Horse Stance And Stretching The Lower Body Builds Jing?

[Annnon]

I always knew that horse stance burned Jing because of the stress the body goes through.

 

What are your thoughts on this? And what about the stretching part, doest it also builds jing?

[markern]

Are you talking about building or burning? Because you mention both.

[Annnon]

On 13/05/2025 at 3:10 AM, markern said:

Are you talking about building or burning? Because you mention both.

 

I'm talking about burning when I mention the horse stance, I think it burns jing, but maybe it builds jing, so this is my first question - Does horse stance builds or burns jing?

 

And the second question is about stretching the lower body(legs), does it build jing by stretching?

[RobB]

Depends what you mean by 'jing'. I think you could say that ma bu (horse stance) practice develops the jing if you mean jing as the connected tissue network of the body. ma bu practice can develop a 'stretchy' sort of feeling in the body. Ma bu burns because it's painful :-)

[Master Logray]

Stretching won't help Jing directly, but indirectly it creates overall well-beings that is beneficial to Jing, Chi, Shen.  Jing is more from conservation. 

[yugenphoenix]

On 5/22/2025 at 12:09 PM, Master Logray said:

Stretching won't help Jing directly, but indirectly it creates overall well-beings that is beneficial to Jing, Chi, Shen.  Jing is more from conservation. 

By “conservation” do you mean sexual restraint of orgasm? Not losing JING by not emitting semen? 

Edited August 14 by yugenphoenix

[Master Logray]

4 hours ago, yugenphoenix said:

By “conservation” do you mean sexual restraint of orgasm? Not losing JING by not emitting semen? 

 

Taoist concept is that Jing Chi Shen exist in different levels.    The lowest level is body fluid.   Conservation applies in everything.   That means firstly you should not over exert yourself,  physically, emotionally, sexually, financially, academically, philanthropically  etc.  Better still is to keep a margin, say 80% of your maximum capabilities.  It applies to everything all the time.   Sexual restraint of orgasm is more on sexual health.   If you indulge on these sexual/health techniques, you cannot conserve Jing too.  

[yugenphoenix]

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Conservation applies in everything.

Yes! This is why asked the way I did…I spent so many years chasing JING thru sexual energy and techniques and it’s pointless. We need to create the “backward flow” of energy thru conservation on ALL levels, not just the physical gross level and expect the process to work. 
 

And for ALL the good Daobums has done for the myself and the cultivation community over the years, it has led me and so many down the path of pursuing energy, advancement, and growth by chasing our tails thru our front when all we had to do was really nothing, and to ALLOW our bodies to build up the needed energy by focusing inward and not letting it “flow out” whether that is thru our minds, our emotions, or our penises. 

Edited Wednesday at 04:51 PM by yugenphoenix

[Lala Nila]

 I personally find Horse stance immensely beneficial not only to energetic practices but to overall stamina, muscle building and maintenance. I also like swimming dragon a lot as well, but I think that is more geared towards women, though I'm not sure.

[yugenphoenix]

3 hours ago, Lala Nila said:

 I personally find Horse stance immensely beneficial not only to energetic practices but to overall stamina, muscle building and maintenance. I also like swimming dragon a lot as well, but I think that is more geared towards women, though I'm not sure.

Absolutely agree! 😁

 

Mabu is my foundational stance and the root of both building and circulating energy deeply IMO. If there was only on practice or stance I’d recommend someone do it’s horse stance. But only if you are in proper, aligned posture and position and deeply deeply learn to relax it in, will it work. It’s like a circuit and if there is an area of wiring blocked it runs hot and starts a fire, not enough current and nothing happens. Of course in person in best, but I have made huge, personal breakthroughs studying this material https://ckchutaichi.com

 

