"Indian Sunset"

[old3bob]

 

Btw, "Custer died for your sins" or the sins of many of our ancestors but not by a long shot times millions!!

 

Edited February 15 by old3bob

[old3bob]

so we can post on genocide related to native peoples but OMG not on the forms of genocide against all American peoples going on now 24/7,

 

stranger things indeed!

[stirling]

I hope you know that the admins here are not your enemies. We don't all have huge amounts of free time to read, evaluate, and respond to EVERY post. Our hope is for a thoughtful, frictionless exchange of ideas in a peaceable, kindly spoken environment.

 

Most of the threads and posts that get looked into are reported. If you see one that needs attention, please report it. If you feel you need to create one that needs attention, please don't.

 

-

 

Are you OK, Bob? Do you have anyone you can talk to about your feelings around what is going on in the world? You seem to be really struggling. Feel free to PM me if you need to check in with someone. _/\_

 

 

[old3bob]

19 hours ago, stirling said:

I hope you know that the admins here are not your enemies. We don't all have huge amounts of free time to read, evaluate, and respond to EVERY post. Our hope is for a thoughtful, frictionless exchange of ideas in a peaceable, kindly spoken environment.

 

Most of the threads and posts that get looked into are reported. If you see one that needs attention, please report it. If you feel you need to create one that needs attention, please don't.

 

Are you OK, Bob? Do you have anyone you can talk to about your feelings around what is going on in the world? You seem to be really struggling. Feel free to PM me if you need to check in with someone. _/\_

 

"really struggling"?  ask the millions who are really struggling with living and dying under a dictatorship where ever they may be and those Americans who are suffering under our destructively driven madman in power.  Do you watch the news or are you above it all?

 

[zerostao]

o3b, i absolutely relate, even if, our perspectives on the surface differ, at a deeper layer, we rage against the same madness. imo

 

I find solace in the rejection of the mainstream, especially the news feeds, those 'talking heads' you mention from time to time.

Fuck that noise they make. it's just corporate mind fuckery. 

I've listened to the tightening of the screws for decades, as you have. it is no coincidence that all these annoyances, crimes, bombard us 24/7, it is an orchestrated effort dictated by those who own the politicians, politicians of all stripes, be they drink red koolaid or blue.

 

your empathy will devour you, unless, you make some energetic adjustments. IMO

i'm not sure if you make music or art? i highly recommend you consider and dive into creative endeavors.

 

 

There are Higher Ones than the criminals who own the politicians and a reckoning will occur.

When Short Bull, Kicking Bear, & their family visited me, early 2009, presenting that small Spruce treeling, they were filled with Joy.

so, don't worry about them. they are Well. The Ghost Dance Prophecy will come to be. there will be Return.

 

Spoiler

 

 

maybe keep  a little turquoise close

 

my refuge is in the counter culture, bohemian, blended with cowboy & hippie, art

Beware of Babylon

[stirling]

3 hours ago, old3bob said:

Do you watch the news or are you above it all?

 
I know what is happening, and have friends that I discuss it with, mostly in broad terms. Having people to constructively talk to is a real luxury.

 

Listening to Canadian radio (CBC 1) and BBC World Service instead of our media has been helpful.

 

I make a difference where the local and temporal conditions make it possible, focusing on individuals primarily.

 

I don’t worry about what I can’t respond to - that way lies madness, in my opinion.

[stirling]

Bob,

 

I've hidden your post because it violates board policy. You know why. We limited this type of conversation partially because of your comments and complaints about it, now it is YOU who are actively working to create anger and dissension. Stop creating work for the admins. Please recognize and honor the fact that we have acted on your complaints. If you can't help yourself, take a break. Or, perhaps post where it is appropriate... there are countless places to comment on this topic and read about it if you need an outlet. 

 

This is the last friendly warning. I just looked - you have zero warning points. Let's keep it that way. The next step will be a temporary ban.

 

Please, let's not do that. 

[old3bob]

 

"I know what is happening", do tell?

 

(What does kumbaya mean in American slang:

In recent years, however, kumbaya has become a term of derision, having been associated with what are considered naïve and unrealistic attitudes of peace, harmony, and cooperation.)

 

Edited April 22 by old3bob

[stirling]

16 minutes ago, old3bob said:

"I know what is happening", do tell?

 

I am awake and aware in this moment. That is the closest to reality you are going to get.

 

Beyond that, I read the news every morning. 

 

How do you know "what is happening"?

[liminal_luke]

On 21/4/2025 at 9:50 AM, zerostao said:

 

i'm not sure if you make music or art? i highly recommend you consider and dive into creative endeavors.

 

.    

When the world seems most broken, creating and appreciating beauty is a radical and revolutionary act.  

[Sherman Krebbs]

33 minutes ago, stirling said:

How do you know "what is happening"?

 

I hate to get betwixt the conversation, although this is perhaps a good question, which needn't deserve an answer and one which really cannot be obtained through any form of media, excepting perhaps that of ones own experience, and as much as I dislike headlines, I had a great dinner today.      

 

[Cobie]

1 hour ago, Sherman Krebbs said:

… I had a great dinner today.      

 But was it “Indian” food, eaten at “Sunset”? 

