steve

9 hours ago, old3bob said:

 

And when does silence on matters of violence act to contribute to violence?

 

 

And when does violence cause silence?

 

Another head hangs lowly
Child is slowly taken
And the violence caused such silence
Who are we mistaken

 

 

 

 

I've never considered myself a Dead head, never even saw them live despite multiple opportunities.

Nevertheless, a few of their tunes will always hold a very special place in my heart... 

 

 

 

 

4 hours ago, old3bob said:

 

right, with silence based in wisdom backed up by power and silence based in powerless fear being very different...

 

With those undeniably promoting powerless fear via violence being front and center in the world (or with some being behind the scenes) and often succeeding.

 

 

2 hours ago, Cobie said:

Beats me why you keep on posting about ‘doing something’. I asked you before if you do something and you didn’t reply to that, so I assume you don’t.  You did say you do some charitable donations, but that imo does not constitute ‘doing something”.

 

 

I often think about what I can be doing, feeling like I should be doing more, and one thing that keeps coming up is the silence; connecting with the silence in myself, and helping others to hear the silence, to feel the stillness and spaciousness of Being. In a time when I feel so impotent, I think that inner quiet is so rich with potential that it should not be under-estimated. For me it is far more valuable than expressing and reifying my anger and frustration through social media. 

 

What does that do but fan my own flames and those of others? 

I haven't seen much benefit from it in my own experience.

 

Consequently I've gotten back to teaching more and it's been really rewarding to hear the stories of the benefits of meditation, small and large, in people's lives. One recent story was of a young mom who has been struggling with the chaotic experience of caring for her toddler, worrying about their future... In a particularly frenetic moment she remembered her informal practice and was able to connect with inner stillness and silence. It took her only a few moments and out of that inner peace came the spontaneous warmth of connection with her precious child, transforming frustration into joy. It was beautiful to hear her describe her experience. 

44 minutes ago, old3bob said:

 

And when does silence on matters of violence act to contribute to violence?

 

 

Silence can certainly contribute to violence.

Silence can also contribute to solutions to violence.

The inner and outer voices that are rooted in emotional reactivity and intellectual over-activity can be a formidable obstacle to discovering something new and unprecedented; and the old answers clearly aren’t working.

Creativity comes more often from inner quiet than from strenuous effort.

21 hours ago, Taomeow said:

no help for them and no safety for their potential victims. 

 

For all the lip service about our addiction problems, Fentanyl, the need to kidnap foreign leaders and such…  addiction treatment programs are completely inaccessible for most who need them in the US

 

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There used to be 550,000 mental institutions in the US in the 1950s -- then they just shut down the whole thing, only about 600 remain today.  One would think the need just disappeared overnight... 

 

And those folks for the most part comprise our homeless population. I was working in hospitals in a major city when some of the largest inpatient facilities closed. Our homeless population exploded overnight, overwhelming ERs and outpatient clinics. Many of them ended up in prison or dead of hypothermia.

I know very little about your Grandmaster and his teachings but I know you are a very dedicated practitioner Dainin.

I am confident that you will be a vehicle through which his legacy will live on and benefit others.

My condolences on your loss

_/\_

On 3/1/2026 at 5:35 PM, Nungali said:

sometimes one just cant get  through to another .

 

Ain't that the truth,

very sorry @Nungali

17 hours ago, Nungali said:

worse still is when some individual sets themselves up as such an adviser ... a sort of 'judgmental guru ' and also  individuals adopting it to project out onto others

 

I think this dynamic applies to things like dream interpretation, tarot, psychoanalysis, and many other areas.

Certainly there are archetypes and commonalities, but they only go so far, IMO.

I hope I don't come off that way with my reply above, that's not at all what I intended.

I do think everyone can benefit from this type of investigation, provided they're in a good place mentally. 

But I consider it a very intimate and individual process.

 

1 hour ago, liminal_luke said:

 

Doing fine, thanks zerostao!

 

Glad to hear it Luke

1 hour ago, old3bob said:

 

"Advaita Vedanta is a major school of Hindu philosophy (darshan) focusing on non-dualism, positing that the individual soul is identical to the ultimate, formless reality  Propounded by Adi Shankara, it teaches that only Brahman is real, while the perceived, diverse world (aka duality, my insert) is a manifestation of illusion maya" from Ai

 

And it sounds to me like some or certain schools related to Buddhism and their interpretation's are along that line. 

 

 

Thanks

Not the case in Buddhist schools, as far as I am aware but i’m not that knowledgeable. That type of error is addressed by the Two Truths doctrine as well as the fourfold negation. At least that’s the way I see it. That doesn’t mean that Buddhist schools consider “dualism” to be “real” or true, mind you. Like Advaita Vedanta, Buddhist teachings do consider our perception of duality to be illusory, or I prefer to look at it as an incomplete understanding.

I consider it an invitation and an opportunity. I do buy it in that sense because over time it has proven itself to be true... for me.

