Who Is Me? Why is Me?

[gatito]

You are the final arbiter of your own experience.

 

The "answer" is to explore your own experience.

[eye_of_the_storm]

@ Deci Belle

 

I am sorry... perhaps Pure Being was too much

 

From my perspective it was something (beingness) much more vast and "pure" ( as compared to my "ordinary awareness")

 

I did not claim to be The Absolute (not in this instance anyway hahaha)

 

I should have put a disclaimer of sorts... it was an attempt to explain an experience... though one could hardly do it justice I would have to show you / though this is not possible for me.

 

I can only say, well this is what I felt and this was my method. So others if they so wish may be able to try and verify

 

I said

 

Perhaps one should say I have experienced states without concepts of self... and was just pure being / awareness

 

- I am saying I experienced a state of awareness that was beyond body and my "ordinary awareness / concept of self"

 

I was vastly more expanded in awareness/ perception mostly in terms of space / "emptiness" (that was maybe only 20 seconds - I had no intention for it, it just happened)

 

When I say

 

I am sure there are different levels of refinement in this regard

 

This more or less says I am unsure to the degree of the awareness / its place on the spectrum of what...

 

At the time I felt it was rather profound - I suppose I hold it somewhat sacred

 

I shall "sacrifice" my experience however to these here forums... in order to collaborate + learn etc.

 

+ others may also learn from my experience or this discussion

 

I guess another crude explanation would be

 

Imagine that you are a tiny green pea... who in the middle of the night wakes up and finds itself to be a huge blow up beach ball... hahah

 

From the perspective of the tiny green pea this is really amazing.

 

In terms of logic?

 

I see the universe (beyond human expression hahah) to be very logical

 

If one has ever looked into sacred geometry / mathematics micro macro it would be difficult to say this is not so.

 

From all accounts quantum mathematicians are for the most part very "religious / spiritual"

 

As one sees the underlying divine order of things

 

When I look back to Ancient Greece and other western esoteric practices...

 

Math / Geometry / Astronomy / Music and so on have all been used as tools to go beyond (I think)

 

The Egyptians called it the Science of the Divine Man... or the like?

 

When Spirit and Science were one thing

 

Who ever built the pyramids and other megalithic structures around the world had a profound understanding of both.

 

Where did they go? and why the split? who knows

 

The East seems to be well versed in Spirit

 

The West seems to be well versed in Science

 

One without the other I think is useless mostly.

 

As for your pure being/awareness goes, evidently you feel you can be the judge as deluded as you are.

 

Until you experience pure nonbeing, you have no basis for objectivity to judge your own everyday mind—

 

much less your enthusiastic contentious notions of what could possibly constitute "pure being".

 

As for your nonsensical spray about buddhas not having to experience enlightenment even once… even a buddha has nothing over anyone who knows their original face. Spend less time pimping your imaginary buddha and become an awakened human being yourself. It's not easy before and it's not easy afterwards either. Dogen said, "Buddhas become people and people become buddhas." In other words, become a buddha first, then learn how to be a realized human being.

 

Only an ignoramus would endeavor to employ reason to express the inconceivable. Anyone can understand understanding, only an enlightening being can understand not-understanding. How do you thing the classics came to be? Having fathomed my mind, I would not dream (as you do) to use logic to express the unspeakable.

 

Furthermore, sudden realization is not a matter where one exists to experience anything. Among other things, it is the event of one's inherent selfless potential returning to its source. YOU DON'T GET TO GO. Where potential is the same as living awareness, no different than the seat of your current replaying states of ignorance— it's just that you do not see it is why you take imaginary causes reflective of an habitual self-propping ego-driven psychological apparatus, as proof that you do, in fact, exist.

 

Since you completely misunderstood my expression (and liked it too, if I recall correctly), I fail to corroborate your multiple versions of what you have taken to be your idea of pure being. Those must have been lovely experiences, mon ami~ but even though realization only happens once, one must still go further and shatter the absolute, which is no mean concept, before one steps over eternity. Only then is one an equal of prior illuminates, able to follow in their footsteps as you place yours as theirs, and proceed up the gradual incline.

