Flying Phoenix Chi Kung

[BigSkyDiamond]

3 hours ago, Turnip said:

 

“If you are looking for water in the desert, it is no good running around endlessly digging shallow holes. Choose any reasonable place and if you dig deep enough you are sure to find water.” Mouni Maharaj

 

Yes I have heard the same and had it explained to me this way when I began seriously studying my religion in depth and was told not to mix it with other religions.   I balked at this and was  arguing with the (religous leader).  .I wanted to know the inner secrets of the religious body of work and I wanted to know why i couldn't access them if i was also engaging with other religous texts ideas and practices.  He explained it to me like this." if you try to have a relationship with two women at the same time, the relationship will have problems and will lack depth. It will only ever stay at a very superficial level. No woman is going to share and reveal the depth of her innermost secrets unless and until you demonstrate a committment to her and stop sleeping around with others."  Then i got it.

 

Same principle and I understand it and agree.

 

 

In reading this thread i am fascinated to hear also that in the qi gong world for the different schools types (what is the word to use?) there are in the same manner inner secrets which not everyone has access to.  And that to be worthy or capable or selected to access those inner secrets a person needs to qualify and prove themself in some way.  I just love that.  I especially love the stories of the sages (this is drawing from my religious background) who even at some point in their studies and learning were basically told "oh if you want to know that you will need to be taught by _______  (name of earlier sage, now deceased) in the heavenly realms."  So only those who had developed the skill to access information from the heavens could obtain certain learning.  Other sections of the secret learning were only ever shared with one person per generation.  I am reading that is also done in the qi gong world.

Good stuff, lovin' it.

Edited Monday at 02:32 AM by BigSkyDiamond

[BigSkyDiamond]

I have noticed there are times during the day,  such as on my daily walks outside in nature, when i can feel the energy strongly for instance in my hands and arms, the same way it feels during Flying Phoenix qigong practice (i've been doing the five standing as a set together 60 minutes).  Since  I often use my walks for tapping into different healing modalities, can we consciously connect to the Flying Phoenix energy at other times than during our formal qi gong practice?  i.e. on my daily walks.   It sounds like Grand Master Doo Wai is saying (below) that we can connect and tap into the Flying Phoeinix Healing Qi. 

 

I remember reading somewhere in this thread that one of the reasons we "close" the Flying Phoenix exercises with closing breaths after each sequence is that if we don't and leave it open and running that it will become depleted within us.  (sorry i don't have the post at hand to link).  I want to make sure that tapping in to the Flying Phoenix stream is not depleting.  Hope that makes sense what I am asking.  Thank you.

 

 

On 10/17/2024 at 3:52 PM, zen-bear said:

 

(4.)   "Healing is the most important thing," said GM Doo Wai to me at the end of a session in 1992 when he had me record on video the 24 Monk Serves Wine seated meditations. Given the deep jhanic absorption that the basic FP Qigong exercises almost instantly snaps one into, and how quickly regular practice builds a reserve of the FP Healing Qi in the body, it is a matter of course that using the cultivated FP Healing Qi for healing purposes takes on a spiritual dimension.  Whenever I witnessed GMDW do an energy-healing, I always saw a visible, dense and darkish column of energy rise from the back of each  hand straight up infinitely into the Above. This is the Flying Phoenix "trunk" of Qi that GMDW said one could always "join" or tap in to when one was using the FP Healing Qi to do healing. 

Edited Monday at 05:47 AM by BigSkyDiamond

[-ꦥꦏ꧀ ꦱꦠꦿꦶꦪꦺꦴ-]

13 hours ago, BigSkyDiamond said:

which brings me to another topic I am wondering about.  I don't have the exact post at hand to link to, but in this thread it was about "internal" qi gong only being learned if someone already has training or background in the martial qi gong.  Other vigorous physical activity was mentioned also (hiking biking climbing etc).  I need to find the post to read again what it says exactly but it raised questions for me.  It something about doing the "internal" qi gong only without the other could have not good consequences.  My only physical activity is walking every day and my only interest in qi gong is for healing, medical, and religious development.  So i wanted to hear more on that and ensure that Flying Phoenix qi gong is safe for me and determine (hopefully confirm) whether it is a good fit for me or not.

