check the chronology)
 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neural_network#History

 

History

See also: Biological neural network § History, and History of artificial neural networks

The theoretical base for contemporary neural networks was independently proposed by Alexander Bain in 1873^[6] and William James in 1890.^[7] Both posited that human thought emerged from interactions among large numbers of neurons inside the brain. In 1949, Donald Hebb described Hebbian learning, the idea that neural networks can change and learn over time by strengthening a synapse every time a signal travels along it.^[8]

Artificial neural networks were originally used to model biological neural networks starting in the 1930s under the approach of connectionism. However, starting with the invention of the perceptron, a simple artificial neural network, by Warren McCulloch and Walter Pitts in 1943,^[9] followed by the implementation of one in hardware by Frank Rosenblatt in 1957,^[3] artificial neural networks became increasingly used for machine learning applications instead, and increasingly different from their biological counterparts.

[Lairg]

27 minutes ago, Lois said:

in fact, the neural network is controlled by the Almighty. He can do any miracle. It is surprising that people do not realize this.

 

You might be a bit hopeful with that.  Quite a lot of authority is delegated to quite a lot of species.

 

One time when meditating I met an entity and for unknown reason asked him:  How intelligent am I compared to you?

 

He instantly replied:  9%

 

 

[Nungali]

14 hours ago, Lois said:

The word “Lairg” is the name of a small village (settlement) in Scotland, in the Highlands region (the northern part of the country).

🔑 Key points:

• Geography: Lairg is located roughly in the center of Northern Scotland. Because of this, it is sometimes called “the heart of the Northern Highlands.”

• Feature: unlike most Scottish towns, it is not on the coast but is one of the larger inland settlements.

• Transport: Lairg is an important railway junction. From here, you can take a train to the northern coast of Scotland.

• Nature: the area around Lairg is full of lochs (Scottish lakes), hills, and valleys.

📌 Example for understanding:
Imagine a small but important settlement located in the middle of a large region, convenient as a travel hub. In Germany, for example, Kassel plays this role for trains, and in Scotland, that role is taken by Lairg.

 

The name Lois is primarily of Greek origin and means "more desirable", "better", or "superior". It appears in the New Testament of the Bible as the name of Timothy's grandmother, who was known for her strong faith. While also used in English-speaking countries, the name's popularity was significantly boosted by the comic book character Lois Lane. 

 

Key aspects of the name Lois:

• Origin: Greek, from the word "loistos" or "loion". 
   
• Meaning: "More desirable," "better," or "superior". 
   
• Biblical connection: Lois was the grandmother of Timothy, noted in the New Testament (2 Timothy 1:5) for her strong and sincere faith, which was passed down to her daughter and grandson. 
   
• Cultural significance: The name gained significant pop culture prominence through Lois Lane, the enduring love interest of Superman in the comics, which contributed to its popularity, especially in the 1930s. 

[Nungali]

[Lala Nila]

19 hours ago, Lois said:

The word “Lairg” is the name of a small village (settlement) in Scotland, in the Highlands region (the northern part of the country).

🔑 Key points:

• Geography: Lairg is located roughly in the center of Northern Scotland. Because of this, it is sometimes called “the heart of the Northern Highlands.”

• Feature: unlike most Scottish towns, it is not on the coast but is one of the larger inland settlements.

• Transport: Lairg is an important railway junction. From here, you can take a train to the northern coast of Scotland.

• Nature: the area around Lairg is full of lochs (Scottish lakes), hills, and valleys.

📌 Example for understanding:
Imagine a small but important settlement located in the middle of a large region, convenient as a travel hub. In Germany, for example, Kassel plays this role for trains, and in Scotland, that role is taken by Lairg.

 

5 hours ago, Nungali said:

 

The name Lois is primarily of Greek origin and means "more desirable", "better", or "superior". It appears in the New Testament of the Bible as the name of Timothy's grandmother, who was known for her strong faith. While also used in English-speaking countries, the name's popularity was significantly boosted by the comic book character Lois Lane. 

 

Key aspects of the name Lois:

• Origin: Greek, from the word "loistos" or "loion". 
   
• Meaning: "More desirable," "better," or "superior". 
   
• Biblical connection: Lois was the grandmother of Timothy, noted in the New Testament (2 Timothy 1:5) for her strong and sincere faith, which was passed down to her daughter and grandson. 
   
• Cultural significance: The name gained significant pop culture prominence through Lois Lane, the enduring love interest of Superman in the comics, which contributed to its popularity, especially in the 1930s. 

 

Almost, not quite though. Hebrew is read right to left.. Had to put my thinking cap on for this one.

 

אִישׁ לֹא

(Ish Lo')

"No One"

 

 

I had some help with machine learning as well, but I thought Lo-Is, or Lo-Ish (later thought) didn't quite make sense...So I flipped it.