 

The gradual path leading to the sudden is finite. The path beyond eternity has no words. This is entering the tao in reality, planting lotuses in fire, taking over creation in order to steal potential, able to match creative evolution with the virtue of receptivity, effecting creative evolution without ever again entering the matrix of karmic cycles of yin and yang. You know, seeing through phenomena without negating appearances. You know, the middle way, suchness …enlightening being.

 

Surely old-hat for someone such as you, hmmmmmm?

 

Obviously you have no knowledge of the absolute, much less the sense to realize that one must already be in harmony with nonoriginated selfless awareness in the first place. Enlightenment is just an indication of harmony with the way. It has no intrinsic meaning. Its like being sick, and you know it; but then finally actually being temporarily bedridden~ then finally returning to health, delicately aware of your weakness, eventually to simply just forget you were ever sick at all as you resume ordinary activities. Enlightenment is like reversing your process of growing up and being born, only to be born again in the unborn.

 

The source of inconceivability doesn't owe you a logical cause, yet you insist that something beyond even the mysteries of creation should be as logically comprehensible as a democratic entitlement—as if.

 

You must be able to be done with your worldly ignorance (your intellectual entitlement issues) to enter into the entry-level experience of simple awakening— which is none other than realizing self is a wonderful and effective, functional illusion.

 

BUT MISTAKING ONE'S THIEVING PSYCHOLOGICAL SPIRIT AS ENLIGHTENED MIND IS THE NUMBER ONE ERROR OF STUDENTS OF SELF-REFINEMENT OF ALL TIME.

 

Your mistake is so common this saying has been the hallmark of buddhist study since before bodhidharma's coming from the west.

 

As I said before, call it what you like, but you have a loooooooong way to go~ isn't that good to know?❤

 

ed note: typo four paragraphs from the end

Edited November 28, 2012 by White Wolf Running On Air

[三江源]

I heard that every 'self' is just a portal for beings to look through.

[Jetsun]

Maybe you are your DNA sequence

[Gerard]

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Edited September 13, 2013 by Gerard

[三江源]

I hope you can experience the ultimate mind one day, after prolongued and dedicated practice. This you is only an aspect of a multi-layered construction of what makes the whole called Adrian (if that is your name).

 

Now back to the yang mind.

 

Gerard, hi, can you say any more about what it is that actually constitutes the whole construction?

 

Thankyou for the phrase 'yang mind'.. that useful.

[gatito]

I heard that every 'self' is just a portal for beings to look through.

 

It might be a bit more accurate to say that every jiva is a portal for the Self to look through.

[三江源]

It might be a bit more accurate to say that every jiva is a portal for the Self to look through.

 

jiva

 

the immortal essence of a living organism (human, animal, fish or plant etc.) which survives physical death,used to denote an individual 'living entity' or 'living being' specifically -whereas atma refers to "the cosmic self"- It is said not to be a product of the material world but of a higher 'spiritual' nature. When the Jiva breaks the shackles of the material world it becomes the transcendental self.

 

thanks gatito.. and what is the Self that looks through the jiva?

[gatito]

jiva

 

the immortal essence of a living organism (human, animal, fish or plant etc.) which survives physical death,used to denote an individual 'living entity' or 'living being' specifically -whereas atma refers to "the cosmic self"- It is said not to be a product of the material world but of a higher 'spiritual' nature. When the Jiva breaks the shackles of the material world it becomes the transcendental self.

 

thanks gatito.. and what is the Self that looks through the jiva?

 

Atman (Brahman)

 

Edit to add:-

 

Jiva = Individual soul or apparent "I"

Edited November 28, 2012 by gatito

[eye_of_the_storm]

I have just starting looking more into Vedanta (Brahmanism/ Hinduism?)

 

[eye_of_the_storm]

Maybe you are your DNA sequence

 

Perhaps

 

I wonder if DNA is an expression of our spirit?

 

Lightcode?

Edited November 28, 2012 by White Wolf Running On Air

[gatito]

I have just starting looking more into Vedanta (Brahmanism/ Hinduism?)

 

 

Have fun. I did.

[manitou]

what place is this? {hi manitou!}

 

Hi!

 

The place is the Oneness of knowing we are all god.