In a lot of energetic healing systems, it is physically straining to use your muscles and fascia to faqi (emit your qi) out of the body, a proper martial arts or even HIIT practice is necessary to keep your body in shape to be able to do it properly.

 

Flying Phoenix differs as you don’t have to physically strain to emit the qi, it has more of its own intelligence and can spontaneously go to who needs it. I believe Sifu Terry mentioned it a few times in the thread, where you lay your hands over the intended patient.

 

Sifu Terry said before that a martial arts background is preferred for healing with FP, maybe for the discipline or better health of the practitioner but is not a hard requirement like for other systems. The more active and better your health and fitness is, the better you can help others.

 

 

 

[BigSkyDiamond]

4 hours ago, -ꦥꦏ꧀ ꦱꦠꦿꦶꦪꦺꦴ- said:

In a lot of energetic healing systems, it is physically straining to use your muscles and fascia to faqi (emit your qi) out of the body, a proper martial arts or even HIIT practice is necessary to keep your body in shape to be able to do it properly.

 

Flying Phoenix differs as you don’t have to physically strain to emit the qi, it has more of its own intelligence and can spontaneously go to who needs it. I believe Sifu Terry mentioned it a few times in the thread, where you lay your hands over the intended patient.

 

Sifu Terry said before that a martial arts background is preferred for healing with FP, maybe for the discipline or better health of the practitioner but is not a hard requirement like for other systems. The more active and better your health and fitness is, the better you can help others.

 

Thank you for responding.  Yes, this makes sense.  

[BigSkyDiamond]

On 11/7/2023 at 2:50 AM, Miffymog said:

And this link will give you a lot of very well structured information on the practice.

https://forum.alchemical.garden/branch/zenbear/
 

 

On 11/7/2023 at 5:00 PM, zen-bear said:

In the meantime, two of my very dedicated FPCK students in June of 2018 built an alternative blogsite called Alchemical Garden Forum that hosts its own FPCK thread because this one here at Daobums was being heavily trolled

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on the Alchemcial Garden Forum (henceforth, "AG")--very nicely created and moderated by  "Roots of Virtue" and "Earl Gray"--and now Pak_Satrio"--you will find well-edited and organized topical pages that provide good starting advice for beginners--such as what appear on this page:

type in alchemical.garden.forms  (forward slash( threads (fwd slash) 48.

 

And you'll find a large batch of FPCK-related  topics under this tab:

alchemical.garden.forms   (forward slash) branch (fwd slash) zenbear

 

Happy Explorations!

Sifu Terry Dunn

 

This link does not work for me.  Is this section still active, or is request for access needed?  I am interested.
Thank you.

Edited Monday at 04:41 PM by BigSkyDiamond

[Miffymog]

1 hour ago, BigSkyDiamond said:

 

 

This link does not work for me.  Is this section still active, or is request for access needed?  I am interested.
Thank you.

I don't think the website is still being maintained, which is a shame as there was a lot of very good material on it.

[BigSkyDiamond]

Interesting to note the last two days during Flying Phoenix standing practice  (i do the five standing in a single set, 60 minutes, done mid-day or early afternoon) that time stopped.   Time disappeared, it was gone. After the whole set was done, then time returned and it felt like usual.

 

The other curiosity i've noticed since 3 days ago, is now seeing my spinal column and vertebrae made of a different material.  Usually when i picture my bones or skeletal structure it is bone colored and bone textured (like the life sized skeletons hanging from a pole on a rolling stand, which  we used in all those classes in school learning anatomy and physiology and kinesioloy).  But now I am shown that my spinal column and vertebrae are still just as detailed but are transaprent and made of what looks like clear crystal.  That is strange.  It hasn't gone away or changed back, the sense i get is this is a replacement spine (i.e. not a visual for instructional purposes, which come and go for specific illustrations to show me something that is going on or where to work). And it is made of a different material.  When i look at other bones in m;y body they are still bone colored and made of bone.    

