Miffymog

1 hour ago, Ryder004 said:

And 1 more question if you don't mind plz: Will I still get benefits out of the practice(generating and circulating qi) if I do nothing else than the 1st move? The first move is just a static hold of monk gazing at the moon. 

The issue for me, is at the moment I am rehabbing my lower back. Not so much an injury, but I had surgery last year and was inactive for a very long time. The result is, my glutes/hips/core don't fire when they need to so my lower back takes the brunt of the load. It's not so much an injury as a neuromuscular issue that needs to be retrained which I am doing.

So the issue is, on the 2nd movement of bending the bows, staying in that horse stance causes a lot of discomfort and some pain to my lower back, again because probably my glutes and hips aren't firing correctly so my lower back is taking the brunt of the load. 


I have 3-5 weeks left of physical therapy, so till then I will only be doing the 1st move which is monk gazing at moon, will I still experience some benefits from this move only ?

 

I think I remember that you’ve already mentioned this is a previous post. If you can only do one meditation, then that is fine. And I think I remember reading somewhere in this very thread where each individual meditation in its own way, consists of all the benefits of the whole system, or something like that.

 

But just a couple of thoughts on this. Firstly, if you can’t do the whole of Bending the Bows, then its probably best not to do just half of the move, especially if you’re doing the breathing sequence before hand. If you are just practising the moves with out performing the breathing pattern, then it may be okay to just do half of the movement, but it doesn’t really feel the right thing to do.

 

If you’re still recovering physically, then a really good meditation to do is Monk Holds the Pearl. This is a lovely harmonising and balancing meditation that can be done either lying down, sitting or standing.

 

But again, I’m really half guessing these answers so listening to what Sifu Terry has to say would be much better.

 

And just another thought, when it comes to Bending the Bows, I don’t think it matters too much if you cant go that low, as the strength will grow over time, and I never go that low either.

59 minutes ago, Ryder004 said:

Thank you. And just to clarify, what about regular normal meditation? Would I still have to space that out a few hours after doing FPCK?

 

Interesting question. Because if you are going to only just follow the breath, then that could not only be okay, but possibly even a good thing to do immediately after an FPCK meditation, as it gives the chi an opportunity to settle. But to be sure, I wait for Sifu Terry to answer that one.

On 12/07/2025 at 6:40 PM, Turnip said:

I’m wondering, does the name “Flying Phoenix” carry any symbolic significance

in regards to the unique psycho-energetic-spiritual mechanism, function, and transformative effect? 

 

I do know that its named after the Long Form of the system, which is the capstone of all of the meditations. And often the names of the meditations do relate to the meditation itself, but I've never got that deep enough to really see the conections I'm afraid.

14 hours ago, Ryder004 said:

Hey folks, I'm on day 2 of the practice. 

So first question I have is, can I do void meditation practice while I practice FP? I know they say don't mix multiple systems together, I am not sure its even considered a system, but the only other thing I do is void meditation. 

Is it ok to do this with FP system, and if so how long should it be spaced apart from each other?

EDIT: Also regarding breathing, there is a guided breathing at the start of the exercise/movement. But afterwards, do you breathe normally(nose only) during the performing sets of the movement? 

 

Hi there Ryder,

Great to hear that you've taken up FPCK! The general rule about mixing FPCK with other spiritual practices is that it tends to be okay, as long as there is a gap of a few hours between sessions. And yes, after you've done the breathing pattern, just breath normally and naturally through the nose.

The question, what does FPCK do for you, is something I'm currently thinking about, as I've recently re-taken up the practice after having a brake for about 6 months, and it's given me the opportunity to compare it to other things.

 

I injured a core muscle down my side playing badminton just before Christmas, and this prevented me from doing a number of FPCK meditations, so I decided to try some other things out instead. I did some simple sitting and following the breath. Did a bit of 30 mins of ZZ. And signed up for a 12 week online course of Tai Chi led by one of Lam Kam Chuens' son covering his simple short form, which consists of 'grasp the peignoir by the tail' and ' the single whip'.

