dwai

10 minutes ago, Rocky Lionmouth said:

Ah @dwai thats a very interesting technique!

 

Besides stopping at discomfort or pain, wouldnt you recommend some incense, asking the particular deity to attend and explaining what you would like to do, have them consent and listen to their thoughts on the experiment before placing them inside your heart or even presuming to visit theirs?

 

I was just thinking how i’d react if some stranger manhandled me into their insides out of nowhere and then jumped into my inimate heartspace, i’d feel violated and most likely pretty outraged, i’d definetly have words with them.

 

At least wine and dine me before attempting any intimate contact, you know?

I’m assuming there’s a level of familiarity with the deity/being already. In Indian traditions they are called “ishta devata” (deity of your choosing). One is supposed to pick their ishta devata — it used to happen in India organically when I was a kid. We will find that we resonate more with certain deities or teachers. That is our cue. 
 

Having a mantra practice is a good way to introduce oneself to the deity. But really the deities don’t discriminate on who they allow to share their presence so long as the intent is pure. If it isn’t, it won’t work anyway. 
 

incense and mood setting etc are good too - but imho they’re more for us and the get us to loosen the left brain more. 

29 minutes ago, Chainer said:

 

This is interesting. 

 

I've had anahata sounds on my 'big list of things to ask about' when I'm on this forum for several years, but never got round to it, so hope you don't mind a couple of questions. 

 

The ringing in my ears has got considerably worse in last 3 to 4 years, much as its been there as long as I can remember - I've always had sensitive hearing. I have 2 layers of sound, that act separately and don't seem connected. 

 

1. the subtler of the 2, a continually pulsing sound, changes every 1 to 2 secs, with 2 distinct tones only, sounds like a modem and gets worse with sensitive tooth paste use ( known side effect). Happy to write this one off as a form of tinnitus and seems directly connected to strong wifi sources.

2. the much louder one, a thick overlay of sound as a constant tone that does sound like cicadas, however it does seem to change tone out of the blue, usually with a sudden thought form or emotional mood change, and can stay in this changed state for several hours. I used to think it was simply tension release in my neck/shoulders but I can't replicate the tone change by manipulation.    

Try this out — when you sit down to meditate, in your mind’s eye, visualize some higher being you want to connect with, as sitting in your heart center. With as much detail without obsessing over it as you can. When it clicks, you will feel your heart vibrating, like it’s filling up with the presence of the being (some deity or Great master). 
 

Stay with that for a while, letting that presence wash all over your body. 
 

observe what happens with the tone you’re hearing. 
 

next, switch your attention to a spot approx 18” above your crown. Do the same process — feel the presence there and this time, you feel yourself flowing upward and filling up the ‘body’ of this deity or being. Stay with whatever happens for a while — observe what happens with the tone. 

VERY IMPORTANT— if you feel tired or feel any pain while doing this, you are overdoing it. Stop immediately. It should come easily and naturally. If it is hard, don’t try it until you feel drawn to it again. 

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The only other person I've asked was a guy who claimed to practice an ancient form of 'Shaktisim', who has given me very good advice in several areas of meditation, however many of his interests seemed very dark in feel and obscure in terms of method. 

 

He told me that its 'anahata' sounds, then asked me a couple of questions before telling me I was probably between level 2 or 3, and I would need to do a specific practice if I wanted to progress to higher levels. Was very much focused on Yantra's at the time which he knew a lot about, so did not progress the discussion as it seemed to be a bit of a rabbit hole. However I've become a lot more interested in auditory stuff recently after various other experiences I've started to have, which seem connected to the Yantra work.

not sure what level 2 or 3 means. One of my kriya yoga friends said his guru says these sounds are sounds of the divine talking to us. To try and discern what is being said. 

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Only other thing I'd add is that the main sound has now got so loud its a constant companion, I don't need to cover my ears to hear it, its very persistent even in a loud environment, but does not bother me as I can switch my attention off it easily enough.  

yes it has been like that for me for years now. It is not tinnitus — tinnitus is very unpleasant in my experience. The sound freq varies from 10K - 18-20K Hz for me.

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Any thoughts or advice on any type of practice would be gratefully received. 

 

        

Try what I suggested above if you like. Not sure what your background is, but it seems like you have a tantra/yoga practice based on what you’ve written. 

7 minutes ago, Rocky Lionmouth said:

 

This! Thanks my friend.

