MetaDao Posted November 10, 2022 54 minutes ago, Shadow_self said: it isn't clear and you've provided absolutely nothing in the way of evidence to support that statement. Literally nothing What’s the evidence Damo has achieved Yang Shen? Anyone at the Di Xian level would instantly know. The elixir can be perceived Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MetaDao Posted November 10, 2022 Need I go on? Your constant rabble is simply there to cover up your teacher’s wrong doings. It means nothing to me as karma does it’s work. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MetaDao Posted November 10, 2022 1 hour ago, Shadow_self said: You'd hear him discuss the candle flame being preserved vs being put out  Same thing  That's the difference between the end point of  Daoist Neidan vs the type Buddhist practice I'm talking about And, you think that understanding is correct? What evidence do you have beside the word of Damo?  The flame is put out later in Neidan too. You just don't have an understanding of it and neither does Damo Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MetaDao Posted November 10, 2022 3 hours ago, Shadow_self said: preservation of the self You said this, not I. End goal of Daoism is not preservation of the self. Shows you don't understand Neidan Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MetaDao Posted November 10, 2022 3 hours ago, Shadow_self said: preservation of the sel You are letting a 1st year Neidan student correct all your misunderstandings. Those years of training paid off for ya Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shadow_self Posted November 10, 2022 (edited) 30 minutes ago, MetaDao said: Quote it please. From what I remember it goes something like my goal is a bit different than the Daoist immortality and has been steadily going more towards Buddhism. No clear attainment stated whatsoever. Never mentions his teachers or lineage.    I already paraphrased it  He made the distinction between the endpoints and stated his practice  He literally stated "snuffing out the candle"  You just werent listening...youve a tendency towards that   23 minutes ago, MetaDao said: Do they? You repeatedly state claims about Neidan with 0 evidence and 90% of them are wrong.  My statements are in relation to Dragons gate alchemy. You have zero knowledge or understanding of it Quote You have no lineage backing within Neidan. And you think the phoney who learns from the Tiktok star above does? Come on man give it up ffs  Im not looking for initiation. I have a 1-1 teacher who teaches me for free  Damos material is for a different purpose for me. One my other teacher approves of Quote Do I need to quote every single one of your mistakes?  You cant because there aren't any  22 minutes ago, MetaDao said: Never said this. You just made it up. The list goes on and on. You are deluded  No actually, I m not  I have the facebook messages in front of me  21 minutes ago, MetaDao said: What teacher? You don’t know who my teacher is. Who said he zooms primarily?  I do actually, that why I was able to name his teacher  Maybe you can expose the Di Xians name, or will I?  Lets play a game, we'll start with a letter   Want to continue?  Quote lemme just mimick your wording real quick Please go ahead  21 minutes ago, MetaDao said: Where are the prices? Do you see them? Claims with 0 evidence  Last I checked with him, it was $120 for 2 hours over zoom monthly  Has he gotten more generous? Free teaching for TDB crew perhaps?   20 minutes ago, MetaDao said: Lol what happens when you subtract the clock back before it ever started That has nothing to do with anything  16 minutes ago, MetaDao said: Opinion can be fact. When supported by facts and evidence that is observable  Quote There is objective truth. Is there?  Quote You seem to stray into false much more than true Where is the false? Edited November 10, 2022 by Shadow_self Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shadow_self Posted November 10, 2022 16 minutes ago, MetaDao said: What’s the evidence Damo has achieved Yang Shen? Anyone at the Di Xian level would instantly know. The elixir can be perceived  And neither the Tiktok star not "special K" are of that level, and you have no evidence to suggest they are  Point dismissed 15 minutes ago, MetaDao said: Need I go on? Your constant rabble is simply there to cover up your teacher’s wrong doings. It means nothing to me as karma does it’s work. Yes you must  My teacher hasnt done anything wrong...hes very honest with his students about his level of attainment  Yours however, Drinking hot water is a siddhi  Says it all really  10 minutes ago, MetaDao said: And, you think that understanding is correct? What evidence do you have beside the word of Damo? My other teacher, who doesnt know Damo, doesnt share a lineage nor a practice with him   10 minutes ago, MetaDao said: The flame is put out later in Neidan too. You just don't have an understanding of it and neither does Damo Please explain how it is  5 minutes ago, MetaDao said: You said this, not I. End goal of Daoism is not preservation of the self. Shows you don't understand Neidan If "you" are preserved then that is immortality  That is