And I have this book, which seems excellent! I gave it to my wife, who is getting much more interested in finding internal, energetic practice I believe as she gets older like me but it didn’t seem like it attracted her…that is no worries as there is no hurry. You are always practicing and exploring consciousness and siddhis but people are so busy being distracted by the outside, illusionary Maya (especially today with social media control so rampant) they are like fish who won’t believe ANYONE that tells them they live in water 😉  And yes I agree the Swimming Dragon 🐉 form feels energetically that it’s slanted toward the Mysterious Female 🙂

https://www.amazon.com/Swimming-Dragon-Chinese-Fitness-Beautiful/dp/0882680633/ref=sr_1_1?crid=3LXITNMQJSEZW&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.kYOAavV9ArkXAWqVUE7NsivLJOp8FlZ83V_0X17pIv5xpj_xBaOCKA6zdG766L-vsdQjZAOduzravb02ASdcmJHumrGwd4eBV55QxWqF9W99PhGaI3FbyXFxiX5P587fOp-gTJvdiRmAN7NKWLmBvZK5d4wtY-UQESzP6vwkCivHiEwpoB2qF_JtB-yLZRF8urg0y3z9kM2Nz2HwSsIKQRoh3JYNCdvno1ZQ97vbKdWCvuSZYK3VlmX_u33bBtVTaNnuAfFhpexvE5oFpg93t2pxLVBggod0vzBPBUef7xs.dDSP8P0JeQJ9QdCYdOoIVBhKaCTUQG1pH-RzlMxtNH0&dib_tag=se&keywords=Swimming+dragon&qid=1755728699&sprefix=swimming+drago%2Caps%2C476&sr=8-1

 

All the best to you and your practice 🙇🏻🙏

 

 

 

 

Edited Wednesday at 10:33 PM by yugenphoenix

[Lala Nila]

6 minutes ago, yugenphoenix said:

Absolutely agree! 😁

 

Mabu is my foundational stance and the root of both building and circulating energy deeply IMO. If there was only on practice or stance I’d recommend someone do it’s horse stance. But only if you are in proper, aligned posture and position and deeply deeply learn to relax it in, will it work. It’s like a circuit and if there is an area of wiring blocked it runs hot and starts a fire, not enough current and nothing happens. Of course in person in best, but I have made huge, personal breakthroughs studying this material https://ckchutaichi.com

 

And I have this book, which seems excellent! I gave it to my wife, who is getting much more interested in finding internal, energetic practice I believe as she gets older like me but it didn’t seem like it attracted her…that is no worries as there is no hurry. You are always practicing and exploring consciousness and siddhis but people are so busy being distracted by the outside, illusionary Maya (especially today with social media control so rampant) they are like fish who won’t believe ANYONE that tells them they live in water 😉  And yes I agree the Swimming Dragon 🐉 form feels energetically that it’s slanted toward the Mysterious Female 🙂

https://www.amazon.com/Swimming-Dragon-Chinese-Fitness-Beautiful/dp/0882680633/ref=sr_1_1?crid=3LXITNMQJSEZW&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.kYOAavV9ArkXAWqVUE7NsivLJOp8FlZ83V_0X17pIv5xpj_xBaOCKA6zdG766L-vsdQjZAOduzravb02ASdcmJHumrGwd4eBV55QxWqF9W99PhGaI3FbyXFxiX5P587fOp-gTJvdiRmAN7NKWLmBvZK5d4wtY-UQESzP6vwkCivHiEwpoB2qF_JtB-yLZRF8urg0y3z9kM2Nz2HwSsIKQRoh3JYNCdvno1ZQ97vbKdWCvuSZYK3VlmX_u33bBtVTaNnuAfFhpexvE5oFpg93t2pxLVBggod0vzBPBUef7xs.dDSP8P0JeQJ9QdCYdOoIVBhKaCTUQG1pH-RzlMxtNH0&dib_tag=se&keywords=Swimming+dragon&qid=1755728699&sprefix=swimming+drago%2Caps%2C476&sr=8-1

 

All the best to you and your practice 🙇🏻🙏

 

 

 

 

 

Thank you so much for these links and reply. I really appreciate you taking the time to provide that information. I feel there is not too many texts out there that are specific to women and internal alchemy. 

