Jasper Lake Maoshan (Jason Read Daoist Magic)

[Lairg]

Some years ago I saw a young woman at a spiritual meeting.  I recognized her body type:  tall, thin, willowy, with slightly ambiguous sexuality.  

 

So I asked her:  Do you like being a human?

 

Instantly she replied:  No!!

 

There was similar woman on the other side of the hall, so I tried the same question - and received an identical answer

 

The body type I recognized is common to tree spirits passing through the human race.  They are here to learn voice and intent in order to qualify as a higher deva.

 

Once I had a female clerk:  short, wide jaw, and a bit inclined to stamping her foot.

 

I did not think she was fully human and when I looked inwardly I saw her as a nature spirit with a volcano.   I did not say anything about that but one day was prompted to ask her:  what do you most like in the world?

 

She replied:  Watching things melt

 

 

Such beings passing through the human race often have difficulty embracing their humanness.  

Edited March 30 by Lairg

[Cobie]

12 hours ago, Lairg said:

I recognized her body type:  tall, thin, willowy, with slightly ambiguous sexuality.  

So I asked her:  Do you like being a human? Instantly she replied:  No!!

 

That's me to a tee. 

[Nuralshamal]

@johndoe2012

Thanks for sharing your personal experiences!

Deeply appreciated

Glad to hear about you and your mom's progress.

Family harmony is so important in so many ways.

All the best!

Cheers

[Nuralshamal]

Pretty interesting interview I saw today (link at the bottom).

She explains how self-cultivation and connecting to the universal energy will create spiritual abilities naturally through overflow and practice, as well as the blessing from the master.

She then compares it to deity possession and keeping spirits, and how this way of getting spiritual powers actually drains your jing, qi and shen over time.

So unless you know how to refill, you will shorten your own life span, decrease your vitality, decrease luck and wealth qi, and when whatever you're calling and relying on is done with you, it will move on to your family members and others close to you.

In short, more or less an explanation aligning very well with the visions I got earlier, which I shared a couple of days ago

Also makes sense compared to other Chinese masters like Zhongxian Wu (Master Wu), Chunyi Lin (Spring Forest Qigong) and Lie He (Ling Gui). They all look healthy and vital for their age. As does the woman in the interview I'm about to share (haven't stumbled across her before today - she's called Liu Xia). Also if you take a look at Tulku Lobsang Rinpoche who teaches tummo and is very focused on what he calls tantrayana and body-focused practices, he looks very healthy and radiant for his age.

Here's the interview, it's just 2-3 minutes.
 

Take heed my brothers and sisters, be mindful of cultivating your jing, qi and shen daily through qigong form an authentic lineage practice taught by a true master who radiates and exemplifies health, peace and vitality.

[johndoe2012]

4 hours ago, Nuralshamal said:

She explains how self-cultivation and connecting to the universal energy will create spiritual abilities naturally through overflow and practice, as well as the blessing from the master.

 

I was never that much focused on abilities except healing. I think besides healing then awakening / Truth is more important. 

 

Though it was Divine intention to give me martial abilities to fight off evil spirits which is quite cool.

 

Low jing is something to look out for. I can tell when spirits attach to my system and suck energy and then they get a kick. 

 

Edited March 31 by johndoe2012

[Lairg]

16 minutes ago, johndoe2012 said:

it was Divine intention to give me martial abilities to fight off evil spirits

 

Having had children I find it easier to stand above the battles.

 

With adverse spirits often it is easier to deal with their supervisors.  The supervisors typically regard those spirits as disposable, with unlimited replacements available.

 

The supervisor is usually regarded as disposable by his supervisor, so it may be necessary to go up some levels before finding a supervisor that objects to being disposed of.   Such a reluctant entity will often withdraw the attacking entities 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Lairg]

 

There is a broader aspect to spiritual practices:  they are usually done within the aura/patronage of a larger entity e.g. a gestalt or egregore. 

 

This means that actual practice is contained within the light body of an entity with its own intent and agenda.

 

Thus the identical  practice within the aura of another entity may have quite different results.

 

This is particularly important in this second version/incarnation of this solar system.

