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38 minutes ago, 3bob said:

that is not what happens with a True Guru

Isn't it ?
Looking at the Buddhists self-immolating, or the Crussades, or the yogis getting stoned and so on.
The idealisation of the "True Guru" is ... a fantasy, another way for a person to distance themselves from doing the inner work themselves, and it is helpful to be in the presence of someone who also has done the work.
That's all.
Likewise when people talk of "peace" all the time ... another fantasy.

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hmm,  you are presenting a self-contradiction are you not?  Anyway when the true guru is present then shit does not happen because of them as the common saying goes... corruption taking place after they are gone is something else.

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Well I liked Bergson's ideas even if he wasn't enlightened, which I didn't think for one moment but who knows? Anyway talking about monkeys wasn't Hanuman enlightened? :rolleyes:

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