Nungali

Now you have just wiped out your previous statement . I am actually just taking what you are saying .... and extending those ideas into actions ... but maybe you think any action is against wi wei ? he didnt follow hos own nature then .... the expression of one's true nature , the khvarenah or True Will . But now you have skipped into human affairs , and human affairs involve eating things that were once living . To refuse to do that is against the nature of all life ; to survive .

nah ... when I wee it is completely natural . So... for a human to be in a state of wu wei ...... looks like they can not do anything at all .... even breathing effects nature ... ask a Jain ;

The TTC says that to you ? Well, it is now ! Since you seem to have decided all human 'control' is against nature .

here is the thing about 'nature ' ; I often say, my qualifier , when looking at or adopting a process is ' can I see a similar process in nature ' . BUT that requires a full and extensive understanding of nature in the first place .

really ? Then define 'harm to nature ' Do you eat carrots , bok choy ...... wheat ? ... intentionally ? .

isnt that a self-referential loop though ? In nature animals kill each other all the time . How do you think carnivore animals eat ? Do you think wu wei requires them to become vego ? Sorry, but thats nuts ! The reality is (another self referential loop ) that part of nature is to modify nature . Even as simple as a bird building a nest ; thats a modification . At the other end of the scale , I will give a local example ; people hear often marvel at the indigenous and how they suppose they lived without harming the ecological balance ... well, that was all geared towards human survival ( in the long term ) . It went something like this ; Australia had mega fauna , they ate the low lying scrub and kept the land clear between the trees and forests . people came for the first time , and not knowing what they were , these animals did not flee ; easy hunting . Then the megafauna numbers decreased , causing the 'scrub' to grow and the land hard to navigate and hunt in . So they started burning it , a practice that eventually changed the whole environment , large scale . Now we say the indigenous know how to manage the environment by doing 'slow burns' to mitigate bushfires , and in the past , to make 'unfenced kangaroo farms ' . Which parts were wu wei, and which parts were not ?

No ... because I observe that in nature ( with other animals ) .. ie. it is part of the natural world

Nah ... that process only applies to Chinese

'' Virtue focuses on character traits and excellence (like courage, kindness), aiming for flourishing, while morality is a broader system of right vs. wrong judgments, often rooted in societal or personal rules; morality dictates what is right, whereas virtue is the habitual disposition to be good and act rightly, going beyond mere rule-following to embody moral excellence. Think of morality as the rules, and virtue as the developed character that naturally lives by those rules and strives for higher ideals. '' In ancient Greek, the word for virtue is Areté (ἀρετή), which means "excellence" or the "full realization of potential" in any kind of activity, not just morality; it signifies being the best you can be, whether that's physical prowess, wisdom, or moral goodness, leading to a flourishing life ... '' ... wait for it .... '' (eudaimonia). While it encompasses moral virtue, Areté is a broader concept of functional excellence, describing the peak quality of a person or thing ... '' .

' ... and from many sources we gather and weave all the colored threads to weave a tapestry of our own understanding ' .

The modern English meaning of virtue or the ancient Greek meaning of virtue ?

Well, that makes sense as the sky is always falling but heaven is not .

Errrmmmm ... yes you are ( you just dont realize it )

NOOOOOOOOOOOO ! - Old daobums joke

Thats what the Chinese guy in the restaurant toilet claimed to my friend in China as he offered him some pills ! ''Make wife very happy '' . So my friend foolishly bought them and bought them back to Australia . He tried some before going to bed with his wife . he noticed the effect ... but his wife didnt . ''It looks longer to me .'' he said . ''Not to me ... '' she said , '' You are imagining things .'' So he went to the bathroom and looked in the mirror ...it looked longer - to him ! But then as he looked around .... the curtains looked longer .... the towels on the towel rack looked longer .... his face looked longer .... Moral .... dont buy dodgy 'sex pills' in a Chinese restaurant toilet !