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Yeah it is zero ... when you add it all up ... but it isn't added all up, its still in the 2 phase ... separated. It was 'added all up before the 'big bang' But it still doesn't explain the 'secret infinite and unknown' , I.e. what created the = WHY did the O separate ? What caused the separation .... now don't fob me off with that 'everything was perfect 0 {with a few little imbalances} <under breath>. And what about all that supposed dark matter that cant be found (in some theories) that is needed to balance the equation?

Surely this is a blurred distinction between something that can be so basically expressed as a 'bad' spirit or a 'good' spirit. Basic Hermetic groundwork in those areas should include IMO , at least (from a qualified spiritual, mystical {and successful} Hermetic perspective) Swedenborgh and (from a qualified scientific medical psychological psychiatric and successfully professional level) Dr, Wilson VanDusen. Both came to the same conclusions about ‘good and bad spirits’ and were able to classify, communicate and in many cases modify and balance them by ‘invoking their opposites’. it looks like, from my perspective S.A. realises the above but I.B. seems to think they can only be bad, Cannot a good and helpful 'bodiless being entering your astral body' be helpful ... even if , or especially if, there are bad bodiless beings or spirits that have already entered or surfaced ?

Pure poetry unassuaged of purpose and delivered from the lust of result is in every way perfect

Of course that means 2=0 gives the 0 a type of value that 'holds' the energy in suspended 'stasis' .

No 'loss' of energy, that is against the laws of physics ... energy changes from one form to another ... you can't loose energy out of an 'unsealed system' (if there is such a thing) ... like the heat and gas that comes out of the exhaust system of your car (why petrol is efficient comparatively and inefficient potentially). When you DO something you convert one form of energy to another.

Its still a Theory. Where did the energy come from in the first place ... now they are calculating (much more complexly ) 0 = 2.

Check out the temperatures recorded in the system Marblehead referred to when the central collection pillar contains liquid salt

Not to mention thousands of years of agricultural success using Moon patterns and cycles ... Actually, to be fair, Bill Nye is no more the scientist than the daily newspaper astrologer is an astrologer. What he is doing isn't Science ... it is Scientism. And not all scientists appreciate this literalist dogmatic fundamentalist 'scientific' approach.

Cancer goat here ... oops ... I mean a Gemini Goat Actually . Goat jumped into me from an interesting sector of 'heaven' near the Cancer Gemini constellational border, which IMO is in a 4 way relationship with 2 constellations off the ecliptic (what ? shock , horror, you cant count them!). Also individual stars off the ecliptic can be used (and were used before) check thse tools out ... very usefull: http://www.astro.com/cgi/genchart.cgi . Go to ; OPTIONS - Zodiac: click on the down arrow next to the box ( but note the warnings … these are to avoid confusion for people that don’t understand and may want to calculate their own chart, get confused and blame the site J also for star positions, and constellational mythology and star meanings from a variety of ancient and classical and varied cultural sources; http://www.constellationsofwords.com/ And thank you those above for explaining the mechanics of the variations The weird thing is that although many astrologers deny the validity of non-tropical systems (not as vehemently as they did only a few backs – which is why I stopped posting on astrology forums) they still rave about http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0G8XJNz4bY So how is that fitting into an insistence of tropical astrology being THE and ONLY astrology ??? ..

The first thing I noticed before I even pressed > was the smug look of self assurance on his face. Then there is the attitude and posture in the chair, a bit much for the kindergarten type presentation . Where it all falls down is lack of understanding of the subject he is criticising. In other words as has been said before ; "I don't believe in God ... I cant believe in a God that ...." A: "Well, I believe in God but I do not believe in the type of God you do not either." There are many types of astrology other than Western Tropical astrology and they all follow (as far as I know) a sidereal system (based on star positions, constellations and asterisms) not signs that are a 12 segment division of equal 30 degrees based on the starting position of the Equinoctal point (the intersection of two great circles). Even western astrology has a sidereal system. This vid is like proving that magick (theurgy) is invalid and then demonstrating how a stage magician pulls a rabbit out of his hat (aside form the relevant symbolism involved ).