 

It was nice to have a change in practice after having done FPCK for about 3 years, but I was happy to return to it after my injury had fully recovered and I'd finished the Tai Chi lessons.

 

So what do I find the benefits of FPCK to be, especially after having had 6 months off it?

 

The first part of the answer is what effect does it have on the body. In this regard, I reckon it's kind of similar to other internal martial arts. When I give this answer to other people, I first compare it to more western kinds of exercise, such as weight lifting, cardio-vascular exercises like running, or stretching practices like yoga.

 

I say that in all these regards it is does not give me a great deal of strength, when I run about on a play 5-a-side football pitch, I'm out of breath in 5 minutes, and I'm no where near being able to touch my toes.

 

However, due to the way the practice engages your posterial muscles, when I go to play tennis or badminton, despite being in my late forties, I'm easily as fast around the court as people in their twenties, and this is combined with fast reactions and a good level of co-ordination.

 

As I said, this will certainly be true of other internal martial arts, but it's a nice consequence of FPCK. And a mildly interesting one as I often try to move a slowly as I can during the moving meditations, but the consequence is that it actually gives me good speed over a short distance.

 

Is this any better for you than having a good weightlifting regime, good cardio-vascular fitness or good flexibility? (although my flexibility is actually fairly good from this kind of thing, I just happen to have very long legs compared to my body and a slipped disc that prevents me from bending a lot)

 

I don't know, but its something that for me engages my mind, and so I stay motivated to keep doing it. Also, one of the benefits of this kind of thing is that it keeps you relatively injury free.

 

How about benefits that are more specific to FPCK? This one is a bit tricker to answer because the benefits you get from this kind of chi kung is of course similar to other types of chi kung.

 

One simple answer here is that when doing a simple static seated meditation, the activation of the FPCK energy at the beginning of the meditation, which is achieved by performing a simple breathing pattern, means that the time always goes faster than I expect.

 

If I just follow the breath with out performing a FPCK breathing pattern, sometimes a 30 minute sit goes quickly, sometimes it does not. But with the breathing pattern, every time it feels like only 20 minutes have passed, when its actually 30. And this extends to all the FPCK meditations. This isn't exactly a massive selling point to the practice, but is something that stands out.

 

Coupled to this is that the energy generated is always pleasant and enjoyable. Again, something that I have found to be more of a variable thing in other practices.

 

I'd also like to say that you can enter into some quite deep levels of mind/body integration, but I'm running out of energy writing this post right now, so that is all I'll say here. I may add more on this aspect later.

 

Anyway, its a practice I keep coming back to and enjoy. It's also nice having this thread to turn to for support, inspiration and advice.

 

So thank you Sifu Terry

16 hours ago, BigSkyDiamond said:

 

Thank you Miffy.  Are we able to view archives for learning? I would love that.

 

Just tried putting the link into waybackmachine and it said the URL was excluded, so I'm not sure if there are any way to look at archives, sorry.

1 hour ago, BigSkyDiamond said:

 

 

This link does not work for me.  Is this section still active, or is request for access needed?  I am interested.
Thank you.

I don't think the website is still being maintained, which is a shame as there was a lot of very good material on it.

I currently quite like watching interviews from Guru Viking. I've just finished watching this one between Daniel Ingram and Delson Armstrong. Delson has recently renounced his previous claim that the had achieved the state of an Arhat, something  that Daniel himself claimed and then renounced while ago. It was an enjoyable interaction with some very nice moments in it, highly recommended

 

 

 

2 hours ago, -ꦥꦏ꧀ ꦱꦠꦿꦶꦪꦺꦴ- said:

Hi all, spent a few days in the Jordanian desert and managed to film myself doing Long Form (quite badly unfortunately!). It’s too fast and has a few mistakes as I was too focused on not slipping and falling off the cliff, please @zen-bear could you help point them out so others can learn what not to do!

 

It was fun filming anyway, check it out!