 

There are spiritual patrons that came across from the first solar system when our god was a god of intelligent energy.  Working within the aura of such a patron makes it difficult to learn the primary lessons of this version of the solar system where humans often say: our god is a god of love

 

A more correct statement is that the Entity that is using this solar system as  Its body of incarnation is learning right relationship.   Right relationship contains both the out-breath to separation and the in-breath to unity.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited April 3 by Lairg

[Chang dao ling]

On 3/31/2025 at 10:58 PM, Nuralshamal said:

Pretty interesting interview I saw today (link at the bottom).

She explains how self-cultivation and connecting to the universal energy will create spiritual abilities naturally through overflow and practice, as well as the blessing from the master.

She then compares it to deity possession and keeping spirits, and how this way of getting spiritual powers actually drains your jing, qi and shen over time.

So unless you know how to refill, you will shorten your own life span, decrease your vitality, decrease luck and wealth qi, and when whatever you're calling and relying on is done with you, it will move on to your family members and others close to you.

In short, more or less an explanation aligning very well with the visions I got earlier, which I shared a couple of days ago

Also makes sense compared to other Chinese masters like Zhongxian Wu (Master Wu), Chunyi Lin (Spring Forest Qigong) and Lie He (Ling Gui). They all look healthy and vital for their age. As does the woman in the interview I'm about to share (haven't stumbled across her before today - she's called Liu Xia). Also if you take a look at Tulku Lobsang Rinpoche who teaches tummo and is very focused on what he calls tantrayana and body-focused practices, he looks very healthy and radiant for his age.

Here's the interview, it's just 2-3 minutes.
 

Take heed my brothers and sisters, be mindful of cultivating your jing, qi and shen daily through qigong form an authentic lineage practice taught by a true master who radiates and exemplifies health, peace and vitality.

This is very interesting. Thanks for the video 

[Alfigar]

Has anyone tried the Mao Shan iniation as described in his book, "Practical Chinese Magic"? I am interested to see if its legit.

[Chang dao ling]

3 hours ago, Alfigar said:

Has anyone tried the Mao Shan iniation as described in his book, "Practical Chinese Magic"? I am interested to see if its legit.

Check this bro 

https://www.thedaobums.com/messenger/47026/?latest=1

[Alfigar]

3 hours ago, Chang dao ling said:

Check this bro 

https://www.thedaobums.com/messenger/47026/?latest=1

Hmm, its saying "I do not have permission to see it"

[Giles]

4 hours ago, Alfigar said:

Hmm, its saying "I do not have permission to see it"

 

Ditto ☹️

[Chang dao ling]

9 hours ago, Alfigar said:

Hmm, its saying "I do not have permission to see it"

Link is working for me. 

Send direct message to nuraishamal. He is the student of Jason 

[Chang dao ling]

4 hours ago, Giles said:

 

Ditto ☹️

Send direct message to nuraishamal. Ash him any questions you have he is student of Jason 

Edited May 20 by Chang dao ling

[Alfigar]

@Nuralshamal could you tell us a bit more about the lineage itself? If its safe and legit to connect to?

[Nuralshamal]

16 hours ago, Alfigar said:

@Nuralshamal could you tell us a bit more about the lineage itself? If its safe and legit to connect to?

I've gone through quite a change of heart throughout this thread to be honest.

I've been practicing daily without fail since I started - it's been 2 years now.

After 2 years of giving myself and my life, spending 30-120 minutes daily (sometimes longer( this is how I feel.

My advice would be:
1) firstly start practicing daily without fail under a true, real, authentic lineage under a true master (for qigong some I would vouch for would be Zhongxian Wu (Master Wu), Chunyi Lin (Spring Forest Qigong), Lie He (Ling Gui), Lu Xia and for Kundalini awakening and chakra empowerments I can vouch for Simplified Kundalini Yoga or SKY, I know many masters in the system, there are some in almost every country, so simply approach the nearest to you).
2) if after doing this real cultivation, acquiring the power to meditate, feel your life force as vibration, and heal yourself and others, you DON'T feel satisfied and still feel drawn to the occult, meaning rituals, magic, talismans etc, then you can do Jason Read's MaoShan primarily just for fun, knowledge and curiosity, but like I said, be careful about associating directly with Jason in a personal way, and I would never advice anyone to do it as a standalone system "as a spiritual path".