 

For about a week one of the "healing requests" i've been putting forth (i routinely actively work with about 3-4 intentions instructions put forth to let's call it my etheric healing team in non-physical form which provides medical treatments)  is straighten spine.    (the others at the moment for me are "strengthen immune system" and "balance vision" and "deep diaphragmatic breathing as natural").  For "me "straighten spine" includes and encompasses the specifics of: flatten curve in lower back, drop coccyx down, and anything related to the scoliosis.  

 

my sense is that the new spine made of a different material is related to that and the Flying Phoenix qigong.  I had added "straighten spine" to the list since starting the Flying Phoenix qigong and listening online to Sifu Terry Dunn answer questions and talk about flatten lower spine, and I want to have correct body mechanics in the qigong exercises.  

Edited Monday at 06:52 PM by BigSkyDiamond

[BigSkyDiamond]

15 minutes ago, Miffymog said:

I don't think the website is still being maintained, which is a shame as there was a lot of very good material on it.

 

Thank you Miffy.  Are we able to view archives for learning? I would love that.

[BigSkyDiamond]

On 6/8/2025 at 4:14 AM, -ꦥꦏ꧀ ꦱꦠꦿꦶꦪꦺꦴ- said:

Hi Diamond,

If you look at the exercises on Vol 1, Monk Gazes at Moon, Monk Holding Peach and Monk Holding Pearl would be the “zhan zhuang” equivalent for Flying Phoenix, collecting qi in the Upper Dantian, Middle Dantian and Lower Dantian respectively. 
 

Bending the Bows would move the qi gathered into the conception vessel and governing channel, and Wind Above the Treetops would move the qi out to your head, arms, and legs. Think about the movements and where the hands are placed over the body and it will make sense.

 

So once you understand this, try doing:

Monk Gazing at Moon (5+ mins)

Monk Holding Pearl (5+ mins)

Monk Holding Peach (5+ mins)

Bending the Bows (x18)

Wind Above the Treetops (x1)

This way you will begin the session by gathering qi to then move it around your body afterwards.

You may also do more than one repetition of Wind Above the Treetops but you must do the breathing pattern, opening and closing breaths between each repetition. 
 

Let me know how it goes.

 

 

Thank you for this helpful guidance and information Pak Satrio ꦥꦏ꧀ ꦱꦠꦿꦶꦪꦺꦴ.  I am still keeping set to 60 minutes with those five standing listed (do mid-day or early afternoon).    Body sensations felt during today's practice include coolness in the spine and lower back (for Monk Gazing at Moon); a lot of heat in the hands and forearms, some heat in lower back, but not an uncomfortable heat and no pain (Monk Holding Peach, Monk Holding Pearl).  LOTS of shaking and vibrating in the upper legs throughout Bending the Bows.  It is my favorite (Bending Bows) feels like it tubo charges everything and is the engine driving the bus.  It feels like priming a pump,  the up down together movement.   And whole body buzzing when we got to Wind Above Treetops.

 

This was the first time i noticed that for four of the five (all except Monk Gazing at Moon) things "kicked in" during the opening breathing sequence even before  starting the set.  That is new for me.    I am spending about 2 minutes between each of the five exercises, just standing in wu-ji, observing whatever is going on in my body.    Then for the next exercise,  a specific flow turns on. It is different from and not just a continuation of what i felt in the previous exercise. Usually i would feel that turing on during the exercise itself, but this time i felt it  turn on during the breathing sequence.

 

I am still astonished that i can do this set for 60 minutes and feel no pain whatsoever in my back between shoulders.  When I did Zhang Zhuang  (which i have done on and off since 2019) for any longer than 20 minutes i would end up with pain there that only disappeared when i stopped for several days.  With the exception of wu ji posture which always felt great.  I also would get fidgety and antsy during Zhang Zhuang, the time dragged.    With this 60 minute Flying Phoenix there is no fidgeting and i don't get antsy.  The clock documents that 60 minutes elapsed, but during the 60 minute practice there is no time.  That is one of my favorite "side effects" of Flying Phoenix.

 

Awaiting the arrival of the DVD set.  After they are received then I can start adding some of the sitting Flying Phoenix in the evening because it sounds like that is recommended by the subject matter experts.   But in all honesty, if these five standing are all i ever have, then i am happy with that because they are so powerful and are doing so much.   