why I made the distinction with original self. I thought you'd make the connection yourself...but, well...  4 minutes ago, MetaDao said: You are letting a 1st year Neidan student correct all your misunderstandings. Those years of training paid off for ya  Oh you're not correcting me Metadao, but you sure have made my points about your teacher very clear  If his students are this confused...and willing to buy into his nonsensical fables...and create make believe stories about "mental siddhi abuse" so he can get his monthly tuition off you  I think myself (and this entire board) know exactly what to make of him, you, his practice, his teacher (mr tiktok) and your understanding of matters Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MetaDao Posted November 10, 2022 (edited) Good bravo! Funny you mention Dragon Gate because I am a part of that lineage and you show 0 understanding of it. Now you show your true nature. I doubt you will ever receive any transmissions from Damo. I can tell you that much Edited November 10, 2022 by MetaDao Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shadow_self Posted November 10, 2022 3 minutes ago, MetaDao said: Good bravo! Funny you mention Dragon Gate because I am a part of that lineage and you show 0 understanding of it  No you arent  http://www.laoziacademy.com/about/master-dongyangs-profile/  There's your teachers teacher   Im sparing you the embarrasment of posting your own teachers words  But as for Mr Tiktok  Hes a lot older and a lot greyer now   Di Xian, yeah right Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MetaDao Posted November 10, 2022 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Shadow_self said:  No you arent  http://www.laoziacademy.com/about/master-dongyangs-profile/  There's your teachers teacher   Im sparing you the embarrasment of posting your own teachers words  But as for Mr Tiktok  Hes a lot older and a lot greyer now   Di Xian, yeah right So quick to condemn others for talking down on a teacher for legitimate reasons.  Yet, here you are talking down on some of the highest level people that exist  Your words get more and more crude and insulting. Such a high level of attainment. Now, we’ve got not just money grabber scammers but just horrible people posing as spiritual cultivators  Such a sham. Buddha would be ashamed. I wonder what your teacher would think of you if he could read this. Oh wait, he can hahahaha! Edited November 10, 2022 by MetaDao Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shadow_self Posted November 10, 2022 Just now, MetaDao said: Yet, here you are talking down on some of the highest level people that exist  Well would you look at that,  I was right (Of course I was)  I guess my mind reading Siddhi was on point today  By the way, my BS detector siddhi is a hell of a lot stronger   Id quit now while I was ahead If i was you...the next step is I start spilling out stuff Mr "special K's" words...and I have the pictures so save yourself (and him) the embarrassment and just stop Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MetaDao Posted November 10, 2022 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Shadow_self said:  Well would you look at that,  I was right (Of course I was)  I guess my mind reading Siddhi was on point today  By the way, my BS detector siddhi is a hell of a lot stronger   Id quit now while I was ahead If i was you...the next step is I start spilling out stuff Mr "special K's" words...and I have the pictures so save yourself (and him) the embarrassment and just stop Pls do. You’re embarrassing yourself. Anyone with the correct eyes who looks at the pictures you send can easily tell who is legit and who isn’t. Edited November 10, 2022 by MetaDao Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shadow_self Posted November 10, 2022 4 minutes ago, MetaDao said:   Your words get more and more crude and insulting. Noticing that a person you are claiming to be an earth immortal has grey hair growing by the year, when he shouldn't is neither crude nor insulting  its pointing out the very obvious truth that he is not what you're saying he is  4 minutes ago, MetaDao said: Such a high level of attainment. Now, we’ve got not just money grabber scammers but just horrible people posing as spiritual cultivators Telling the truth is horrible? I thought you liked the truth?  Oh wait no, you just like YOUR truth  You know, that subjective thing tinted by your own biases  4 minutes ago, MetaDao said: Such a sham. Buddha would be ashamed. I thought you didnt understand Buddhism, you did say that  Buddha tended to like the truth 4 minutes ago, MetaDao said: I wonder what your teacher would think of you if he could read this. Oh wait, he can hahahaha! Yep, Im sure they wont mind me calling out inconsistencies where I see it  Helps with that discernment thing...kind of important for meditation 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shadow_self Posted November 10, 2022 (edited) 12 minutes ago, MetaDao said: Pls do. You’re embarrassing yourself. Ah he is your teacher then   Look at that, I was right (again)  Damn that mind reading siddhi is on point today right  Oh wait, did I access your mind without your consent?  