The tech is there, a friend had one that fitted into a water pipe than ran down hill from a creek. I should have said "I wonder if I can get it together to .... " on small scale of me (and my 'not that many people squashed into one space' environment) I don't waste water much; often in Oz we have to be water wise, a friend visited and was horrified about my kitchen sink water wastage. I explained that waters the garden outside the kitchen window and if they don't get enough water I have to then use the hose and use the same water anyway,

Especially when the word "PERPETUAL" is in the formula One 'perpetual' energy that seems to be generated and just keeps on going is Gravity ... but only until Shiva's eye opens again As far as harnessing love for energy ...I did consider connecting a tidal/wave generator to my bedsprings at one stage ... but that would fail on the' perpetual' side of things as I couldn't 'keep it up' for that long.

I think confusion comes about as the 'soul' is seen as one indivisible substance in some traditions and religions and as the one thing that should 'inhabit' our spirit. [ 'Khu, 'Khabs' and all that ], Also that 'spirit' can relate to 'objective identity' for some. My view is that 'soul' (subjective ... that is my soul, and its intersection with the 'World Soul' - 'objective soul' or Anima Mundi) is PART of what makes up my 'spirit' and that is PART of what makes up (with all the complexities of the Personna) that strange idea I keep having of ...'Me'. That seems to make some uncomfortable ... (like bed bugs). I think it is an expression of the two formulas a of 'banishing' ; the first is the classic circle 'I am in here and they are out there' formula. One relies on a type of 'protective dualism'. This level of consciousness is involved with battle (one sees it in how some view their work on the inner planes ... slaying demons cleaning up the lower astral by instilling violent energy, I have read it in books about supposed experiences in the 'Aethers' - some times not even written as subjective experience but saying this is what YOU must do ... defeat this being, who looks like this, with this weapon, or you shall not pass to level x ( astral dungeons and dragons perhaps but one hopes a preliminary step to greater things) and fixing the outside but of course in these realms these demons are just parts of the 'self' and one is battling the self. The next stage is to open the circle and balance opposites by absorption IMO an advanced and more desirable formula and outcome ... and even more possibly (if I dare say ) more apt for a forum of this title in a site with this title. But it does require some art ... and can be dangerous to try (well at least naïve to try) if not balanced yourself or understanding the energies involved. Instead of slaying the energies (a type of repression that will resurface again anyway, providing an 'escape loop' for the ego- which is no escape at all, just a trapped cycle of de/illusion) one can use their energies when they are balanced, and take their rightful place in the self I also believe , in this day and age, and for me, the divine soul (both subjective and objective) is lost and is in need of finding and 'redeeming'. Apparently, according to many, if not most, Western mythological themes it isn't just me and it isn't just now. Usually it is in the mythic form ( various forms, juxtaposed, repeated, modulated and inverted) of the female (Anima) which needs rescuing, awakening, releasing (from towers) and saving (from dragons and ogres) either within a dynamic of the active (knight) ego (hence the 'self' or the ego, to an extent 'choosing' to take the journey or having it thrust upon him or stumbling upon it) or the soul itself sending messages and assistants to help the ego/self come to a realisation (via omens, forces in nature 'coincidences' ( ) ; see the Myth of Psyche (she seems hopelessly lost but animals and natural forces come to assist her). Perhaps this idea of the soul and the HGA have some relationship?