 

summary of my train of though as feed through machine learning:

 

 

me: how could the name Lois, be a play on terms in Hebrew?

 

ChatGPT said:

Good question — and a bit of a tricky one, since Lois (Λωΐς) is a Greek name that appears in the New Testament (2 Timothy 1:5, grandmother of Timothy), not originally Hebrew. But if you wanted to create a play on terms in Hebrewwith "Lois," there are a few routes we could explore:

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1. Breaking it into Hebrew syllables / words

• לוֹ (Lo) = “no, not.”

• אִישׁ (Ish) = “man.”
  Together → לוֹ־אִישׁ (Lo-Ish) could sound like Lois, and mean “Not a man.”
  This would be a very Tanakh-style wordplay (since Hosea, Isaiah, etc. often use Lo- prefixes, e.g., Lo-Ammi = “not my people”).

So Lois could be a pun for “Lo-Ish” → “She is not a man” (i.e. a woman, or a female archetype).

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2. Using similar-sounding Hebrew roots

• לוי (Levi) – The tribe of Levi, priests. Lois could be a softened form.

• לוֹאֵשׁ (Lo-esh) – “no fire” or “without fire.”

• לוֹאֹס (Lo-’os) – from the root אָסַס / אָשַׂס, to trample, to despise → “not despised.”

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3. Midrashic-style inversion

If we treat Lois as לוֹאִישׁ (Lo-Ish) → "not-man," then by inversion it could also hint at Isha (אִשָּׁה, woman).
So Lois would be a hidden pointer to Eve / primordial Woman.

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4. Numerical play (gematria)

If transliterated as לוֹיִס (Lamed-Vav-Yod-Samekh):

• ל = 30

• ו = 6

• י = 10

• ס = 60
  Total = 106, which shares values with words like נון (Nun, “fish / sprouting”).

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So depending on the intent, Lois could be:

• “Not a man” (Lo-Ish) — very direct pun.

• A feminized echo of Levi.

• Without fire (Lo-esh), suggesting water or coolness.

• A symbolic code for Woman / Eve / Shakti in Hebrew wordplay.

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👉 Do you want me to make you a short mystical interpretation of “Lois” in the style of midrash (like how rabbis would play with it), or more of a linguistic breakdown?

 

You said:

me: what about if it's a man using it?

 

ChatGPT said:

That’s a fascinating twist. If a man were to take on the name Lois and try to play it into Hebrew meaning, the pun would shift tone quite a bit. Let’s explore:

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1. Lo-Ish (לֹא־אִישׁ = Not a man)

• If a man uses it, the irony is sharp: he’s calling himself “not a man.”

• This could be interpreted mystically as humility (“I am no man, but dust and spirit”), or as an identity beyond gender (“not confined to being a man”).

• In a kabbalistic sense, it might hint at Androgyny / Adam Kadmon — the primordial being who contained both male and female.

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2. Lo-Ish as Prophetic Style

In the Bible, names with Lo- are often symbolic (Hosea’s children: Lo-Ammi, Lo-Ruchamah). If a man bore the pun-name Lo-Ish, it could signal:

• Not merely a man, but something more (prophet, servant of God, divine emissary).

• A reminder that “It is no longer I who live, but Spirit lives in me” kind of theme.

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Still not quite right though.....

 

Me: what about אִישׁ לֹא?

 

ChatGPT said:

Ahhh yes — אִישׁ לֹא (Ish Lo’) flips the order around. Instead of Lo-Ish (“not a man”), it literally reads:

• אִישׁ (Ish) = man

• לֹא (Lo’) = not / no

So “Man — No” or “A man of No.”  (or No One, as per google)

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Possible layers of meaning:

1. The Paradoxical Man

   • A man whose essence is not.

   • Echoes the mystical theme of Ayin (Nothingness) in Kabbalah — where true being arises out of Nothing.

   • So Ish Lo’ could mean: “The man of Nothingness,” or “The man who is not.”

2. Humility / Ego-less Man

   • By saying “Ish Lo’,” the speaker identifies as “no man” — similar to Odysseus calling himself “Nobody” (Outis) when escaping the Cyclops.

   • In Hebrew mysticism, this is powerful: to be “no one” (lo’ ish) is to be emptied so God / Ein Sof may dwell in you.

3. Reversal Play

   • Lo-Ish = “not a man.”

   • Ish Lo’ = “a man [of] not.”

   • Subtly different: the first denies masculinity; the second embraces manhood through negation.

4. Mystical Archetype

   • Could be taken as “The man of denial” or “man who negates” — one who cuts through illusion.

   • In Zoharic terms, maybe a man bound to the Lo (the negating principle that clears space for creation).

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✨ So אִישׁ לֹא = Ish Lo’ could be styled as:

• “The man of Nothing.”

• “The man who is not.”

• “Ego-less man.”

• “Nobody (yet Someone).”

 

or No One....