Antares

Liu- Yiming said it?

Yes, this is the most difficult part of the entire alchemical process - one must hold the virtuous lifestyle preventing the leakages. And of course,

Do you practice it? How do you understand it? How to produce the pill?

Well, only if these people can explain what is the pill in both traditions then it makes sense, otherwise it is just idle talking

But we are in "Daosit discussion" section of TDB. Not sure if you are aware of it. So, if I am wrong then just try to point out where exatly, and which part of you dying at which stage of real Alchemy. I have some experience of this sort but it was some Ego produced feeling of "dying" and I think it was some entity leaving my energy field. In such a case they can produce fear that this you who is dying and losing control.

Yeah, it is like here the guy has ingested the bottle of Elixir and now ready to flow

A few days I spoke to a man who thinks he does neidan and he stated the same westernized BS that Dao accepts and includes everything and thus the shit and pill of immortality ARE THE SAME bcoz Dao does not judge and deny anything and one needs just to flow with everything, and this would be Wu-Wei. This is state and one needs to do a lot of work before can reach it. Doing precedes non doing.

Sorry, I don't think Western alchemy is still valid. That' just westernized BS. What should die is your ignorance and NEGATIVE QI we have. You are NOT ur negative thoughts and emotions. And yes there is smth that can purify you, but I am not specialist in medicine so I wont comment it in re to external alchemy. But I believe it should work similarly to internal alchemy bcoz it is def-ly based on the same principles. How you can purify urself from impurities? There must be smth that has pure Yang and pure Yin qualities and then making you more and more Yang. Yang is life and prosperity, Yin is death and degradation. But this is not DYING and ROTTING, it is the process of ascension and expansion. I would say it is purification ans refinement but not death and decay. So just awareness is not Alchemy. You can be Yin Spirit and have awareness but very shallow one. May be they have they own Alchemy I dunno but it is not we are looking for. We need to know precise steps and concepts what and how to do, how to prevent degradation and death

How does this statement correlate with ???

Yeah, rotting body under the ground seems to be the alchemy as well according to your conception

I mean that in this context people have a lot of negative Yin qi which corrupts the overall balance and post heaven state of heart takes over the pre heaven one. Also we lose Ming throughout the day to day life "process". This affects our state of heart- mind as well. Also we have blockages due to many sorts of psychosomatic traumas in the past All stated above is just my understanding of course

What you think about this concept? (taken from The inner teachings of Taoism. Chang Po-Tuan commentary by -- Cleary Thomas )

I don't do CMC form and to be honest there are not many people who do it correctly, so I agree.for the most people this is the external choreography. Forms of this kind are more intended for combat application, and although there is a certain internal work involved, one needs to be at a sufficiently high level of practice to perform this form correctly. At the moment, I am not interested in the combat aspect. I am not sure if they have internal work which precedes this martial form in Yang style Taiji - Quan. It is not the best option to begin with this CMC form but many teachers teach it from the start. If I do Yang Taiji I would do "Taiji Chih" which is linked to Yang Luchan directly. There is quite enough internal work to do before one wants to do martial form and benefit from it. But there are some more internal forms in Taiji which are good for energy and overall balance. Yang or Chen forms are taught for commercial purposes IMO.

Ok, lets stop it here. You don't see the difference between historical sources which include information from some authentic lineages, and someone's personal belief.