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I wouldn't know how to direct another in where balance lies in their remarks or reactions my friend

what can you say about finding ones balance  ?   how to find that balance ? 

meditate a lot ?  if so how will that help ?

is the balance state  what is called "going with the flow"   or any other definition ?   how do you "Go with the flow"  ?

 silent thunder

not in anger actually  - vast majority of my remarks are not  ( and just to be clearer  not talking about any forum remarks i made but other stuff , where some are made in anger but many are not  )

 @silent thunder   

what would you say in case of remarking people  -    i tend to remark a lot to people   -  it seems to me as if it changes some stuff  for the better after the remark  

but it seems im overdoing it some time  ,  so i wonder how you find the balance ...  and also is there a path without remarking ?

Not sure how to ask things accurately ,     but im trying to get the whole  "going with the flow"  thingy  is    (as good as possible  so i can implement it in as many different cases as i can) the whole "spontaneous action"  thing  etc     ( i get the gist of the things  but not in a good enough way to start to implement it in life  )

22 minutes ago, Nungali said:

" One can easily take off one's coat when it is too warm to wear one .

 

One cannot easily  fix the bumps in the road while on a bus journey . "

 

- Tao Te Ching  Ch 84.

 
probably i didnt write it  clear enough  -  i will try to clarify it more :

  im asking this as an example  just to get the idea of action vs no action   and  also  acceptance and level of acceptance of things  ,   so  my examples are not good someone can use other examples  or no example at all and just explain the concept in a way i could get it better (even if not fully - better is good) 

also  in the talk with my friend on the bus  he didnt explain it like that is the reason  - but just as something about  him wanting to experience things  and how he might in other times  choose to stay with the coat on  just in order to feel that heat sensation and be with it   .   he never said  its cause he cant do something about the bumps     -  and the  conversation started cause i lifted myself a bit up before i saw some bumps on the road  which is something to do about the bumps without needing to fix them  ( also i was even considering standing instead of sitting etc) 

On 5/20/2020 at 6:55 PM, silent thunder said:

I experience no dissonance when I act to alter conditions, or refrain from action, in regards to acceptance.

 

My draw to act is a natural expression of my acceptance to be an agent of action within co-arising conditions.

As my refraining from action is a natural expression of my acceptance that there is no draw to alter current conditions.

 

Acceptance is not reliant upon acting, not acting... it seems only reliant upon acknowledging what is.

Action or stillness do not determine acceptance... for me.

 

In this manner... wei wu wei can encompass flurry of action, or stillness, or any of the spectrum between...

@silent thunder    "My draw to act is a natural expression of my acceptance to be an agent of action within co-arising conditions."

can you expand on that  or give example (/s)   of that  or  say the same thing in different words  ?  

 

@Welcomer  can you give examples in daily life decision making ?

in remarking someone about something  -   do you accept what he does or you remark him ?  always accept other behavior never remark ?

do you accept reality and everything you expirence ?  and if you what is your motivation to do actions ?  

@Welcomer  What exactly do you mean by  " how it can flow better "  ?    how you define "flow better"  ? 

@wstein    Awesome replies like always - thanks for the extra effort  

Its great you put all three examples    -   i would like to focus on the  "fully realized"   

The   3 examples  where  me trying to understand   :    1 =  question about when to remark people   

  2 =   A case where i was riding a bus with an "advanced" (spiritually)  friend   , on a  bumpy road ,  i was worried my back would get damaged and have pain at the end of the ride  -  so tried to lift myself up a bit before bumps on the road  -    the friend told me to just accept the pain and worries and even enjoy a back massage ,,,  i did  and by the end of the ride i had zero pain  which was great ....  yet in the ride  he was sitting next to a sunny window  so he took off his coat ...    and that throw me off  a lot and confused me ,  i asked him about it  ,   and he said something along the lines of  he felt like exploring the bumps thing but didnt want to deal with the heat much at the moment (emphasis on along the lines)  

so its a question about how far we take the acceptance  and do we accept everything  (   and   all  3  examples are of course on the same thing  and are squished togther  - cause you can say not wearing a coat in a hot place can be an issue of health  like the chocolate example , and it can be an example of when to accept for example another person putting the temperature of  a room  too high  (with the air-conditioner)  ) 