If it doesn't seem to be true in a particular instance, rather than write if off as wrong, I allow the possibility that maybe I just didn't discover the connection... yet.

The way I approach it is this - 

When something elicits reactivity in me, I turn not toward the thing that I "don't like" so much but toward what I am feeling - in my body, in the inner and outer words and stories, the feelings, memories, expectations, and so forth.

Almost invariably, I make discoveries that show me something about myself. 

I find a lot of value in that process.

YMMV

On 2/17/2026 at 2:45 PM, old3bob said:

with some schools in complete denial of dualism

 

Which schools would that be @old3bob? I’m not familiar with any.

19 hours ago, Taomeow said:

Person C has always viewed qigong as a remedy for something. 

 

Person steve has a similar experience, that’s a very good way to describe how I’ve used qigong over the years. The practices are there when I need them, predictable and reliable.

I've practiced qigong for about 20 years.

One thing I've learned is that my expectations need to be realistic.

Certainly there are benefits from the forms I practice but qigong has not proven to be a comprehensive and complete system for me.

I practice both Shiba Luohangong and Ba Duan Jin and derive valuable and different benefits from each.

I have also continued to practice internal Chinese martial arts over that period of time - taijiquan, xingyiquan, and baguazhang. 

While I no longer compete or train martially with others, these have found a valuable role in my physical, energetic, and mental health.

Finally, perhaps most important to me is my meditation practice from a Tibetan tradition.

While I do think it's important to stick with a practice for a long time to really probe its depth and potential, 

I don't know that each one of us can expect to find a single practice or system that does everything we are looking for.

Some do and that is wonderful but it hasn't been that way for me.

I also think that we need to listen to our body and mind and maintain some openness and flexibility as our needs can change over time. 

 

 

House of Leaves, an unusual book about a house that’s much larger inside than physically possible…. really strange and compelling.

 

 

 

 

 

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On 2/14/2026 at 9:17 PM, Lairg said:

 

My own view is that spiritual planes are more important than the physical.

 

Each to their own

 

I won't bother you guys again

 

 

 

I sometimes cannot relate to things you post, but I can say that about every person here.

I love our idiosyncrasies and our collective weirdness.

I for one hope you stick around.

It just wouldn't be quite as interesting or exotic without you!

 

 

 

 

Someone asked me this question about a year ago and, without thinking much about it, what came out was... 

I am practicing for my death. 

It sort of surprised me, and them as well. 

 

My practice has become mostly informal, meaning not just on the cushion but in my day to day life, as often and consistently as possible.  It's wonderful to sit in a quite, comfortable room and practice but if my practice is not there for me when I am challenged and stressed, when I am suffering; if it is not enriching my life, and the lives of those around me in the moment, making me more kind, flexible, resilient, resourceful, creative... what is the point? (that is a rhetorical question, I am only speaking for myself - everyone has their own path and objectives).

 

So my point is that I continue to practice so that I can be supported to show up fully in my life and to be able to access and bring all available resources to any and every given situation to the best of my ability.

 

Death is likely to present the biggest challenge in my life.

How to let go of everything I have, everything and everyone I've known, and everything that I am?

And how to do it without too much suffering for myself and for those around me?

Of course, it's nice to say things like - I am God, I am the universe, I am the non-local awareness, Buddha, the Nature of Mind.

I am birthless, deathless... I have no fear of death.

But they are all words... the test comes when there is extreme pain, illness, when the body and mind are close to the end and loved ones are waiting and suffering.

What will it be like then?

 

I watched my father die not too long ago and there was so much pain, so much fear.

It was excruciating for him and those around him in the last few days.

 

Wouldn't it be interesting to navigate that with some peace, some confidence, some equanimity and directly experience that transition and what lies beyond with as much clarity as possible? 

Rather than be heavily drugged and hooked up to all sorts of high tech garbage?

I think so...  at the moment.

And of course, circumstances may change my mind when it's my turn.

Time will tell!

 

In the tradition I follow, it's said that we should be able to bring all life's experiences onto the path. 

Life itself becomes the practice.

So for me, at this moment, practice really has no endpoint, I guess I can say I am practicing to live and to die. 

 

 

 

5 hours ago, old3bob said:

 

and I'd say such a "sudden" which is now, is not really of time or on a time line.... 

(thus not strictly bound in ways that we might think)

 

I would say that for the practitioner, it is very much of time.

There is a very distinct before and after. 

20 hours ago, Bindi said:

Part of my method for dream work is to “feel the feeling” after the dream has been interpreted to the best of one’s ability, which I did by recreating the dream in my mind and allowing myself as much as possible to re-enter the feeling created by the dream image. Doing this for decades, slowly getting better at it, allows the full force of a feeling to be experienced over time, and really this is what a fully open emotional channel is. Rumi’s poem captures the work perfectly - 

 

 

The Guest House
Rumi
Translated by Coleman Barks

This being human is a guest house.
Every morning a new arrival.