 

 

Edited Monday at 10:00 PM by BigSkyDiamond

[BigSkyDiamond]

On 10/2/2023 at 6:51 PM, zen-bear said:

FP Qigong induces allostasis, and restorative, self-healing process that returns the body to homeostasis and normal health.  Any mundane energy state that is restorative and truly healing from any world tradition of wellness---Tibetan, Buddhist, Kaballistic, Gnostic Christian, So. African Sangoma, Islamic Hijama, etc.

 

The list above indicates Gnostic Christian, and Islamic Hijama, and Buddhist, 

however the entry for Kabbalistic is missing its corresponding identifier and source = Judaism.   

Judaism dates back to 3,800 years ago. 

 

The entry needs to read:

Jewish Kabbalah  or 

Judaic Kabbalah

 

As Sifu Terry so often reminds us:  honor the lineage.

Thank you.

 

 

"Kabbalah refers to the received wisdom of theology of Jewish practice built upon teachings handed down through the generations from Sinai. It is sometimes described as Jewish mysticism."

 

"Kabbalah isn’t a book, it’s an area of study, and thousands of texts deal with its subject matter. Those texts were written and compiled over a period of more than 2,000 years, and continues until today. " 

 

source  https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/170308/jewish/What-Is-Kabbalah.htm

 and Aish, Kaballah  link

 

Some of the most important and well-known kabbalistic works include Sefer Yetzirah, the Bahir,  Zohar, and teachings of the Arizal (Rabbi Isaac Luria). The Zohar is credited to Rabbi Shimon Bar Yochai who lived around 1900 years ago.  He is buried in Meron, Israel.  About two million people visit his burial site (kever) each year.  The Arizal is buried in Tzfat, Israel and that is also a pilgrimage site.  I have visited both of those kevrim (graves).

 

Edited Tuesday at 10:42 AM by BigSkyDiamond

[Miffymog]

16 hours ago, BigSkyDiamond said:

 

Thank you Miffy.  Are we able to view archives for learning? I would love that.

 

Just tried putting the link into waybackmachine and it said the URL was excluded, so I'm not sure if there are any way to look at archives, sorry.

[-ꦥꦏ꧀ ꦱꦠꦿꦶꦪꦺꦴ-]

21 hours ago, BigSkyDiamond said:

 

 

This link does not work for me.  Is this section still active, or is request for access needed?  I am interested.
Thank you.

The site isn’t active anymore. I managed to save some of the info and put it on Reddit here: 

 

https://www.reddit.com/r/FlyingPhoenixChiKung/s/ox3oaP24uF

[BigSkyDiamond]

Thank you both for checking and providing information, Miffymog and Pak Satrio..

[BigSkyDiamond]

I got my DVDs today !   Hooray this makes me very happy.

[-ꦥꦏ꧀ ꦱꦠꦿꦶꦪꦺꦴ-]

4 hours ago, BigSkyDiamond said:

I got my DVDs today !   Hooray this makes me very happy.

Enjoy! I would recommend not rushing to learn them all so quickly. Stick with volume 1 and 2 as long as you can

Edited yesterday at 06:53 AM by -ꦥꦏ꧀ ꦱꦠꦿꦶꦪꦺꦴ-

[Annnon]

On 05/06/2025 at 7:09 PM, BigSkyDiamond said:

And keeping Zhineng qi gong for my first thing in the morning practice (about 70-90 minutes).  I also do Zhineng in the evening.

 

So you mix both systems? 

 

One medical qigong(ZHINENG) and the other heavenly qigong(FPCK).

I think this is the same as me doing Spring Forest Qigong and FPCK. SFQ is also a medical qigong but I'm not sure if it uses heavenly energy, master Chunyi Lin teaches us to bring energy from the universe, but from what I understand, the energy we use in SFQ is not from heaven, it's our own energy, we just use it for helping us clear blockages, so even if it collects energy from the universe, the explanation is a bit different from FPCK, in which the whole energy comes heaven and thus it's considered a heavenly type of qigong.

 

 

 

On 05/06/2025 at 7:09 PM, BigSkyDiamond said:

there is an interview with Sifu Terry Dunn where he explains the breathing

 

Can you send me the link to this?