3  =     about when to do actions that are purely for fun   even if its not in order to help others  or help myself so i can help others  (for example  eat a salad so im healthy so i dont get sick and than i wont be able to help others)  



*  in general im trying to figure understand more about disicon making  and acceptance of events in life  (vs acting to change them)
 

@idiot_stimpy   like shaking , like movments of a washing machine , like people feel in a weak earthquake   ,  my desk table for example feels like it moves a tiny bit left the tiny bit to the right (its not moving visibly to the eye it   just feel like it)

i feel last few days when it got warm where i live  a lot of vibration on my desk on the floor  (and when i walk away for something like 30 minutes also vibreations in my chest , heart area    - the neighbors are using some very strong air conditioner  and i wonder if i feel the vibrations just cause of that    cause other family members dont feel it  maybe its cause im closer to the air conditiner  or   maybe some qigong i did caused me to be more sensitive to vibrations  or maybe its some qi deviation of some sort- though i dont think thats the case   - cause it does stop after an hour when im away from the room in the house where i stay at most of the day and where i feel the vibrations well
 

 @wstein
 

8 hours ago, wstein said:

I'm not one of them but each to their own. I take bother to indicate there is a block to me fully and directly

expressing my inner nature.

 
(just to say again  - what you write is gold , and i get the gist of what you are saying - im trying to clarify as much as i can also your replies answer other questions i have so its nice to get that extra info - but still you gave me the main reply so feel free to stop replying even though i tag you just to make sure you see the question even if you would decide not to answer it   ) 

so for example my neighbors  is very noisy ....  to  remark or not to remark (and why)  ?   

would i take of my coat when the weather gets hot ?

when i eat would i take the chocolate i think is tasty  or it a salad ?

(and yes this are  very "open" questions/examples on purpose)
 
 

@wstein       your replies are great   , i get things better by each reply  - but i guess i wont get a 100%  answer to this outside of actual practice in daily life but i ask to get the most benefit that i can that is all - feel free to stop replying when you want

what about remarking people on stuff  that bother you ?    same like driving ? 

and in the driving example and the remarking example about  -  when or how do you know when you are  overdoing the "trying" and "achiving" ?

 

@wstein       can you give a spesific example from life ? 

for example maybe with the car and sunset ?     as in  if  i get to the car to see the sunset  - i am trying to achieve to see that sunset   - i want to achieve that pretty sight

  Thanks a lot i needed to read that and was the main reason behind this thread   -  i heared that in real life  but really to get confirmation it exists in a taoist forum was important for me

@exorcist_1699     what is your view about health and buddhist practitioners  ?    (as opposed to daoist ones  , as how a buddhist should keep his health etc etc ) 

4 hours ago, SongShuhang said:

How do you know you are 100% happy, and not 100% lying to yourself.

 
Cause If you are 100%  happy than you accept everything you experience so you accept " Ageing, sickness, disease, pain, weakness, loss of relatives "        if you are truly happy   ....     you can sit and meditate through pain and boredom and itches and temperature and noises  etc  and not be bothered by them  , and can meditate an hour whenever   -    and can work hard for others all day and be ok with it 100% every second , and all the food you buy is 100%  for health reasons  and not eat  nothing extra thats not for your health                 (    that is  of course  just thoughts on the spot and i am not 100% sure about them  -  but just so you get the gist of things   -   maybe its still lying deep down i didnt reach that stage yet so i cant tell you for sure about it) 

But that is of course a very hard thing to achieve  , i am trying to get there with the practice of being more accepting of everything that arises ,     but im trying to see  where is the "middle way"     of things  on the road to that goal  and how close i can get to that goal without breaking or without over doing it 

So stuff like  to not do anything for fun  ,  is something i did do for short times  ( for example i think around  from a few days to a month in retreats for example)                        but than there are thoughts about how far should i  stretch things    - is having the air conditioner one  considered fun ?      