He doesn't call himself a master, he calls himself a student and primarily a translator, and I agree with him.

I'm sure MaoShan exists as a real and genuine path, with true masters, true powers and real cultivation, but after 2 years of daily practice my own personal experience is that it was fun, interesting, I learnt new things, so it was great for knowledge and entertainment, and there is of course some energy to be had from some of the practices if you do it daily, correctly and for a long period, but if I compare it to 2 years of daily practice under Master Wu, or any of the others really, there is simply no comparison.

If I could go back and speak with myself before starting, I would still tell myself to start, yet see it as fun and knowledge. Because I approached it with a very serious and dedicated mentality, discipline, my goal was to get initiated and take MaoShan as my path, but if I could go back I would tell myself no, don't do it.

I personally needed to try it, I grew from it, meaning I realized many of the things I've done earlier are really precious, and that all these metaphysical things and powers are not had as easy as it's written by Jason Read. E.g. it says that after 1 year of daily golden light mantra practice you can use it for lucid dreaming and astral travel, didn't work. I did it for 8 months straight, every single night without fail, no results (after completing the prerequisite of 1 year obviously).

Compare this to bön lucid dreaming practice, I got results in the very first month. Same with Buddhist lucid dreaming.

It comes down to the power of the master and the direct transmission from him. Dr Nida Chenagtsang was my teacher for bön, and Tulku Lobsang Rinpoche for Buddhist lucid dreaming.

Because they are themselves at a certain level, they transmit some of that to you, making it faster for you to get results (if you do indeed put in the work of daily practice without fail, which pretty much no-one does).

@Alfigar, I don't know your cultivation background, but I would highly advise against any white/european guru in anything energy-related (pretty controversial statement, I know). I have only met 2 white/european masters in all my life I would say actually "got it". That's Steven Sadleir (in SKY) and John Dolic (who teaches many styles of qigong). Other than that, all other white/european masters in energy I've seen almost always end up with some weird thing. They make it in their own image somehow, instead of taking it in its true context, they convert it to something "they think" it is, instead of taking it "as it really is".

I would recommend any of the masters I mentioned above. It's usually best to get someone from the culture this knowledge is coming from, as they take it "as is", it's normal, it's natural, they understand its true context.

I'm personally mixed and 60% white, and absolutely adore white/european culture and thinking, and really value the emphasis on the mental as well as intelligence, but honestly, when it comes to energy practices from Tibet, China or India, it's a completely different context. If you really get it, okay great, no problem. I ofc feel I somewhat get it, but that's due to cultural similarity, as well as having been in a rural Indian village since the age of 4, literally taking it in with the mother's milk. And I can also vouch for Steven Sadleir and John Dolic, an american and a yugoslavian respectively. 

Sadleir had the great opportunity of spending a lot of time one on one with Vethathiri Maharishi (the founder of SKY), and he's a true master. He can transmit energy to hundreds and hundreds of students at the same time, lower the energy to the root chakra of hundreds with just a wave of his hand, he's legit.

Similarly with John Dolic. I feel Yugoslavia is more grounded than northern Europe in general, so I feel like it was easier for him "to get it" when he went to China at 20 years old. He stayed there for almost 10 years, and got a chinese wife. He also had some real masters. I feel like he gets it too.

But many of the famous and respected white/european people acting as gurus right now, God, sorry to say, I feel they're all super weird and in no way deserving of the guru worship and adoration they get. They have reached something in their cultivation (some of them), but they've still not "gotten it", like really gotten what it's all about. Maybe due to culture, maybe due to having had fake masters, what do I know, but they clearly just don't get what it's all really about in the end. Maybe just because they haven't reached it.

God bless and guide us all to the right path  just sharing my personal experience (bought from blood, sweat, tears, lifelong cultivation and many bitter experiences), take what you can use and leave the rest, think for yourself and follow your own soul, it's the best guide you can get. 

 

[Alfigar]

46 minutes ago, Nuralshamal said:

I've gone through quite a change of heart throughout this thread to be honest.

I've been practicing daily without fail since I started - it's been 2 years now.