'Diving Into Love.' by Nungali. She stepped off! Oh God! How could she have done that? What space must your head be in to be able to do that? She stepped off, I imagine, calm and serene, not screaming and clawing and falling down, down but streaming through the layers of swirling mist to the rainforest floor below; like a rainbow arching down to ground itself in the earth. She stepped off beside the plunging waterfall, at the top of the vast vertical rock abyss, at the head of the steep, deep, twisting serpentine gorge. Right at the top of the world, right at the top of her world, she stepped off. Right at the top of her world, young, beautiful and healthy, (they told me) the last person in the world you would ever imagine that would do such a thing. I have stood on that very spot and tentatively peered over the edge into that vast vertical chasm, watching the water racing down and turn to spray and felt that urge to fly myself, down to the rainforest below and quivered and tried to inch back from that spot, the inexorable force drawing me down to where the tops of the giant rainforest trees are bunched together like far away broccoli. "Get away from there!" a voice shouted. I turned (without falling) the old 'Uncle' emerged from the bush. He took my arm, pulled me from the edge and looked deep into my eyes. We sat staring into each other by the swirling pool, his dark, crystal eyes surveying my pain, his black skin wrinkled from searching my face. "It's the tail of the Rainbow Serpent." Gunabar told me. "The twisted gorge is his body. You have to be careful here, you'll fall right into it." He talked. I asked questions. He looked at me - through me. "You ask me questions, questions about energies and places. I'd say to you ...” Gunabar said to me, "... It's all about love. It all comes down to love, from your heart." And then I heard the story for the first time: "Not long ago a young white girl from around here, stepped off the edge.... It's not the first time. She was happy they said. Nice girl, good job, nice car. Why did she do it? They didn't understand. She left a note at the top, I found that note, 'I couldn’t find love anywhere,' it said ‘the only place I could find love was here'. That's all it said. She left that note at the top of the waterfall and stepped off." My heart was shaking, my eyes watering, a giant ball of emotion was surfacing from some inner deep part inside myself. I looked down the valley. I turned and looked into Gunabar's eyes. They were like black far away pools, they were like places I have never seen. "The white people didn't understand, I understand." he told me. "They had a service at the top of the falls, they floated flowers in the pool at the top. I floated a broken branch and a broken boomerang - symbols of a broken life. My offering went over the edge. The flowers didn’t, they got stuck in a whirlpool at the top, I gently pushed them over with a stick." I have since returned and stood in that very place, high above the clouds and been drawn again to that roaring air. That same place where Gunabar told me that story. Not at the edge beside the falls but around the side, near the lookout where you can see the whole drop. And I can’t help thinking what space must your head be in to be able to do that? The shock of the first news is still there. It probably always will be there. She stepped off... Oh God, how could she? So now I sit, inexorably drawn and look at the view, the drop, the falls and I imagine that young, beautiful girl, that child of nature, feeling so much love but finding it nowhere else, gazing out over the mountains, head held high, standing on the edge, beside the plunging, roaring, drawing water and gently... stepping on the air. I imagine her calm and serene, smiling and streaming down, down, the spark of her soul a streaming meteor accelerating through the air, down, down through the layers of swirling mist, hurtling towards the far away now zooming closer broccoli forest below. Not screaming and falling down but plunging, unstoppable, totally committed heart first, into love. .http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e5/Ellenborough.JPG/200px-Ellenborough.JPG .

The worse time for solar power at my cabin is the wet season when it pisses down, I notice my neighbour, up hill has water gushing out the rainwater tank overflow ... I wonder if that can be diverted to a little hydro generator as a back up ?

Def! I did my first system myself with a truck battery,2nd hand panel, a few fixtures (like junction boxes) from the marine supply shop (all 12v dc in that shop) ... no regulator or anything (just emergency fuse for shorts) I could run small TV , all lights (sensibly . with support from candles for constant background lighting when required - I have spot lights set up that get turned on and off when needed; over sink, deck, lounge chair { for reading} ) , sound system, (and later installed a $65 camping inverter for lap top and phone recharge station ). Batteries last for years and years and cost about $180 to replace .. that was my power bill from then on

Love this! I have been operating panels for 20 years and they are sufficient for my purposes (VERY minimal), but I am aware of the many problems of larger systems and I don't think I would ever run one (I leave my panel on a frame with wheels at the front path out of the cabin, at times as I go past I manually track, that alone has halved the need for panels). Also when cloudy it is often windy. In big arrays keeping panels or reflectors clean is an issue. I wonder how this system deals with that? They look hard to clean ? I cant imagine the cost though ( I only saw the short vid). Of course my comments relate to a small landholding and not industry.

I would like the details on this ... also the content of what the earliest Greek philosophers believed , before these trips. My comments above relate to influences that CAME INTO Greece and Egypt.