  -  For example driving  especially to see the sunset  is for  fun     ........   that is why i was very interested and asked @wstein  about it  eagerly  (i still dont get it) 

If im now trying to practice  accepting everything  in my life .............       why do i act to change stuff ? 

thats maybe a better question  -      if im now happy with everything  and im happy with the temperature   : 

  should i not put the air conditioner on (Even though its 40 degrees)  ?      

i would eat i would sleep i would drink water ...  and maybe help others  -  but wont do anything for fun ?  wont go drive a car to see the sunset ?

   

 

I didnt do it on purpose  -  that was what i am trying to say  - i forgot about that  thread   ,,, made a new  one  and  it happend to come to me to write the title the opposite way ,,,  not on purpose  maybe the "universe"  or whatever  just meant for me to do things this way  (= unknowingly write it the opposite so i wont know i already made a thread on this .so that way i will make another thread)

Ohhh  -  forgot than  ,  funny how i choose the opposite title  ...  maybe that unintentional happend for a reason ....    anyway  i think this thread can bring more answers and replies   so i think its for the better

When i learned  zhineng qigong  they talked about how they were an "open system"    and if i understood correctly it means its taking energy from the universe (and giving it too ?)   and soo   its   safter than  the other systems  which are mostly  "closed systems"  who deal with  the micro orbit 

they said that closed systems  for years work on cleaning the body    and than after years when they finally "open up"   than because its suddenly they can get problems like bleeding from eyes and death  etc   ...   unlike zhineng qigong that from the start connects to the universe energy


would like to hear peoples view of this topic  -  maybe i will get better understanding of it from that

 

 
this is what i remember from a reply i got  (not sure if i remember 100% correct)   :

1 . that we lose  yang qi  (around 15% of it)   when we are training barefoot    -  but much more energy is lost in thoughts

2 .   so training is still useful barefoot but less effective

3 .   yang qi can be isolated by footwear ..........     unlike    yin qi that can flow to the ground no matter the shoe or mat

4 .  it doesnt matter if you are barefoot in daily life    - just when training qigong you need to wear shoes or practice on a mat   (if you care about the energy loss of yang qi)

Should we train barefoot in qigong ?   or we must wear shoes  or on some mat ? 

should we walk barefoot in daily life ? should we wear shoes ?    when walking nature ?  or wear shoes there ?   cause would be a shame to lose energy in daily life too ...

what are the materials that are needed to isolate ?  are socks ok ?   shoes ?  a regular cotton synthetic mat ? 

2 hours ago, 小梦想 said:

No particular diet, but I try to eat very balanced. Finding a balance is important. I don't eat or drink very cold things, this is super important, people do not realize the damage cold things does to the body. All these woman drinking iced beverages all the time, men drinking a few ice cold beers every evening. Give it 10-20 years, the serious diseases will come. Read up on some basic TCM theory, will help you a lot. 

 

You have solutions to people living in very warm weather     ?     is being in an room with an air conditioner good for you ?   is it worst or better than drinking cold drinks ?    what is your view on cold showers ?

well the ones i have in mind are  vipasana-  mahasi sayadaw technique ,     chogyam trungpa rinpoche ,  and zen korean

defintly  many monks  even for years who are not really advanced spirtually  -   but i would guess for example in viapssana mahasi sayadaw there are a few enlightened people  (i think in other sects too)    and as far as i know they dont talk about " Qi, alchemical substances, herbs and use internal processes "

What about the other way around  ...  for instance doing a lot of buddhist meditation reaching enlightnment and healing the body via the mind ?