 

 

 

On 07/06/2025 at 2:57 PM, BigSkyDiamond said:

 I want to be sure to do them in order, since my understanding (reading this thread!) is that more effectively builds the energy. 

 

On 08/06/2025 at 8:14 AM, -ꦥꦏ꧀ ꦱꦠꦿꦶꦪꦺꦴ- said:

If you look at the exercises on Vol 1, Monk Gazes at Moon, Monk Holding Peach and Monk Holding Pearl would be the “zhan zhuang” equivalent for Flying Phoenix, collecting qi in the Upper Dantian, Middle Dantian and Lower Dantian respectively. 

 

On 08/06/2025 at 8:14 AM, -ꦥꦏ꧀ ꦱꦠꦿꦶꦪꦺꦴ- said:

This way you will begin the session by gathering qi to then move it around your body afterwards.

 

Okay so from these 3 quotes I can assume FPCK is a complete system by itself, is this affirmation correct?

 

What I've been doing is Zhan Zhuang and then SFQ, so I build more chi and then circulate it through SFQ moving exercises.

 

FPCK seems to work in this way but it's all in one system, so I could just stop SFQ and ZZ to focus exclusively on FPCK.

 

I thought FPCK only circulated the energy through the body with the breath control but it's a more complete system than that. Thanks for this information.

 

 

[BigSkyDiamond]

8 hours ago, -ꦥꦏ꧀ ꦱꦠꦿꦶꦪꦺꦴ- said:

Enjoy! I would recommend not rushing to learn them all so quickly. Stick with volume 1 and 2 as long as you can

 

yes.  for now I am fine with the five standing as a set mid-day (60 miniutes), and one seated in the evening (7 repetitions).  The tracking log i use documents 100-days on one page (shows daily blood pressure, walking, and qi gong practice).    My focus for now with the Flying Phoenix is eyes closed, verrrrrrry slow, deep relaxation, and resting deeply within.  to savor the goodies and enjoy the show.

Edited yesterday at 03:03 PM by BigSkyDiamond

[Annnon]

On 09/06/2025 at 2:41 AM, BigSkyDiamond said:

I want to make sure that tapping in to the Flying Phoenix stream is not depleting.  Hope that makes sense what I am asking.  Thank you.

 

On 09/06/2025 at 8:37 AM, -ꦥꦏ꧀ ꦱꦠꦿꦶꦪꦺꦴ- said:

Flying Phoenix differs as you don’t have to physically strain to emit the qi, it has more of its own intelligence and can spontaneously go to who needs it. I believe Sifu Terry mentioned it a few times in the thread, where you lay your hands over the intended patient.

 

I have this same question from the first quote. So you can't die healing people? I've seen masters who used too much of their energy on healing and ended up dying, heart attack, etc.. So when we use FP Chi to heal we aren't depleting our own energy too?

 

So I'm not sure but from what I'm understanding, the energy used when you try to heal someone (people, animal, insect) comes from heaven, the same source as the energy from the practice? Or we use our own built energy of FP Chi, but what if it runs out and someone does too much healing? Do you know what happens?

Edited yesterday at 03:09 PM by Annnon

[Annnon]

 

12 hours ago, BigSkyDiamond said:

I got my DVDs today !   Hooray this makes me very happy.

Which DVD's you bought?

[BigSkyDiamond]

16 minutes ago, Annnon said:

What I've been doing is Zhan Zhuang and then SFQ, so I build more chi and then circulate it through SFQ moving exercises.

FPCK seems to work in this way but it's all in one system, so I could just stop SFQ and ZZ to focus exclusively on FPCK.

 

I thought FPCK only circulated the energy through the body with the breath control but it's a more complete system than that. Thanks for this information.

 

in an earlier post Sifu Terry Dunn indicates that Flying Phoenix "subsumes" Zhang Zhuang.  So for me it feels like I didn't really "stop doing Zhang Zhuang"  but that it is covered included contained within Flying Phoenix when I do the set of five standing together as a set.  That is my understanding.  (For me the difference is that I feel more with Flying Phoenix, there is no pain after, i can hold the stances for longer, more naturally drop into no-time state, and the residual effects carry over into my daily life to a greater degree.)