 

I had recurring tinnitus but over the years it lessned into almost never occuring, and that sound is horrible. Deeply unnerving even if compared to the sound of Dao which can be used as an analogy. The latter is not deafening or distracting, Dwais description of it as a thread of is very apt, eerily so.

 

It’s my current understanding that this sound is like almost all of the things related to energy: not a perception or interpretation of the energy itself but rather what occurs as a correlated phenomena when that particular process is allowed to happen and experienced.

 

But i think that, which is a sort of rule with these things, it is a confirmation that something has already begun and the meresr perceptible testimony of this is just that sound, at an early stage. Who knows about later?

 

If you’d go to someone who knows evermore of this truly they prolly tell you to never mind the ringing in your ears, just like it is no accomplishment for a healthy body and spirit to acknowledge hunger or needing to pee. You go do your thing and get back to the important business.

When it started happening to me, the cicadas in my backyard would start singing their symphony in sync with i — when I did taichi in the backyard. Then I started hearing them inside the house, which is almost 100% soundproof from outside sounds.

Haha 😂 I thought there was a cicada factory in the walls....

Then I connected with my friend remotely one time and the cicadas and wind chimes —- thousands of them going off at once - but not loud, started. He said, “do you hear the cicadas?”
I said, “all the time!” 

I said, “do you hear the windchimes?” 

he said, “all the time!”

Then when we interact with other “higher” beings in the astral and causal planes, the tone changes. I think everyone has a “different signature tone”, if we pay some attention.

Iinm @Spotless used to mention the “tone” of different people...
 

1 hour ago, EmeraldHead said:

they are not dan tiens mate and you know it. I can see that you like to combine words like a puzzle. Dan tien is physical body. You know it. I know what you mean though, but reading precisely it's a moldy soup.

I’m not so sure that Dantien is physical body. Why is it so? Where ‘in the physical body’ is a Dantien. Yes they do seem to have some correlation with physical locations , but they are themselves not physical. 

1 hour ago, EmeraldHead said:

The self doesn't have a subconscious. That is the mind.

Very perceptive  

it is the mind that the Self uses to both veil and then again find itself — it is a peculiar game of hide and seek 😃😃

1 minute ago, gatito said:

 

As I said, just ignore it.

 

Think of it as a spiritual practice (i.e. ignoring it).

 

Perhaps that will help you to get over it yourself?

 

I don’t really think specific threads are the issue I was pointing at. I think the general tone & tenor of the forum has declined (imho). What used to be a source of quite deep (though often heated) discussions has now descended to name calling and ad hominem. 
 

14 minutes ago, Earl Grey said:

My own personal grief on this forum started under the old admin, and when they were removed and we descended into anarchy (rather than ascended into True Anarchy), a lot of it came out in a cathartic manner.

yes there was a brief period of catharsis and then we truly descended into anarchy. 

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Let me say that the first conflict that arose here with me was when someone picked a fight when I was trying to build bridges, then two threads I started about individual members was because I was sick of them trolling threads. The most recent individual I have made personal peace with in my own heart, and don't mind him so long as he stays in his own lane. 

I think that’s as much as we should expect on an Internet forum. I quite liked the old way of OP owning their post, so they could close conversations out or hide comments which derailed from their original intent. Maybe it could be revived. 

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The current grief going on now has enough details in its thread and was a long-time coming, so I can't blame the responses.

I hope it runs its course and then there is healing sooner rather than later.

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Anyway, long-standing censorship and authoritarian repressiveness to preserve peace doesn't mean there is a harmonious society or strong and peaceful community, it just means that the guards in the prison have the guns pointed at you and are more than happy to off you and those whom you fight with so they can go back to their comfortable chairs and televisions eating pizza and wondering why the prisoners who get free meals and a bed are so unhappy together, which was the state of the former admin here. 

I must admit that under Karen and siva, much autocracy had been unloaded on us lowly bums. But that’s done — time to let it go? 

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So while you ask for the bickering to stop, it's been there the whole time--people just weren't allowed to speak up. Eventually, some sort of order will hopefully come and I propose that we come together later to form an ad hoc self-governance in true Anarchic style while Sean is gone and no admin is here, which I will start another thread on later. 

If we are in the laissez faire mode, we need to be equipped to ‘turn off the noise’. Not sure what the solution could be. 

I feel sad for the state of affairs off late. Maybe I’m a bit more sensitive this year — energetic shifts have been unfolding since November 2019. That aside,  there is a very polarizing power approaching us (has been for many years (15+) now — per my Master) — makes us want to ‘shore up the defenses and circle the wagons’ in a us vs them construct. 
 