After 2 years of giving myself and my life, spending 30-120 minutes daily (sometimes longer( this is how I feel.

My advice would be:
1) firstly start practicing daily without fail under a true, real, authentic lineage under a true master (for qigong some I would vouch for would be Zhongxian Wu (Master Wu), Chunyi Lin (Spring Forest Qigong), Lie He (Ling Gui), Lu Xia and for Kundalini awakening and chakra empowerments I can vouch for Simplified Kundalini Yoga or SKY, I know many masters in the system, there are some in almost every country, so simply approach the nearest to you).
2) if after doing this real cultivation, acquiring the power to meditate, feel your life force as vibration, and heal yourself and others, you DON'T feel satisfied and still feel drawn to the occult, meaning rituals, magic, talismans etc, then you can do Jason Read's MaoShan primarily just for fun, knowledge and curiosity, but like I said, be careful about associating directly with Jason in a personal way, and I would never advice anyone to do it as a standalone system "as a spiritual path".

He doesn't call himself a master, he calls himself a student and primarily a translator, and I agree with him.

I'm sure MaoShan exists as a real and genuine path, with true masters, true powers and real cultivation, but after 2 years of daily practice my own personal experience is that it was fun, interesting, I learnt new things, so it was great for knowledge and entertainment, and there is of course some energy to be had from some of the practices if you do it daily, correctly and for a long period, but if I compare it to 2 years of daily practice under Master Wu, or any of the others really, there is simply no comparison.

If I could go back and speak with myself before starting, I would still tell myself to start, yet see it as fun and knowledge. Because I approached it with a very serious and dedicated mentality, discipline, my goal was to get initiated and take MaoShan as my path, but if I could go back I would tell myself no, don't do it.

I personally needed to try it, I grew from it, meaning I realized many of the things I've done earlier are really precious, and that all these metaphysical things and powers are not had as easy as it's written by Jason Read. E.g. it says that after 1 year of daily golden light mantra practice you can use it for lucid dreaming and astral travel, didn't work. I did it for 8 months straight, every single night without fail, no results (after completing the prerequisite of 1 year obviously).

Compare this to bön lucid dreaming practice, I got results in the very first month. Same with Buddhist lucid dreaming.

It comes down to the power of the master and the direct transmission from him. Dr Nida Chenagtsang was my teacher for bön, and Tulku Lobsang Rinpoche for Buddhist lucid dreaming.

Because they are themselves at a certain level, they transmit some of that to you, making it faster for you to get results (if you do indeed put in the work of daily practice without fail, which pretty much no-one does).

@Alfigar, I don't know your cultivation background, but I would highly advise against any white/european guru in anything energy-related (pretty controversial statement, I know). I have only met 2 white/european masters in all my life I would say actually "got it". That's Steven Sadleir (in SKY) and John Dolic (who teaches many styles of qigong). Other than that, all other white/european masters in energy I've seen almost always end up with some weird thing. They make it in their own image somehow, instead of taking it in its true context, they convert it to something "they think" it is, instead of taking it "as it really is".

I would recommend any of the masters I mentioned above. It's usually best to get someone from the culture this knowledge is coming from, as they take it "as is", it's normal, it's natural, they understand its true context.

I'm personally mixed and 60% white, and absolutely adore white/european culture and thinking, and really value the emphasis on the mental as well as intelligence, but honestly, when it comes to energy practices from Tibet, China or India, it's a completely different context. If you really get it, okay great, no problem. I ofc feel I somewhat get it, but that's due to cultural similarity, as well as having been in a rural Indian village since the age of 4, literally taking it in with the mother's milk. And I can also vouch for Steven Sadleir and John Dolic, an american and a yugoslavian respectively. 

Sadleir had the great opportunity of spending a lot of time one on one with Vethathiri Maharishi (the founder of SKY), and he's a true master. He can transmit energy to hundreds and hundreds of students at the same time, lower the energy to the root chakra of hundreds with just a wave of his hand, he's legit.

Similarly with John Dolic. I feel Yugoslavia is more grounded than northern Europe in general, so I feel like it was easier for him "to get it" when he went to China at 20 years old. He stayed there for almost 10 years, and got a chinese wife. He also had some real masters. I feel like he gets it too.