[Annnon]

2 minutes ago, BigSkyDiamond said:

 

in an earlier post Sifu Terry Dunn indicates that Flying Phoenix "subsumes" Zhang Zhuang.  So for me it feels like I didn't really "stop doing Zhang Zhuang"  but that it is covered included contained within Flying Phoenix when I do the set of five standing together as a set.  That is my understanding.  (For me the difference is that I feel more with Flying Phoenix, there is no pain after, i can hold the stances for longer, more naturally drop into no-time state, and the residual effects carry over into my daily life to a greater degree.)

 

Nice, thanks!

Where did you learn this set of five standing exercises? Is it from one of the DVD's?

[BigSkyDiamond]

19 minutes ago, Annnon said:

 

Nice, thanks!

Where did you learn this set of five standing exercises? Is it from one of the DVD's?

 

The five standing which i do as a set all together are what is on the Flying Phoenix DVD volume 1 by Sifu Terry Dunn.  The other DVDs in the series (Volumes 2, 3, 4, 5, and 7) cover other parts of the Flying Phoenix system.  The description of what is on each volume is shown here on the catalog page:  https://www.taichimania.com/chikung_catalog.html

 

Bending the Bows (it is one of the five standing) for 18 times was recommended on this thread and i have found that very beneficial.

Edited yesterday at 03:47 PM by BigSkyDiamond

[BigSkyDiamond]

1 hour ago, Annnon said:

I have this same question from the first quote. So you can't die healing people? I've seen masters who used too much of their energy on healing and ended up dying, heart attack, etc.. So when we use FP Chi to heal we aren't depleting our own energy too?

 

So I'm not sure but from what I'm understanding, the energy used when you try to heal someone (people, animal, insect) comes from heaven, the same source as the energy from the practice? Or we use our own built energy of FP Chi, but what if it runs out and someone does too much healing? Do you know what happens?

 

I would like to hear more from others on that also.  

 

Also would like to confirm that Flying Phoenix is compatible with Zhineng.   Zhineng taps into draws on qi from "out there" in the universe, from the earth and beyond.  Does that qualify it as a "heavenly" qi gong?   

 

My background and training as a bodyworker (and licensed health care practitioner) with experience in several different healing modalities, has been when working on others to NEVER send from myself, but always connect to another source to send, and have it come through me but not from me.  The reasons are two fold: to avoid depleting myself and to avoid taking on other people's stuff.  (If gunk is being released from their system, i don't want it coming in to my system.)   So when Grand Master Doo Wai said (earlier post) that we can always tap into the Flying Phoenix Healing Qi (seen by some as visible columns reaching to the sky), that sounds to me like it (a) identifies the source stream flow; and (b) gives us permission to access.

 

Any and all input from those with more background and experience and knowledge is greatly appreciated.  I am a beginner with Flying Phoenix qi gong.

Thank you.

 

 

Edited yesterday at 04:19 PM by BigSkyDiamond

[BigSkyDiamond]

1 hour ago, Annnon said:

Can you send me the link to this?

 

I really liked this interview online, we get to see and hear Sifu Terry Dunn and there is so much good information, it is over an hour long, chock-full of goodies, insights, stories, and radiates shining enthusiasm.

 

www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pblWQWe9xM
 

Edited yesterday at 04:37 PM by BigSkyDiamond

[Chirising]

On 9.6.2025 at 11:25 PM, BigSkyDiamond said:

This was the first time i noticed that for four of the five (all except Monk Gazing at Moon) things "kicked in" during the opening breathing sequence even before  starting the set.  That is new for me.    I am spending about 2 minutes between each of the five exercises, just standing in wu-ji, observing whatever is going on in my body.    Then for the next exercise,  a specific flow turns on. It is different from and not just a continuation of what i felt in the previous exercise. Usually i would feel that turing on during the exercise itself, but this time i felt it  turn on during the breathing sequence.

Wow, you’re quite the hyper-responder. Or I’m a hypo-responder. I’m very happy with flying phoenix, but it took me a long time to feel anything. Even still you seem even more in touch with it, so I’m slightly jealous at your pace.

 

What do you attribute your duck to water-ness? Are you very intuitive about energy work? Is it your previous experience with other qi gong? Maybe you’re just a better person than I am and have splendid karma.