Maybe things need to be worked through, maybe they don’t. Some wounds need to be cleaned before they can heal, some only get worse by being agitated. May each of us have the wisdom to discern and work  in the right way. 
 

I can only share my thoughts on the escalating animosity on the forum — it is not good, not healthy and especially if it becomes a long drawn and protracted one. 
 

7 hours ago, KuroShiro said:

 

The Dao De Jing was written from Universal Consciousness, being Universal there is no place in which it's not present, so you could say it's the intelligence of the DT.
 

 

this is a very insightful observation. 

7 hours ago, KuroShiro said:

 

 

Can you share more about the other 'dantiens'?

thanks.

there are other dantiens outside the boundary of the physical body. There is one above the crown (~ 18” above it) - that is the one that connects us to the “higher Self”. Think of it this way — 

our body is the physical body. There is an astral/energy body which contains the physical body — that’s where the Qi etc are moving. 
Then there is the causal body, which contains the astral. Our experiences and destiny etc are determined in the causal plane — which has to deal with karma. 
 

When our inner vision develops to a point where we can know the causal plane, things become very clear. This 8th center above the crown and higher are the gateway to increasing clarity etc. 

But I suggest that even if you haven’t developed those capabilities (ie accessing the astral or causal), you can still be awakened — by first realizing what is it that gives us the ability to know. By simply holding on to this essence, little by little (or all at once) a clarity will arise and we can see through all phenomena.

7 hours ago, KuroShiro said:

 

 

That sounds.. horrible?

I thought the Dao was soundless haha. What a bummer thanks for sharing.

 

Not horrible at all — sound is an interpretation of the mind. This sound can take us deeper into our Self, like a thread rising out of silence — we can track it back into silence. 

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Lovely poem -- but not very complete in terms of understanding. Trying to add another verse here -

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Stay with that for a bit longer

you are that which knows

both the biophotons

and the luminous being.

They come and go 

you remain.

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3 minutes ago, Cleansox said:

In the moderation logs 

You will find 

Remembrance lost 

Entry into the Troll Hall of remembrance is a trophy every troll wishes for. Can you imagine the legendary status they would have acquired...now they can fly across the universe riding their third eye AND be immortalized on the internet!  

12 minutes ago, rideforever said:

 

Yes the Taoist awakening is of the LDT.  The TTC and other texts are written from people who experience the world through the intelligence of the Dantien, therefore they intrinsically feel the flow of energies within the world.  This is different to the awakening of the Heart and traditions that do that like Sufism which feel the world through the intelligence of the Heart.

 

Whichever centre your tradition is working on there is actually hidden a centre of centres.  This is in the forehead.  It is so difficult to awaken that it is always awakened 2nd or 3rd stage, or not at all.   And it is partially developed through the awakening of any centre.  Perhaps this is not interesting but I say it anyway.

So a Sufi has an awakened heart plus a partially developed centre in the forehead (that he might not realise).

A Taoist has an awakened LDT plus a partially developed centre in the forehead (that he might not realise).

etc...

One of the implications of this is that whichever path you work on you should always do "awareness practices" (even if you are only interested in love or energ) because Awareness assists all awakenings and is close to the centre of the forehead.

 

In my experience, when awakening occurs, energetically the dantiens fuse into one super-dantien. So really, while it is possible to operate from each of these different dantiens (and we do it from application perspective, especially in the martial context), the awareness is unconditioned and prior to association to anything in the physical or the energy body. 

Actually there are other 'dantiens' which are outside the boundary of the physical body as well -- all of those fuse into one. 

2 minutes ago, rideforever said:

 

Awakening is of a particular centre, we have various centres inside ourself like the heart in the centre of the sternum.  This is where our feelings emanate from in our human life, that is its function in terms of human life it feels.  But to awaken it means it reaches a state of self-recognition ... something like it has intelligence and it's intelligence feels itself and creates a "singularity" it becomes a permanent state of self-recognition or self-knowing ... in the heart.  It is the same for all the centres.  Dantien, Consciousness, Awareness, Solar Plexus etc... there are many centres.

Due to cultural difference (some cultures more grounded, some more feeling, some more intellectual) the culture develops different types of awakening.

It is true that behind all of this is a single centre that is the prime centre ... this is in the forehead ... this is the primal centre ... but it is quite difficult to awaken.  When you awaken the heart, SP, dantien, Consciousness .... you are also partially awakening the centre of centres in the forehead.  Like I said it is very difficult to awaken this one because it is so central so close ... it is too close.  So it is easier to work with Consciousness, Awareness or one of the other centres where there is a bit of space to see what is going on.