But many of the famous and respected white/european people acting as gurus right now, God, sorry to say, I feel they're all super weird and in no way deserving of the guru worship and adoration they get. They have reached something in their cultivation (some of them), but they've still not "gotten it", like really gotten what it's all about. Maybe due to culture, maybe due to having had fake masters, what do I know, but they clearly just don't get what it's all really about in the end. Maybe just because they haven't reached it.

God bless and guide us all to the right path  just sharing my personal experience (bought from blood, sweat, tears, lifelong cultivation and many bitter experiences), take what you can use and leave the rest, think for yourself and follow your own soul, it's the best guide you can get. 

 

 

Woah, thanks for the detailed advice! Really helpful stuff! I was tempted into doing the Mao Shan initiation described in his book, "Practical Chinese Magic", but now I am wary of attracting weird beings to my home. A shame, because I am attracted to the more esoteric parts of daoism, the so called "mastery traditions" or "red-hat daoism". My goals are not only cultivation, but the more religious/magical side of daoism as well.

 

Unfortunately here in my country only exists one tradition "Kunlun of the Nine Dragons", which I never heard of. They call themselves fangshi.

 

But its true, westerners who ventures into any traditional cult almost always have a huge ego. It happens with white people getting initiated into ATRs, they are very prideful and seem like they know better than natives. Weird stuff.

 

Anyway, I appreciate it sharing the info. I will take what's useful from him and look for something else.

[Chang dao ling]

9 hours ago, Nuralshamal said:

I've gone through quite a change of heart throughout this thread to be honest.

I've been practicing daily without fail since I started - it's been 2 years now.

After 2 years of giving myself and my life, spending 30-120 minutes daily (sometimes longer( this is how I feel.

My advice would be:
1) firstly start practicing daily without fail under a true, real, authentic lineage under a true master (for qigong some I would vouch for would be Zhongxian Wu (Master Wu), Chunyi Lin (Spring Forest Qigong), Lie He (Ling Gui), Lu Xia and for Kundalini awakening and chakra empowerments I can vouch for Simplified Kundalini Yoga or SKY, I know many masters in the system, there are some in almost every country, so simply approach the nearest to you).
2) if after doing this real cultivation, acquiring the power to meditate, feel your life force as vibration, and heal yourself and others, you DON'T feel satisfied and still feel drawn to the occult, meaning rituals, magic, talismans etc, then you can do Jason Read's MaoShan primarily just for fun, knowledge and curiosity, but like I said, be careful about associating directly with Jason in a personal way, and I would never advice anyone to do it as a standalone system "as a spiritual path".

He doesn't call himself a master, he calls himself a student and primarily a translator, and I agree with him.

I'm sure MaoShan exists as a real and genuine path, with true masters, true powers and real cultivation, but after 2 years of daily practice my own personal experience is that it was fun, interesting, I learnt new things, so it was great for knowledge and entertainment, and there is of course some energy to be had from some of the practices if you do it daily, correctly and for a long period, but if I compare it to 2 years of daily practice under Master Wu, or any of the others really, there is simply no comparison.

If I could go back and speak with myself before starting, I would still tell myself to start, yet see it as fun and knowledge. Because I approached it with a very serious and dedicated mentality, discipline, my goal was to get initiated and take MaoShan as my path, but if I could go back I would tell myself no, don't do it.

I personally needed to try it, I grew from it, meaning I realized many of the things I've done earlier are really precious, and that all these metaphysical things and powers are not had as easy as it's written by Jason Read. E.g. it says that after 1 year of daily golden light mantra practice you can use it for lucid dreaming and astral travel, didn't work. I did it for 8 months straight, every single night without fail, no results (after completing the prerequisite of 1 year obviously).

Compare this to bön lucid dreaming practice, I got results in the very first month. Same with Buddhist lucid dreaming.

It comes down to the power of the master and the direct transmission from him. Dr Nida Chenagtsang was my teacher for bön, and Tulku Lobsang Rinpoche for Buddhist lucid dreaming.

Because they are themselves at a certain level, they transmit some of that to you, making it faster for you to get results (if you do indeed put in the work of daily practice without fail, which pretty much no-one does).