 

I feel like I'm in my element when practising Swimming Dragon, it's almost ethereal. The movements are so graceful. I often do it at the beach, early in the morning. Some people look at me weirdly, but honestly I don't care at all- just like those elderly ladies practising Tai Chi in the park.

 

Thank you, all the best to you and your wife as well.

[yugenphoenix]

46 minutes ago, Lala Nila said:

 

Thank you so much for these links and reply. I really appreciate you taking the time to provide that information. I feel there is not too many texts out there that are specific to women and internal alchemy. 

 

I feel like I'm in my element when practising Swimming Dragon, it's almost ethereal. The movements are so graceful. I often do it at the beach, early in the morning. Some people look at me weirdly, but honestly I don't care at all- just like those elderly ladies practising Tai Chi in the park.

 

Thank you, all the best to you and your wife as well.

No problem at all and thank you 🙏 🙂 So glad you have a practice that FEELS good to you and brings you such joy! Run with it! Dig deep. Saying “in my element” and “ethereal” says it all 😁

 

Practice on the beach must be amazing! Such great deep tidal chi forces and currents at work to imbue your Self with energetically and immerse in it. Wind, water, earth, sun, or moon the elements 😉

 

And agree not much published for women’s Nei gong and Nei Dan for sure ☹️ I looked deeply and found not much for my wife. There is a book by Damo Mitchell I think 🤔 I realize there are clearly many less internal female teachings because of the misogynistic slant of many traditional cultures but it’s disappointing so few texts of value are found for sure. 

 

But seriously avoid the female Mantak Chia book and all that BS…if you know the history of Daobums at all then you know that’s not helpful information for most people. I also remember printing my wife a pretty decent text called something like “Women’s Neidan” but not sure. I’ll poke around for it for you 🙏

Edited Wednesday at 11:32 PM by yugenphoenix

[Lala Nila]

7 minutes ago, yugenphoenix said:

No problem at all and thank you 🙏 🙂 So glad you have a practice that FEELS good to you and brings you such joy! Run with it! Dig deep. Saying “in my element” and “ethereal” says it all 😁

 

Practice on the beach must be amazing! Such great deep tidal chi forces and currents at work to imbue your Self with energetically and immerse in it. Wind, water, earth, sun, or moon the elements 😉

 

And agree not much published for women’s Nei gong and Nei Dan for sure ☹️ I looked deeply and found not much for my wife. There is a book by Damo Mitchell I think 🤔 I realize there are clearly many less internal female teachings because of the misogynistic slant of many traditional cultures but it’s disappointing so few texts of value are found for sure. 

 

But seriously avoid the female Mantak Chia book and all that BS…if you know the history of Daobums at all then you know that’s not helpful information for most people. I also remember printing my wife a pretty decent text called something like “Women’s Neidan” but not sure. I’ll poke around for it for you 🙏

 

Yes, I agree. Pretty great and pertinent advice in this reply thanks. I have Damo's wife's book (Daoist Neigong For Women) and practice most of the techniques therein, but it lacks a bibliography and no clues for furthering practice. Yes, the misogyny is a little frustrating especially considering one of the eight immortals was an actual (confirmed) female.

 

I have avoided Mantak Chia and all his books, so no worries there.

 

thanks again

 

[yugenphoenix]

Here’s the Neidan for women PDF I remember printing for my wife…unfortunately at the time I was practicing “Mantak-deluded like/inspired” practices and now I recall I got her the female Mantak book and this🤦🏻 Thank god it never jived with her 😅

 

It’s disappointing but thought I’d share it anyway with you, ignore the occasional Jade egg 😝 but even if ONE idea or the inspiration of a way to go with your personal practice is found to you in it, it’s worth it to peruse. I read it a long time ago and just glanced at it today saw the Jade egg and Mantak as one of the sources and thought 😑

 

(Swimming Dragon is another source though and it encourages women to practice it! 😁) 

 

 

 

 

Final-Draft-Paper-for-Neidan-Conference-05_17_101.pdf

Edited 7 hours ago by yugenphoenix