Chinese cultures for whatever reason is grounded meaning it is down close to the earth, therefore Dantien.  And because of being down there they have become energy masters hence the internal arts.

afaik

Very interesting. Thanks for sharing your thoughts.

So which one is the Daoist awakening? Awakening of the LDT?

And the awakening of other traditions is that of the Heart? Or the Forehead? Maybe I didn't understand your answer entirely.

What is death?

P.S. Looks like no one bit at that one. 

P.S.S. I meant it as a real question, not a rhetorical one. Have you (reader) actually thought about what death means?  

Does it mean that the 'individual' ceases to exist? Or is it just the body that ceases to function?

A little investigation will lead us to realize that we can't say for sure if the one who animates the body ceases to exist when the body dies...

In the Bhavagad Gita 2:22, Lord Krishna says --

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वासांसि जीर्णानि यथा विहाय
नवानि गृह्णाति नरोऽपराणि |
तथा शरीराणि विहाय जीर्णा
न्यन्यानि संयाति नवानि देही || 22||

vāsānsi jīrṇāni yathā vihāya
navāni gṛihṇāti naro ’parāṇi
tathā śharīrāṇi vihāya jīrṇānya
nyāni sanyāti navāni dehī

 

 

I modified the translation a bit to be this --

12 minutes ago, rideforever said:

Awakening is a very different kettle of fish.

Anyway Taoism relates to the awakening of the Dantien which does not really require any taichi or qigong, it is more akin to Indian practice just done at that level.  But internal arts have their benefits, but I am sure that most internal arts practitioners, if they do reach awakening they simply get awakened into the State of Awareness which is not the real Taoist awakening.  Such a person will have strong qi abilities, the State of Awareness in the head ... but not the Taoist awakening ... strange but true.

What do you think Daoist awakening is? And why do you think it differs from awakening in other traditions?

2 hours ago, Starjumper said:

The other part, which you touched on, is my growing unwillingness to get into a back and forth with clueless people, who often act like assholes, whether passive aggressive or just plain aggressive, for example when NumbNuts jumped all over me, including lies, just for mentioning a name and an experience I had, in an eight word phrase.  I've gone through that bullshit for too many years now.  I feel the waste of time and energy, and I feel I would rather do other things, like work in the orchards and gardens.  It has taught me more and more to not join in to discussions, because no matter what I say, some moron with a vendetta might jump on it.  That's also the main reason I said I only come here to promote my book and videos, which I think I should stick to more now.

I can totally relate to the highlighted part. usually it takes more effort to argue about stuff than it does to ignore something (and in some extreme cases, outright dismiss some clueless folks). I usually say that I bow out of such discussions as it doesn't serve any purpose, and that such folks clearly don't have the experience to understand what I've said. It is not so much about "I'm better than you" as it is "you need to walk a mile in my shoes to know what I'm saying" -- but people being people will usually misconstrue it to be the former case. 

8 hours ago, Cleansox said:

In the name of cross-cultural referencing, have you ever linked this to anuttara (the unstruck sound) and/or the iconography surrounding Siva? 

 

It is a constant companion.

The Anahata sound is ringing in my inner ear 24x7. The Daoists call it the sound of Dao (my master calls it the sound of emptiness) -- sounds like a waterfall or thousands of windchimes going off at the same time, or thousands of cicadas buzzing at the same time at a very high pitch. 

I'm not pitching right now, but if you get a copy of my novel and read it, I cover a lot of these topics in it. 

2 hours ago, Cleansox said:

@dwai Hi! Hope you are not feeling that I am picking on you (lots of that going on at the moment), I just find this subject interesting and would like to share my opinion.

I'm used to the 'love'...though usually the more intense (and unintelligent) critics are put on my ignore list. However, I am always open to civilized exchanges  

2 hours ago, Cleansox said:

 

In my vocabulary, what you described in the quoted context was working with xin leading in to xing, that would also be how I interpret the process mentioned by Spotless in the thread about qigong (would post a relevant link here but me and my cellphone won't manage that together 😁) where he writes about breaking down structures. 

Yes breaking down structures is letting go of conceptual constructs. When we start observing the mind with detachment but great focus, it becomes apparent that every bit of identity that we have is a story that is propped up based on memory and a combination of narratives (social, cultural, religious, educational and so on). Even our gender itself is a story, albeit a more body-based one. 