Why don't you tell special K to bring himself over here and we can have this neidan  discussion instead of hiding behind you   Or is he too busy with the zoom calls and hot water   Quote Anyone with the correct eyes who looks at the pictures you send can easily tell who is legit and who isn’t.  Indeed, look at all the things ive said that you've confirmed,  I agree, it isnt hard to tell at all  Edited November 10, 2022 by Shadow_self Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MetaDao Posted November 10, 2022 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Shadow_self said: Ah he is your teacher then   Look at that, I was right (again)  Damn that mind reading siddhi is on point today right  Oh wait, did I access your mind without your consent?  Why don't you tell special K to bring himself over here and we can have this neidan  discussion instead of hiding behind you   Or is he too busy with the zoom calls and hot water    Indeed, look at all the things ive said that you've confirmed,  I agree, it isnt hard to tell at all  You are speaking absolute nonsense like a small child. Good luck on that cessation. I have no clue who special k is but you still haven’t sent a pic of my teacher so no. You are still wrong. I don’t think you’ve made an accurate statement in about 30 posts Edited November 10, 2022 by MetaDao Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shadow_self Posted November 10, 2022 (edited) 9 minutes ago, MetaDao said: I have no clue who special k is but you still haven’t sent a pic of my teacher so no. You are still wrong  Oh you do...that's the first letter of his name  How did I know your teachers teacher by the way? You never answered me that  The problem is you don't know how much I've interacted with him, for how long or what I know about him  Long before You came along Mr self proclaimed "first year"  Here's the second letter of his name   You still sure you want to keep him anonymous?  Edited November 10, 2022 by Shadow_self Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MetaDao Posted November 10, 2022 (edited) 52 minutes ago, Shadow_self said:  Oh you do...that's the first letter of his name  How did I know your teachers teacher by the way? You never answered me that  The problem is you don't know how much I've interacted with him, for how long or what I know about him  Long before You came along Mr self proclaimed "first year"  Here's the second letter of his name   You still sure you want to keep him anonymous?  Go ahead. That’s not my teacher lol. You are deluded, toxic, and the furthest thing from any sort of spiritual cultivation. You will fail in your pursuit of cessation and you will never accomplish anything on your path unless you change real quick. Edited November 10, 2022 by MetaDao Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shadow_self Posted November 10, 2022 2 minutes ago, MetaDao said: Go ahead. That’s not my teacher lol. You are deluded, toxic, and the furthest thing from any sort of spiritual cultivation. You will fail in your pursuit of cessation and you will never accomplish anything on your path unless you change real quick  Listen, you might have some other people fooled, but not me  I see through you, your nonsense, your teachers nonsense, and your teachers teacher as well  I've words here in front of me from your teacher before you even knew who he was  Earth immortal with grey hair within a few years. mental siddhi rape...listen to what you are saying honestly  The only reason I havent completely outed him is because I know some poor soul looking for help will be sucked in by your nonsense and make a nice addition to his pocket money...  But you can deny it all you wish, you know I know who he is, and I know who his teachers are too  And he is a complete and utter fraud.  He actually thinks drinking hot water is a siddhi...i wont even mention the other things he's said, they are just laughable  Unlike you, ive no reason to lie about him, but the truth is the truth,and its staring be in face the form of facebook messages  Honestly its beyond sad what you are trying to do. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Master Logray Posted November 10, 2022 I don't see the point regarding money. Taoists charge money, from donations, ceremonies, spirit services.  Why teaching Neidan cannot collect money?   USD500,000 p.a. - after deduct expenses and tax is not much. And it depends on where you are. In my city it can buy a few parking lots only.   These teachers are merely immortals. They have no abilities to escape from the tax net. If they fall sick, the medical fee could be huge - all these latest medicines and therapies. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MetaDao Posted November 10, 2022 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Master Logray said: I don't see the point regarding money. Taoists charge money, from donations, ceremonies, spirit services.  Why teaching Neidan cannot collect money?   USD500,000 p.a. - after deduct expenses and tax is not much. And it depends on where you are. In my city it can buy a few parking lots only.   