 

 

 

 

I effing loved it!

 

And if you ever felt like posting any of the other meditations, DO IT!

 

(as long as Sifu Terry doesn’t mind, of course) 

 

 

Hi there,

I was wondering if my access to the Current Events section could be removed.

Many thanks,

Miffymog.

6 minutes ago, VinC said:

I'm going to do what you (and others) have suggested. MHPearl.  I learned PanGu Shengong in 2009 and received immediate benefits, while I was fighting Lyme Disease and Hypothyroidism.  I also mix in SFQ Level 2 Energy Breathing - for a total of 90 min a day between both forms.  I've been doing FP anywhere from 30-55 min a day.  I skipped qigong all together yesterday due to the fever and lethargy.  

 

Oh god, I'm totally out of my depth on this one now.

 

When I first started fpck, I already had a mildly energetic practice, and as soon as I had converted my energy to Flying Phoenix chi after the first meditation, it felt very pleasant and benevolent.

 

This is a very different experience to your self.

 

I can only suggest that the level of achievement in your other practices is actually pretty high, and is benefiting you well. It might just be that to get to the same level of benefit at fpck will, I'm afraid, take a bit of time.

 

But for some reason this does not feel to be the right answer, so I am out of solutions 😔

7 hours ago, VinC said:

Wanted to share my experience.  I ebuoy doing FP Chi Kung.  I split it in the AM and before bed.  However , while doing PanGu Shengong and SFQ- I never got sick.  In the 2 weeks I've been doing FP- I have gotten sick 2 different times.  This current time is 102.7 F fever.  🥴😞.  I'm tempted to return to PanGu for an hour a day.  Definitely frustrating. 

 

Oh no, that is a shame, and is perhaps an indication you should stick with PanGu for the time being. How long have you been doing that form of qi gong for?

 

A sign of a good practice is that you get ill less often, so PanGu was clearly working for you. It might be that your body is just currently adapting to a new practice and that has weakened your immune system, but I don't think that's right, as my transition to fpck was very smooth and easy. In fact, it had an immediate positive impact after the first session.

 

I've injured myself recently so am currently just doing Monk Holds Pearl, lying down and sitting, maybe try that? The fever will pass, then you can take it from there. Good luck 🤞 

4 hours ago, VinC said:

1.  The DVDs say to sit in half lotus, with left foot lower than right foot.  Can foot positions be switched and can full lotus be done instead?

 

From my own experience, it doesn't really matter which foot is on top, as long as the legs are relaxed. As for full lotus, absolutely you can use that, but just be careful about over extending the joints. 

 

4 hours ago, VinC said:

2.  Why are the seated meditations better for before bed than the standing ones?

 

It's quite possible to do the standing ones before going to bed, and I've done that myself a few times. It's just that the standing ones tend to require more energy to perform than the seated ones, and you normally have more energy first thing in the morning than last thing at night.

 

And the standing ones tend to generate more energy, which is good at the start of the day. Where as the seated ones are normally more relaxing, which is more appropriate before going to sleep.

 

But feel free to try different things out and see what works for you

The White Tiger Kung Fu website that sold a load of archive Doo Wai dvds closed sometime before Christmas. I'm really pleased that there's now another way to get hold of this material 🙂

18 hours ago, VinC said:

Thank you!  If anyone has experience getting sick when switching qigong forms - or any thoughts on why I would get sick (maybe energies moving junk around).

 

I don't think you need to worry too much about the flu. I get one whenever I start relaxing on a holiday. I think this is because it remains slightly suppressed while I'm more tense while working, and then the virus then takes the opportunity to spread round my body when I relax.

 

For me, FPCK definitely has a relaxing nature, so it could be that your body just relaxed a bit after commencing your new practice, and the dormant virus took its chance to come out. If this is the case, then it's definitely been a good thing to go through.

 

18 hours ago, VinC said:

Also- do most people feel energy while doing the meditations and movements?  Or is it more subtle than that?   I felt a lot of energy with Pangu and some with SFQ. 

