what does this mean, "form is emptiness and emptiness is form"

[stirling]

15 hours ago, Lairg said:

The Absolute has always retreated before me.

 

I conclude that the Absolute is a label for the limit of human perception.

 

It is and it isn't, but yes, good point. I'd say it is at the limit of seeing as a "person". The Absolute is seeing as awareness.... being-ness of unity.

[BigSkyDiamond]

1 hour ago, stirling said:

So you are positing a 3rd "location" for special categories of "things". Where would this be exactly? In my experience all of that fits into either the Absolute or the Relative. Anything that isn't manifested is a construction of the mind.

 

What is meant here by  "anything that isn't manifested."  Does that mean not in physical form? What are the parameters for "manifested."  for my understanding.  Thank you.

 

1 hour ago, stirling said:

I'm not sure what you mean here. Would you mind clarifying?

 

17 hours ago, BigSkyDiamond said:

There is nothing beyond the Absolute but we can experience whatever we experience as the absolute without the density and incompatibility and limitations of "the universe and everything in it."

 

Playing in a different sandbox.  With different parameters than the parameters that restrict limit define and confine the "universe and everything in it" (time, space, form, density)

 

at the level of the human, a person has free choice what to experience, within the limitations of being a physical human.  Those limitations and parameters which  restrict the choices available for a human include time, space, and form within a dense physical universe.  

 

at the level of the Absolute there is also free choice (through intention) what to "experience" however Beingness is also able to set the limiting or defining parameters for an experience.  The Absolute can "experience" without the specific parameters that confine "the universe and everything in it" (without time space form density).  With different parameters.  or with no parameters.

 

the only "real" is the Absolute.  all "experience" that flows from the Absolute (intention of Beingness outpictured) is "not real" in the sense that it is an illusory construct.  Is  that how "relative" is being used in this conversation?  if so then i agree.  (I tend to think in terms of what is "real" compared to what is an "illusory construct.")  The attributes or characteristics determine what is "real" (Beingness, the Absolute, Source) so unborn unformed uncreated unchanging unlimited always was always will be no form no space no time.  (But use of the word "real" can cause confusion in discussion so that is not always a helpful word for me to use for clarifying.")  I think i am seeing now how "relative" is being used and yes i agree.

 

for instance in the human framework of reincarnation and karma it is seen as a repetitive cycle, but there is a way to step off that cycle and stop reincarnating at all and completely exit the "universe and everything in it."  It is stepping outside those parameters (time space form) entirely never to return (to the universe and everything in it).  The "universe and everything in it" is recognized as illusory.  I stop experiencing that.  Instead i experience something else.  with different parameters or with no parameters.

 

Edited 20 hours ago by BigSkyDiamond