These teachers are merely immortals. They have no abilities to escape from the tax net. If they fall sick, the medical fee could be huge - all these latest medicines and therapies. Oh you don’t? You don’t see the problem with charging large amounts of money to people for spiritual growth?  You don’t understand. These immortals can go to the moon or to mars if they wish. What need do they have for money besides supporting their family? The goal of any cultivator is to create harmony between heaven and earth. Not selfishly hoard money. You think meditation gurus should be vacationing in Bali, spending 50k a month on travel expenses, and drinking fine wine in the evenings? Have you all lost all your sense? Edited November 10, 2022 by MetaDao Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MetaDao Posted November 10, 2022 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Shadow_self said:  Listen, you might have some other people fooled, but not me  I see through you, your nonsense, your teachers nonsense, and your teachers teacher as well  I've words here in front of me from your teacher before you even knew who he was  Earth immortal with grey hair within a few years. mental siddhi rape...listen to what you are saying honestly  The only reason I havent completely outed him is because I know some poor soul looking for help will be sucked in by your nonsense and make a nice addition to his pocket money...  But you can deny it all you wish, you know I know who he is, and I know who his teachers are too  And he is a complete and utter fraud.  He actually thinks drinking hot water is a siddhi...i wont even mention the other things he's said, they are just laughable  Unlike you, ive no reason to lie about him, but the truth is the truth,and its staring be in face the form of facebook messages  Honestly its beyond sad what you are trying to do. And what am I trying to do? You do not know to whom you speak. Please share the messages you speak of. I don’t think they exist. You are spouting nonsense. In turn, I will expose Damo for the fraud he is. I also have Facebook messages of insults over email and Facebook. Damo is a harsh man who calls others names in his spare time. I can see it transfers over to you as well. Edited November 10, 2022 by MetaDao 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MetaDao Posted November 10, 2022 The only reason I haven’t completely outed your teacher for the asshole and siddhi abuser he is is out of respect. Now you are causing me to reconsider. Maybe it’s time his academy is taken down 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MetaDao Posted November 10, 2022 If I presented the evidence, it could be easily determined by the higher ups in lineages and Damo could swiftly be revoked of all teaching privileges. So please go ahead. I will cause a public storm and tear down the public scam that is the lotus Neigong academy and expose the internal arts scene for what it’s become. Karmic imprints can easily be traced and the past can be easily ascertained. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shadow_self Posted November 10, 2022 2 minutes ago, MetaDao said: And what am I trying to do?  You are trying to degrade someone, and doing an awful job of it 2 minutes ago, MetaDao said: You do not know to whom you speak. I do,  A self admitted  emotionally damaged person with a serious chip on their shoulder, and a seriously worrying delusional belief that they were abused "siddhily"  2 minutes ago, MetaDao said: Please share the messages you speak of. Like I said, im not giving him the publicity, you adoration of Mr Tiktok is all I needed for confirmation  Well that plus you sound like a recording of him 2 minutes ago, MetaDao said: I don’t think they exist. You are spouting nonsense. Well ive not been wrong thus far  Plus if im not telling the truth, how did I know Mr high level tiktok star was his teacher (and your idol apparently)  Explain that one away please?  Di Xian with grey hair in a few yearsJFC 2 minutes ago, MetaDao said: In turn, I will expose Damo for the fraud he is. Well so far, you've succeeded in doing absolutely none of that  Unsurprising though...your arguments are about as strong as a house of cards in a hurricane  Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shadow_self Posted November 10, 2022 15 minutes ago, MetaDao said: The only reason I haven’t completely outed your teacher for the asshole and siddhi abuser he is is out of respect. Now you are causing me to reconsider. Maybe it’s time his academy is taken down  Siddhi abuser  Is there a form you can fill in for this? A report you can file? 7 minutes ago, MetaDao said: If I presented the evidence, it could be easily determined by the higher ups in lineages and Damo could swiftly be revoked of all teaching privileges. So please go ahead. I will cause a public storm and tear down the public scam that is the lotus Neigong academy and expose the internal arts scene for what it’s become. Karmic imprints can easily be traced and the past can be easily ascertained.   You mean the evidence Ive been asking you for all night that you cannot give me?  Ohhh batten down the hatches, hes going to the higher ups  Do they use tiktok too?  Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