 

The energy you feel in FPCK is slightly unique because because of the way it is ignited by the percentage breath pattern at the beginning. You can get a sense of it by doing the meditations either with or without the breath pattern and feeling the difference. This is particularly noticeable when performing Monk Holds Pearl, as without the breath percentage, it is just a normal seated meditation.

 

When you perform normal qi gong, the hands move the energy in the body. But with FPCK, the breathing pattern ignites the qi uniformly throughout the whole body right at the start. The hand movements then aid it to move in a particular manner. This does mean that I have felt slightly stronger flows of energy through a particular part of my body doing other types of practice.

 

However, everything that @-ꦥꦏ꧀ ꦱꦠꦿꦶꦪꦺꦴ- (god that was a nightmare trying  '@' ꦥꦏ꧀ ꦱꦠꦿꦶꦪꦺꦴ, as his name technically starts with a hyphen!) says about the level of energy you feel increasing and then reducing as you acclimatise to it is something I have felt too.

 

You never move against an imaginary force, such as pretending you're performing the movement in water or oli, so you don't generate the level of energy flows you feel in an internal martial art. But this partly because FPCK is a healing and balancing practice, rather than a martial one.

 

However, every-now-and-then, you can sometimes experience very strong energy flows, accompanied with very high levels of body mind integration.

I'm currently on book three of 'The Liveship Traders' by Robbin Hobb. It's about talking ships, where old fashioned sailing ship's figure head's come to life with full personalities. Really enjoyable!

A couple of weeks ago I gave up television and radio. For the first week I actually got quite ill and suffered from migraines. But now into my third week and things have settled down.

This is a kind of dopamine detox, and currently I have no plans on turning the television or radio back on.

19 hours ago, Sahaja said:

 Very interesting. Thank you for broadening the spectrum of my request to give it perspective. Quite an eclectic grouping. 
 

 Hope your liver is Ok and I apologize if my request resulted in any harm to you. I wasn’t thinking clearly about consequences of asking you to drink…sorry for that.
 

In my understanding everyone has an energetic field that extends out from their body that is relatively thick very near their physical body generally resembling its shape that diffuses into a much less dense sphere further out.  There are cultivation practices that utilize this basic energy field. Not sure whether this field is what you are referring to (at a much amplified level) or whether it’s something wholly different. 
 

Probably good you don’t see everyone’s field as that would be distracting indeed and make life a little difficult!

 

thanks again for indulging my request. 
 

 

 

No worries about my liver  I do allow myself one beer a week, but the hang overs are no longer worth having more now-a-days.

 

As for what I mean about the energy that I could sense, I've not really been very clear on that. So, here are some links to Sifu Terry Dunn refereing to the 'energy field' that can be picked up by a video which surrounds someone if they have a strong reserve of Flying Pheonix energy in them.

 

 

 

 

This is something that anyone can see, and somewhere in the FPCK thread, I'm sure another person said they could see surrouding Terry, but I could not find that particular post. It comes across as a mild fuzzy blur that surrounds his hands and arms and extends about 1 cm form the body. It could actually just be a problem with the camera equipement, but maybe it's his energy.

 

This type of energy I can't sense when I'm reading the energy body of someone, and I'll tie this into Pak Satrio's comment later.

 

The type of energy I can sense is that which you would feel if you were performing, say, a Tai Chi form. You feel the energy moving through the body, and if you are a powerful master who has a LOT of energy flowing through you, then after half a bottle of whiskey, if I watched you, I'd feel a tiny proprotion the same type and flow as well.

 

 

17 hours ago, -ꦥꦏ꧀ ꦱꦠꦿꦶꦪꦺꦴ- said:

This is very interesting as the qi from FPCK feels very different from other systems. 

 

So, in answer to why I could only sense any energy in GM Doo Wai while he was mediating, but not while he was talking to camera,  unlike other spritual masters, I don't know. But one idea I've had is that it might have something to do with only igniting/activating the energy in FPCK, and I think most of the other Bak Fu Pai arts, after you've performed the breath sequence?