2 hours ago, Cleansox said:

My experience would say that Ming is a fuel, working with it affects Xing, but I can work with Xing without having a conscious youwei on the Ming. 

Some people have retained enough of what they were born with (due to karma -- but can be attributed in certain cases to proper upbringing) that they don't need to do the ming work. Their minds are naturally tranquil that with minimal practice they are way ahead of others who have to do a lot of work. 

2 hours ago, Cleansox said:

Does that make sense, or am I just flapping my uvula here? 

Not at all...makes perfect sense to me  

4 hours ago, freeform said:

 

 

That's what you thought Daoist practices were all about?

  not me..,but many do. You only have to know how to look for such worthies  

9 minutes ago, liminal_luke said:

 

No worries, Dwai -- I caught your meaning.  To be honest, I never feel tempted to overeat when I see other people acting idiotically.  Sometimes though, when I catch myself doing something foolish, I´ll have a cookie.

Its been an interesting process of understanding where overeating happens from. Mainly from the  habit of feeling a certain way in the stomach. The way the stomach feels can levitate or ground us (finally getting back to the OP ) 

7 hours ago, Heartbreak said:

Will Higher Dimensional Beings ever show themselves to the masses?

You don't even know but you yourself are a Higher dimensional being  

7 hours ago, Heartbreak said:

Why would the Universe & Buddhas & Bodhisattvas & Gods & Goddesses & Archangels maintain those veil of samsaric illusions over all the masses’ eyes?

You know what a mirage is? It is something that isn't there, though it looks like it is there. When you go closer it disappears. Again, step backward and you see the shimmering waters in the horizon. Go closer again, and it disappears. Such a phenomenon is said to both exist as well as not-exist. There is no real water there. But it seems to be present. All it takes is proper investigation. Similarly with Samsara's illusions -- they seem to be there...but when we look closely, there isn't any illusion. Get distracted, and the illusion bothers us, deludes us. Again get focused, and the illusion disappears. 

Seeing the illusion and knowing it doesn't exist -- both are on us. When we know that the illusion doesn't exist - we ARE the Higher dimensional being. Get deluded by the 'illusion' and we're normal. 

7 hours ago, Heartbreak said:

Why not give us uncultivated humans free access to the highest most powerful spiritual magical information technologies immediately so that all humanity can become enlightened humans at once?

It's readily available, hidden in plain sight -- it is your own Self  

27 minutes ago, liminal_luke said:

 

That´s just it though.  Maybe it´s a style thing, but I don´t see the point in telling people that they´re idiots.  It´s always a bother for the idiot in question.  If you called me an idiot -- and you might -- am I likely to consider your opinion and change my idiotic ways?  That never happens.  Idiots get angry when you point out their shortcoming; they don´t reform. Does it give pleasure calling others idiots?  There might be some fleeting low-grade satisfaction asserting superiority, but why bother when there are so many better ways to feel good?  I´d rather look at a sunset, read a poem, or eat a taco.  

 

OK; here´s my idiot plan.  I¨m going to eat a carne asada taco everytime I read a post written by an idiot.  Rather than use the laugh button, I´ll post weekly selfies in my PPD documenting my weight gain.  Laugh if you must.

 

 

To be clear - I wasn't laughing at you, but at the plan of eating a carne asada taco...it hit too close to home (though I don't eat carne asada)...  

50 minutes ago, Bindi said:

it seems to depend on the aim. Endlessly unfolding energy development or developing the yangshen spirit. I’ve had this conversation with dwai before, and at least at that point he thought developing the yangshen spirit was dualistic, therefore a lesser goal than nondualiy which at that point was his ultimate goal.

I still stand by that -- developing the immortal fetus is a great liberation if you see it from the perspective of what @Small Fur posted in 

It can also be a great prison if you're looking to be a  universe traversing 'literal immortal' who can do magical deeds of great power. All genuine spiritual traditions will take the student to a point where they will be given an option -- "Become a 'master' of the universe (or a spiritual overlord/protector of a particular world or realm) -- ie become a deity (in essence), or cut through the allure of such power-trappings and become forever free by realizing your True nature. 

Anyone who chooses to become that 'literal immortal' will come back to a karma-land to have to work through their karma, and eventually become free, however good that kind of 'immortality' might be -- see @silent thunder's beautiful post on it here -- 

Those who have seen this/been offered this will know. But then again there are those (like my Master) who keep choosing to come back again and again for the sake of the sentient beings who are stuck in samsāra, due to their compassion. These are called Bodhisatvas.