Upper dantian

[Chang dao ling]

52 minutes ago, exorcist_1699 said:

 

Many posts by members of this forum claim sufferings from headache , hypertension or uncontrolled flow of   qi  is mainly due to  their eagerness to gather more qi at the upper dantian, thinking that it is the way of nourishing the third- eye ,  which unfortunately not correct . In fact,   the  way of nourishing the upper dantian is quite different from the way of nourishing  the lower dantian ;  it is not an issue of  mental focus ,  more strength  that you put on it  ,  nor  be it  any kind of visualizations .   Qi, once having risen and  reached the head, will  appear in some other forms ; some describe it  as  "water' , some may emphasize  'light ' ,  so if people still  attach to  those feelings  of  qi  they experienced before  may not be that precise ..

I am not getting headache but it took 1 to 2 hours to sleep at night sometimes. But I noticed since I started utd meditation I am taking extra time to sleep 

[Master Logray]

18 minutes ago, exorcist_1699 said:

 

Thank you for raising this . I do doubt that although Zen originates from India, quite a big chunk of its essence already lost in modern India .

 

I happen to read a magazine re Taoism in library.  It says 藏密 (tibetan buddhism) was influenced by Taoist.  And in turn 印密 (tibetan Buddhist in India), was in turn affected by Taoist methods and thinkings, but 印密 has been extinct.

[exorcist_1699]

On 2023/2/13 at 5:04 PM, Master Logray said:

 

I happen to read a magazine re Taoism in library.  It says 藏密 (tibetan buddhism) was influenced by Taoist.  And in turn 印密 (tibetan Buddhist in India), was in turn affected by Taoist methods and thinkings, but 印密 has been extinct.

 

Yeah , if talking about the emergence of them  in time order ,  it is Taoism  --> Buddhism --> Tibetan Buddhism .  

[freshpondtaiji]

in our school (Patrick Kelly student of Huang Xingxian, Mouniji Maharaj and Abdullah Dougan, Huang Xingxian student of ZMQ and according to PK both Huang and ZMQ secretly in the Quanzhen school), lower dantian is Jing to Qi, middle dantian is Qi to Shen, Upper dantian Shen to Xu.

 

We recommend focus on the middle dantian for first 10 years with a good teacher, if that energy is not refined enough trying to bring into Upper dantian could cause very serious problems.

 

The main reason we train the taiji is the lower dantian work is deeper than most beginners think so just that physical starting point is a good way to set the mind up for the meditation. It's important to sink mind deeper step by step because easy to imagine one is training much deeper than what is really happening (and the false imagination is at best useless and may even be harmful)

[salaam123]

16 hours ago, freshpondtaiji said:

in our school (Patrick Kelly student of Huang Xingxian, Mouniji Maharaj and Abdullah Dougan, Huang Xingxian student of ZMQ and according to PK both Huang and ZMQ secretly in the Quanzhen school), lower dantian is Jing to Qi, middle dantian is Qi to Shen, Upper dantian Shen to Xu.

 

We recommend focus on the middle dantian for first 10 years with a good teacher, if that energy is not refined enough trying to bring into Upper dantian could cause very serious problems.

 

The main reason we train the taiji is the lower dantian work is deeper than most beginners think so just that physical starting point is a good way to set the mind up for the meditation. It's important to sink mind deeper step by step because easy to imagine one is training much deeper than what is really happening (and the false imagination is at best useless and may even be harmful)

 

 

Is the path of the chi which is brought up the centerline?

[freshpondtaiji]

1 hour ago, salaam123 said:

(posted new one below instead of editing somehow, see reply below)

Edited April 4 by freshpondtaiji

[freshpondtaiji]

1 hour ago, salaam123 said:

 

 

Is the path of the chi which is brought up the centerline?

 

We don't think about moving the qi through the body, that's an easy way to falsely imagine things.

 

Instead we move the mind through the body, initially an awareness but have to keep looking deeper for subtler things to find the intention. Truly moving the intention through the body causes a change/response in the body--if you move the mind and nothing in the body responds that's just random imagination and not doing anything.

 

The "qi" is not what most people think it is, and in the context of Jing > Qi and Qi > Shen we're talking about an internal transformation not at all about moving something literally through the body.

 

We do move the mind up the centerline. A publicly posted vid of my teacher leading a guided meditation here:

https://www.taiji-schule.at/index.php/videos-en.html

 

and some of his notes on meditation here:

https://worldwideway.org/wwway/meditation.html

[f-man]

I find that chi movement is better everywhere if I open head meridians properly

 

The tendency to avoid head area may slow one's progress