 

Whether that also ties in with not being able to feel then energy surrounding Sifu Terry Dunn or not, again I don't really know.

 

 

18 hours ago, Sahaja said:

Curious of what your read is of GM Doo Wai in the earlier video demonstrating healing qi gong.

 

I can only read the energy body of someone who has a lot of energy flowing through them. These are the spiritual masters who I tested, and the results were repeatable.

 

Master Sheng-yen -whose energy body was bright and round

Thich Nhat Hanh – again, a bright round energy body

Tenzin Wangyal Rinpoche – very grounding

Bishop Kallistos Ware – very grounding.

 

But it seems as though the Bak Fu Pai arts fall into a slightly different category. I could never read the energy body of Terry Dunn, despite his field being pretty much visible around his body during some of his FPCK videos.

 

I also had the same thing with Doo Wai in a number of videos where he was talking to camera, how could I not sense it if he’s such a powerful master? I then took out one of his Golden Lotus Flying Phoenix videos and tested that, and while he was in mid meditation, I found that he did indeed have an awful lot of energy flowing through him

 

The nature of his energy field during the meditation was also different to others I’d sensed. During the meditation, his energy was more evenly spread out and fuzzy. But he did come across as having the level of energy of someone who had been trained in these arts from a very young age.

 

So the video you suggested, I would almost certainly have looked at, but I probably didn’t detect anything in that particular one

 

Also, as it took half a bottle of whiskey for me to get into a state where I could do it, I only did it for a few months and then gave up. I’d learnt all I needed to and haven’t done it for some time now.

 

 

13 minutes ago, Master Logray said:

 

 

How do you assess energy on a screen?   I just think he ages a lot compared with 5 years ago, put on a lot of weight and is quite sluggish in movements nowadays.

 

I have the ability to do this from a video when I'm very drunk

 

This is the easiest one I found to do it on, I think it's because he's in a relatively confined area.

 

Rather than being bright and round, or very grounding, externally, his is more like a firework display, and I'm afraid not in a good way.

 

A possible explanation is over practicing too many different systems, but I don't know this.

 

He does carry a lot of energy, but rather than having one strong energetic flow, internally, his is more like a janggled up mess of pipes, which are sprouting leaks everywhere.

 

Normally, when my body adopts a superficial representation of the energy body of the person I'm watching, it is a smooth, fast and pleasant transition.

 

This is not the case with Damo. Initially, my own energy body went into mild convulsions as it tried to simulate his, so I gave up.

 

But on one occasion I decided to 'sit through it'. After a couple of minutes of convulsions, my energy body settled into a meta-stable state that was representative of his.

 

I knew it was, because I had previously signed up to his school and watched a load of his instructional videos and learnt the specific 'flavour' of his energy.

 

I want to add that his energy is friendly, healing and sexually very well balanced.

 

However, the internal flow of his energy is very, very, very higgledy piggledy, prolonged practice from him could risk the practioner developing the same energy body.

 

It might not be a problem, as you have to put a massive commitment in to change your energy body, and he has practiced a number of different systems, so if you just do what he teaches, you may avoid this.

 

However, just be aware of the fact that the state of his energy body is really, really something you would not want to have.

 

 

(sorry to talk negatively about you Damo in this way)

 

 

 

 

 

There are a lot of positive things about Damo's teaching, but I'm afraid his energy body is really messed up, so be careful when learning from him or receiving energy transmissions.

I had the flu a few months ago and the enforced bed rest meant I ended up not drinking coffee for a week. I felt quite a bit better for it and stayed off it for some time. It has now crept back in to my life where I have one coffee a day again.

 

But I do now know that actually I do feel a little better overall not having it, but as a vice goes, it is a pretty tame one.

Goddammit! I've now lost some of the joy of that little notification symbol when I log in!

I was thinking, could we possibly change the colour for the down vote from red to blue, so it looks a little less harsh?

I like @ChiDragon!