Soul in Buddhism

[Tommy]

12 hours ago, Lairg said:

 

Can the heart watch thoughts?

Does your heart have awareness? What is the function of the heart? It pushes blood thru out the body so the body can have oxygen to process a living function. Are you aware of the actions the heart makes thru out the day? Can the heart remember the events of the day? I am sorry but I do not understand the question. When you say heart, what are you referring to? The muscle in your chest?

[Lairg]

When we say a person is "good hearted" or "open hearted" or "hard hearted" we are not referring to the physical heart.

 

We are referring to a spiritual relationship

[Cobie]

 

 

11 hours ago, Haribol said:

…  the very excistence of thoughts confuse me a bit. … Who is talking to who …

We have two brain halves.

 

11 hours ago, Haribol said:

why would I need to tell myself anything? …

It takes 2 vantage points to create perspective.

 

11 hours ago, Haribol said:

and am I the thinker or the one that listen to the thoughts, or both?

 

Neither. You are the soul that oversees the two brain halves.

 

 

[Tommy]

5 hours ago, Lairg said:

When we say a person is "good hearted" or "open hearted" or "hard hearted" we are not referring to the physical heart.

 

We are referring to a spiritual relationship

So, this spiritual relationship, does it have a memory? Does it have eyes? Does it feel? Can it sense whatever you sense? If it can do this then it can watch thoughts. But, to me, I have yet to find this spiritual relationship. Where does it sit? Does it reside in the heart? Or does it reside in the brain? Or is this open hearted and good hearted stuff just an attribute of this ego or personality?

 

[Lairg]

54 minutes ago, Tommy said:

I have yet to find this spiritual relationship. Where does it sit? Does it reside in the heart?

 

As you know men are strongly physical and mental while females are strongly emotional and potentially heart-centered.

 

Generally men need to get their thoughts under partial control before they have much access to heart processes.

 

Technically:  there is a vertical stream of Light that produces consciousness in the brain and generates life force and spiritual purpose in the heart.

 

The anchoring of that stream in the heart is shown in Roman Catholic depictions as a flame.  It occurs in all standard format humans.

 

There can be many interferences with that vertical flow of Light.

 

 

[Tommy]

23 minutes ago, Lairg said:

Technically:  there is a vertical stream of Light that produces consciousness in the brain and generates life force and spiritual purpose in the heart.

 

The anchoring of that stream in the heart is shown in Roman Catholic depictions as a flame.  It occurs in all standard format humans.

 

There can be many interferences with that vertical flow of Light.

Sorry, I have never had that experience of seeing a vertical stream of light. Supposedly it produces consciousness in the brain and generates life force and spiritual purpose in the heart. I do not believe it is a phenomenon which is commonly experienced. Sorry, you have lost me.

[Lairg]

1 hour ago, Tommy said:

 I do not believe it is a phenomenon which is commonly experienced.

 

As far as I remember everyone that I asked to  look for that Light could see it.

 

Inner sight requires accumulation of the relevant energy-substance and formulating that into a sense organ.  Visualization practices are important in developing that skill.

[justjoseph]

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Edited February 10 by justjoseph

[Tommy]

9 hours ago, Lairg said:

As far as I remember everyone that I asked to  look for that Light could see it.

 

Inner sight requires accumulation of the relevant energy-substance and formulating that into a sense organ.  Visualization practices are important in developing that skill.

Sounds you live inside a cult of some kind. Everyone can see the same vertical white light. Guess you must have asked quite a few people. It must be nice to get that kind of validation.

 

Skipped the light Fandango. Turn the cartwheel 'cross the floor. I was feeling kinda seasick. The crowd called out for more. The room was humming harder. As the ceiling flew away. When we called out for another drink, the waiter brought a tray. And so it was that later, As the miller told his tale. That her face at first just ghostly, Turned a whiter shade of pale, She said there is no reason, And the truth is plain to see. That I wandered thru my playing cards. And would not let her be. One of sixteen vestal virgins. Who were leaving for the coast. And although my eyes were open, they might have well have been closed.

Edited Tuesday at 03:39 PM by Tommy

[Cobie]

 

 

9 hours ago, Tommy said:

… Fandango …

Fandango

Edited Tuesday at 09:36 PM by Cobie

[Lairg]

8 hours ago, Tommy said:

 Everyone can see the same vertical white light

 

No cult - just a suburban context.  Often there are external interferences in the flow - and I show the individuals how to deal with them.  And I watch their process. 

 

Removal of the interferences results in the people cheering up, standing straighter and looking brighter.

 

 

Edited Tuesday at 08:26 PM by Lairg

[Lairg]

8 hours ago, Tommy said:

although my eyes were open, they might have well have been closed.

 

Usually the sense of inner touch is developed before inner sight.  Thus most humans feel energies long before they can see them

Edited Tuesday at 08:25 PM by Lairg

[Tommy]

9 hours ago, Cobie said:

Fandango

Skip it. A lighter shade of pale.

Edited Wednesday at 01:09 AM by Tommy

[Gerard]

Not sure if I replied on this thread before but this is my take which clearly conflicts with the Buddhist view on the soul:

 

If there is no eternal soul then this reality wouldn't exist in the first place.

 

I firmly believe Buddha missed the mark here. No self doesn't equate to no consciousness because without one you and the entire reality you created wouldn't come to exist.

 

So I'm aligned with the Hindu & Taoist view in that regard even the latter doesn't touch subject directly.

 

Then nirvana also is a failed model since from my perspective nirvana only entails the end of the journeying, not the end of everything. Existence keeps on going for eternity for all of us beyond nirvana.

 

 

 

[justjoseph]

1 hour ago, Gerard said:

Not sure if I replied on this thread before but this is my take which clearly conflicts with the Buddhist view on the soul:

 

If there is no eternal soul then this reality wouldn't exist in the first place.

 

I firmly believe Buddha missed the mark here. No self doesn't equate to no consciousness because without one you and the entire reality you created wouldn't come to exist.

 

So I'm aligned with the Hindu & Taoist view in that regard even the latter doesn't touch subject directly.

 

Then nirvana also is a failed model since from my perspective nirvana only entails the end of the journeying, not the end of everything. Existence keeps on going for eternity for all of us beyond nirvana.

 

 

 

Imagine saying the man with no dust in his eyes, a teacher of gods and men, a perfected one with perfect wisdom would have "missed the mark" and that you, an unperfected one, a man with much dust in his eyes is able to discern something he was not. The level of arrogance this comment shows. 

What attainment have you reached in your vipassana training ? Arahantship ? surely it must be the highest level to think you know better than the perfected one.