[Sherman Krebbs]

2 hours ago, Cobie said:

 But was it “Indian” food, eaten at “Sunset”? 

 

Nah, just curry and rice.  Although since you encouraged me go back read the original posting, the clip o3b posted is really worth listening to (I just did).  Elton John is a genius. 

[old3bob]

 

so go ahead and ban me for good, and have your censoring ways...

Btw, I don't  need  lecture or threats. 

Edited April 23 by old3bob

[zerostao]

20 hours ago, liminal_luke said:

.    

When the world seems most broken, creating and appreciating beauty is a radical and revolutionary act.  

 

And necessary 

[stirling]

11 hours ago, old3bob said:

so go ahead and ban me for good, and have your cowardly censoring ways...

Btw, I don't  need  a half baked condescending lecture or threats. 

 

I honestly don't WANT to ban you, and it isn't up to me anyway... we cycle these things through the admin group. Whether you are banned or not isn't about what I want or think, it is ultimately up to you. 

[old3bob]

we are not avoiding many repeats in varied forms! ....

Edited Saturday at 08:53 AM by old3bob

[doc benway]

I hear and feel you @old3bob

It is a difficult time. 

I have been experiencing intense reactivity - anger, fear, disappointment, frustration, despair, and the list goes on.

The emotions are more powerful and destabilizing than they have been in me in a very long time. 

They have shown me both strengths and vulnerabilities in myself and in my practice.

 

I wonder if there would be a place here for a thread where we can share how the current events are affecting us emotionally, psychologically, and physically without getting into discussing the politics per se?

Not sure it would work but perhaps it could in the Healing Bums area… I won’t start a thread yet but thought I’d float the idea.

I deeply respect the willingness of the mod team to try and keep the board civil and balanced and I don’t want to create more work but it would be nice to be able to offer each other some support in dark times. 

 

I have an account at Substack since being introduced to the community by @liminal_luke.

When I first joined it was a place where intellectuals would blog in fields like literature, philosophy, history, sciences, and so forth, and it was not very political. With the exodus of people from social media sites like X, Facebook, and the like, it has become a very active place for discussion of politics. It is a growing community fostering advocacy and resistance to current political and social trends, not only in the US but around the world. I mention this because you may find it worth checking out if are not familiar with it @old3bob. On the one hand, it can be a bit of a dark place to be and easy to get lost in the negativity, but on the other hand there is a lot of positivity, advocacy, and community building going on there and it is easy to find writings on many topics like art, literature, history, sciences, spirituality, and so forth. The contributions are far more substantive, with less argument and derision, than what is posted on other social media sites.

 

I appreciate @liminal_luke’s message reminding and encouraging us to find and share beauty, and I’ll add kindness, in hard times. It is never more important and never more difficult than when times are tough. As things get darker and more threatening, I think it is important to try and maintain an open heart for each other, especially for those who may be trying to deconstruct and find a way back to the light. Now is the time for taking care of the body, spirit, and mind, as we will need our health, strength, and resilience to face what is here and what is coming. I’ve recently lost another friend and fellow practitioner, Sarah, to cancer and I’m just coming from a group practice in her memory. The reality of impermanence is vivid and alive in me at the moment. It is a reminder that what I have even, or perhaps especially, now is worth honoring and fighting for. 

 

Anyway, enough rambling. 

Warm regards to you all.

 

 

[liminal_luke]

7 hours ago, doc benway said:

 

I wonder if there would be a place here for a thread where we can share how the current events are affecting us emotionally, psychologically, and physically without getting into discussing the politics per se?

Not sure it would work but perhaps it could in the Healing Bums area… I won’t start a thread yet but thought I’d float the idea.

I deeply respect the willingness of the mod team to try and keep the board civil and balanced and I don’t want to create more work but it would be nice to be able to offer each other some support in dark times. 

 

 

I like the idea of a thread for sharing personal reactions to politics and societal change generally.  Not sure if it would work either, but there´s certainly the need for it.  Was talking with my mom the other day and mentioned how glad I am to be in my late 50s instead of, say, 22.  Reportedly, younger people these days are struggling mightily with mental health issues -- and can you blame them?  Baring tremendous medical advances and lots of broccoli, it´s unlikely I´ll be around to witness what things will be like in 2075. I can´t say I´m mad about that; given current trends, 2075 doesn´t look good.  So I don´t blame the young people of today, who might be around then, for feeling a little sour.  

Edited Saturday at 11:13 PM by liminal_luke

[old3bob]

 

I'd say it's not really possible to get into current events without getting into politics,  just like it's not really possible to get into "spiritual" practices without getting into spiritual principles.  It is said that that one of greatest forms of progress for goodness is when  great evil is transmuted.  (including the aspect of, "if it doesn't kill you it will make you stronger")  But the situations in many parts of this world are so way off balance that evil is having a perfect storm of pushing its ways.  A perfect storm that results in suffering and murder per hellish beings that are penetrating the Earth realm with lots of success and also influencing human beings.  (some scoff at such an idea, although such has been going on for ages)  Thankfully evil has no lasting root and will not prevail but will destroy all it can as it fails. 

(as much of history shows)

 

 

Edited 16 hours ago by old3bob