@Alfigar, I don't know your cultivation background, but I would highly advise against any white/european guru in anything energy-related (pretty controversial statement, I know). I have only met 2 white/european masters in all my life I would say actually "got it". That's Steven Sadleir (in SKY) and John Dolic (who teaches many styles of qigong). Other than that, all other white/european masters in energy I've seen almost always end up with some weird thing. They make it in their own image somehow, instead of taking it in its true context, they convert it to something "they think" it is, instead of taking it "as it really is".

I would recommend any of the masters I mentioned above. It's usually best to get someone from the culture this knowledge is coming from, as they take it "as is", it's normal, it's natural, they understand its true context.

I'm personally mixed and 60% white, and absolutely adore white/european culture and thinking, and really value the emphasis on the mental as well as intelligence, but honestly, when it comes to energy practices from Tibet, China or India, it's a completely different context. If you really get it, okay great, no problem. I ofc feel I somewhat get it, but that's due to cultural similarity, as well as having been in a rural Indian village since the age of 4, literally taking it in with the mother's milk. And I can also vouch for Steven Sadleir and John Dolic, an american and a yugoslavian respectively. 

Sadleir had the great opportunity of spending a lot of time one on one with Vethathiri Maharishi (the founder of SKY), and he's a true master. He can transmit energy to hundreds and hundreds of students at the same time, lower the energy to the root chakra of hundreds with just a wave of his hand, he's legit.

Similarly with John Dolic. I feel Yugoslavia is more grounded than northern Europe in general, so I feel like it was easier for him "to get it" when he went to China at 20 years old. He stayed there for almost 10 years, and got a chinese wife. He also had some real masters. I feel like he gets it too.

But many of the famous and respected white/european people acting as gurus right now, God, sorry to say, I feel they're all super weird and in no way deserving of the guru worship and adoration they get. They have reached something in their cultivation (some of them), but they've still not "gotten it", like really gotten what it's all about. Maybe due to culture, maybe due to having had fake masters, what do I know, but they clearly just don't get what it's all really about in the end. Maybe just because they haven't reached it.

God bless and guide us all to the right path  just sharing my personal experience (bought from blood, sweat, tears, lifelong cultivation and many bitter experiences), take what you can use and leave the rest, think for yourself and follow your own soul, it's the best guide you can get. 

 

Thanks for the detailed answer 

[Nuralshamal]

13 hours ago, Alfigar said:

 

Woah, thanks for the detailed advice! Really helpful stuff! I was tempted into doing the Mao Shan initiation described in his book, "Practical Chinese Magic", but now I am wary of attracting weird beings to my home. A shame, because I am attracted to the more esoteric parts of daoism, the so called "mastery traditions" or "red-hat daoism". My goals are not only cultivation, but the more religious/magical side of daoism as well.

 

Unfortunately here in my country only exists one tradition "Kunlun of the Nine Dragons", which I never heard of. They call themselves fangshi.

 

But its true, westerners who ventures into any traditional cult almost always have a huge ego. It happens with white people getting initiated into ATRs, they are very prideful and seem like they know better than natives. Weird stuff.

 

Anyway, I appreciate it sharing the info. I will take what's useful from him and look for something else.

Thanks for your positive feedback, I appreciate it

Yes, the esoteric and magical aspects are incredibly fascinating indeed, I really wished it would be "real", but I think it all comes down to the master.

Ofc you need to practice diligently without fail, which is were 99% of students fail, but if you're one of the few who actually puts in the work, then what I've seen is that it all comes down to the master.

If the master and lineage is real, everything just works.

E.g. Master Wu, I was so suprised when I studied with him. No matter if it's calligraphy, drinking tea, playing music, healing, moving physical qigong forms, static standing qigong forms, seated, meditation, visualisation, IT JUST WORKS.

I was exceptionally sceptical of healing and calligraphy, honestly I thought it was the most ridiculous I had ever heard: how can you generate energy from painting? 

But it just worked, it completely destroyed my mental paradigm and world view of spirituality.