A joy, a depression, a meanness,
some momentary awareness comes
as an unexpected visitor.

Welcome and entertain them all!
Even if they’re a crowd of sorrows,
who violently sweep your house
empty of its furniture,
still, treat each guest honorably.
He may be clearing you out
for some new delight.

The dark thought, the shame, the malice,
meet them at the door laughing,
and invite them in.

Be grateful for whoever comes,
because each has been sent
as a guide from beyond.

 

Your method for dream work is very similar to the method in my tradition for working with any experience, including dreams.

Just as you recreate and embody the dream in your mind and feelings, we do the same with any experience or person that generates reactivity. These can be very recent experiences, alive in us at this very moment. They can be remote memories, dreams, people who generate reactivity, future worries, any life experience.

 

We turn to the experience if it is active in the moment, or recreate whatever it is we want to work with as vividly as possible in body, speech, and mind. We sit with that for as long as it is fresh and alive. While we don't engage with it intellectually, we are often taken to earlier times and other experiences that may have some connection, often a connection we were not aware of. The one thing that may be a bit different is that we are working with the sense of a "me" who is being affected by the experience rather than hosting the experience itself. It's a very subtle but important difference in our paradigm. And we rest in the stillness, silence, and spaciousness. This is referred to as hosting pain identities. . It's a wonderful and powerful practice and one way we avoid the bypassing that can so easily happen to practitioners.

7 hours ago, old3bob said:

That's evolution, yes?

 

I can't see how anything I described is evolution.

Feel free to explain.

The perfect and pure mind, otherwise known as Buddha-mind, does not evolve.

 

7 hours ago, old3bob said:

 

  In Hinduism in general the Self does not evolve and knows the Self by the Self.  (with a pure mind being a great and  important  tool and preparation but not the Self, nor can mind cross the barrier of things which it is part of to reach or know the Self)

 

People like to say things like 'only the Self knows the Self,' in my tradition it is often referred to as "Self-awareness," but nevertheless the ones writing and talking about this stuff, teaching others, having realization, traversing the bardos, and engaging in practice are people. They are manifestations, expressions of the Self, not equivalent to the Self.

 

My teacher's teacher used to say, "Remember, we are not dzogchen, we are dzogchen-pa," -pa- referring to practitioner. Seeing yourself as "the Self" or the pure nature of mind, is an error, it denies our human form and related imperfections which color our experience, though they can be extremely subtle at times. This conflation leads to deviations in practice and understanding. 

 

This is just my experience and understanding of the tradition I study and practice.

Others may experience and understand things differently.

 

6 hours ago, stirling said:

You could be driving to the tire store,

 

...or to a vacation rental on Deep Creek Lake.

At least I had a few days off work to adjust.

It was a wild ride!

 

8 hours ago, old3bob said:

 

"...We remain human..." By Steve,  I wasn't sure of your import there (?) but 'if' we remain human then we have not yet realized that being identified as a particular human/mind is only an apparent and passing identity.  

 

 

I agree, it is an apparent and passing identity.

Nevertheless, it is how we experience life from birth to death, defined by this human form and sensory apparatus.

It is what we have to practice and realize with.

Realization does not mean that our human form vanishes, at least that is my experience.

It persists until death or rainbow body (in the dzogchen tradition).

Consequently, it is important for me to be aware that I am not the pure and perfect mind itself, i am a practitioner - which is an expression of that pure and perfect mind.

Conflating the two leads to errors in understanding and practice in the teachings I follow.

 

11 hours ago, oak said:

Food wise, it's all poison out there.

 

Expensive poison!

2 hours ago, Cobie said:

One cannot have a sensible discussion with someone from another Way, as long as either is locked up inside their own Way.

 

 

 

Yes, but one can have one hell of an argument!

DaoBums for the win!

 

6 hours ago, old3bob said:

 

the ways or teachings of renunciates are often being quoted at this site but a householder/family person can not rightly be a renunciate and also fulfill their householder dharma at the same time....In many/most Hindu traditions when a householder has fulfilled that dharma then they can transition to being a renunciate,  whereas some become vowed renunciates/monks or nuns of an order at a very early age.  What problems have you seen along such lines?  

 

I've not spent much time on the path of renunciation so I can't really comment much.

Not saying it would not be effective, even for me maybe, but I'm glad I found an alternative.

I do think it is a difficult path to tread for a householder.

 

 

6 hours ago, old3bob said:

 

"...We remain human and it is the human mind that experiences and recollects the release of limitations as some special state. That in and of itself is a bit of an error."  Steve

 

There is a lot packed into your sentence above! (and the related post)  Is there an 'if' in part of it?  My interpretation along that line would say that the traced memory of "it" is not "it".  (but that pointers/maps/signposts can surely help) 

 

Not sure where or if an "if" would fit in there, do you have a suggestion?

 

1 hour ago, Nungali said:

People get angrier with him .

 

Anonymous internet intercourse is always tricky... don't ya think?