Similarly with SKY, this one dude on youtube claimed anyone's Kundalini could be awakened within seconds and raised to agnya chakra (third eye). I was like "come on, who are you kidding?" but all the rest of his content was pretty sound and well-informed, it was just this fantastical claim that stood out as implausible, whereas all else was really good.

So I gave him the benefit of the doubt and went to see the master in my country, and lo and behold, my life was forever changed!

There's no way I would have penetrated into the world of energy without the touch of the SKY master and his transmission of energy, similarly with Master Wu; without his transmission of energy backed by an authentic lineage, I would never have reached anywhere.

On the contrary, the first 3 years of my qigong journey actually killed my health. Why? Because the master was fake, the teaching was fake, the lineage was fake. 

So my own bitter experience has taught me that it all comes down to the master and lineage; if it's real and authentic, everything just works and long term diligent practice can help you achieve anything imaginable.

But if it's not real and authentic, you're at best wasting your time, at worst destroying yourself.

Btw, if you find real, authentic esoteric and magical daoism, shoot me a message, I would love to know more

[Giles]

43 minutes ago, Nuralshamal said:

Thanks for your positive feedback, I appreciate it

Yes, the esoteric and magical aspects are incredibly fascinating indeed, I really wished it would be "real", but I think it all comes down to the master.

Ofc you need to practice diligently without fail, which is were 99% of students fail, but if you're one of the few who actually puts in the work, then what I've seen is that it all comes down to the master.

If the master and lineage is real, everything just works.

E.g. Master Wu, I was so suprised when I studied with him. No matter if it's calligraphy, drinking tea, playing music, healing, moving physical qigong forms, static standing qigong forms, seated, meditation, visualisation, IT JUST WORKS.

I was exceptionally sceptical of healing and calligraphy, honestly I thought it was the most ridiculous I had ever heard: how can you generate energy from painting? 

But it just worked, it completely destroyed my mental paradigm and world view of spirituality.

Similarly with SKY, this one dude on youtube claimed anyone's Kundalini could be awakened within seconds and raised to agnya chakra (third eye). I was like "come on, who are you kidding?" but all the rest of his content was pretty sound and well-informed, it was just this fantastical claim that stood out as implausible, whereas all else was really good.

So I gave him the benefit of the doubt and went to see the master in my country, and lo and behold, my life was forever changed!

There's no way I would have penetrated into the world of energy without the touch of the SKY master and his transmission of energy, similarly with Master Wu; without his transmission of energy backed by an authentic lineage, I would never have reached anywhere.

On the contrary, the first 3 years of my qigong journey actually killed my health. Why? Because the master was fake, the teaching was fake, the lineage was fake. 

So my own bitter experience has taught me that it all comes down to the master and lineage; if it's real and authentic, everything just works and long term diligent practice can help you achieve anything imaginable.

But if it's not real and authentic, you're at best wasting your time, at worst destroying yourself.

Btw, if you find real, authentic esoteric and magical daoism, shoot me a message, I would love to know more

 

 

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[Nosferatu]

On 22/05/2025 at 5:34 PM, Nuralshamal said:

I've gone through quite a change of heart throughout this thread to be honest.

I've been practicing daily without fail since I started - it's been 2 years now.

After 2 years of giving myself and my life, spending 30-120 minutes daily (sometimes longer( this is how I feel.

My advice would be:
1) firstly start practicing daily without fail under a true, real, authentic lineage under a true master (for qigong some I would vouch for would be Zhongxian Wu (Master Wu), Chunyi Lin (Spring Forest Qigong), Lie He (Ling Gui), Lu Xia and for Kundalini awakening and chakra empowerments I can vouch for Simplified Kundalini Yoga or SKY, I know many masters in the system, there are some in almost every country, so simply approach the nearest to you).

 

 

Some of these authors have books with routines and practices, especially Zhongxian Wu who seems to be detailed in his books, is it safe and effective to practice them without initiation and supervision from a master? Thanks!

[Nuralshamal]

2 hours ago, Nosferatu said:

 

Some of these authors have books with routines and practices, especially Zhongxian Wu who seems to be detailed in his books, is it safe and effective to practice them without initiation and supervision from a master? Thanks!

Yes, all from Master Wu is 100% safe

However, would definitely recommend you take the time and effort to go to a live workshop. It's worth it!