I like this too ... some may see it as an invalidating statement but I do not. To me I agree with Patrick Harpur on this one (and many others ) best described in a title of one of his books. 'The Philosopher's Secret Fire - A History of the Imagination'.

a shame as I was enjoying your posts (and attitude) , try not to let the ignorant jeering of others effect you. I can understand though, your reluctance, considering others attitudes, to communicate further about something that is the “ Holy of Holies, whereof each man is his own High Priest, and none knoweth the Name of his brother's God, or the Rite that invokes Him “ [Crowley. Liber Samekh. ]

This is a question that fascinates me too. In some cases it can be shown (or it used to be shown, I am not really up to date on new findings on this) that some of the earliest Greek philosophers had Egyptian teachers, and even some of the 'Greeks' were actually Egyptians and their names are Greek renderings of an Egyptian name. But, of course Egypt is not the source of everything. There is always much 'cross-fertilisation' always going on in the development of human cultures. One could say most systems are 'chop suey' ( a term I have adopted from a ‘philosopher ‘ here). IMO there is no 'pure doctrine'. Different people had a big input into the different Egyptian cultures from an early stage, to the extent that latter kingdoms may not have known the internals of the teachings of the Old Kingdoms . I believe there were strong influences from various parts of the world before the Indian and Persian Empires but I have yet to tag the first development of ideas like reincarnation , date it and cross-reference it to the time line of development in Greek Philosophy. Most Zoroastrian influence seems to be around the time of the Neo-Platonists but I am not sure where “re-incarnation’ enters Greek Philosophy. The earliest Avesta sources have souls being absorbed (or returning to ) the ‘Soul of the Bull’ , which Joseph Campbell relates to early hunter societies ‘sending ‘ the taken animals soul back to the heard … but I have yet to find a ‘redispersal’ process in the Avestas. But then again I have only brushed their surface. Many of the ideas behind 'Forms' and hierarchies of 'spiritual beings' originate in Zoroastrianism and the pre-Zoroastrian religion (Mazdayasni). Also see; ( http://www.iranchamber.com/religions/articles/pre_zoroastrian_religions.php ) In the Avesta, the names of the Yazatas are also names for core values and ideals. For instance, as an ‘angel’ in the Avesta, Mithra is the guardian of the values and qualities associated with friendship. In day-to-day language, Mithra means a friend, the ideals of loyal, trustworthy, caring and kind friendship and the qualities of kindness, helpfulness and benevolence. As a core value Mithra is the value of keeping of promises. At times these were perceived as ‘qualities’. Writing from the perspective of Greeks who worshipped multiple anthropomorphic gods during his time, Herodotus (c. 430 BCE) says: "They (the Persians) have no images of the gods, no temples nor altars, and consider the use of them a sign of folly. This comes, I think, from their not believing the gods to have the same nature with men, as the Greeks imagine." But over times things change … based on various other renderings of scripture; Zoroastrian comic anyone? آشنایی با اساتیر ملل (انگلیسی) : تاريخ، فرهنگ و http://redhue.ir/img.php?image=2095_yazatas1_4vk0.jpg ) Or by blending both, like the Amesha Spentas (amesha meaning eternal & spenta meaning brilliance and beneficence) as attributes of God : •Vohu Mano, the high mind (creation was caused by a divine thought) •Asha, cosmic order and universal laws •Khshathra, dominion •Armaiti, equanimity •Haurvatat, ultimate wholeness •Amertat, immortality In a further attempt to understand God and how God interfaces with God's creation, the six qualities and attributes, the Amesha Spentas, were thought of as archangels - abstract extensions of God - each associated with an aspect of creation. Of course there are the inverse qualities … the ‘divs’ (a word that perhaps relates to the original split between religious factions with the ‘Deva worshipers’?) The Shahnameh goes on to list in its pages nine principle vices called divs: • Az - greed • Niaz - desire • Khashm - wrath • Rashk - envy • Nang - dishonour • Kin - vengeance • Nammaam - tell-tale • Do-ruy - two-faced • Napak-din - heretic I can see a clear system of ethical philosophy here and that may have influenced the Greeks but I am not sure about ideas of reincarnation though (I am no scholar … perhaps someone here knows more about these developments and time lines) Perhaps it is tied in with earlier Egyptian beliefs but they seem to have contributed more to latter theology in the area of concepts of ‘resurrection’. Where and when do the Vedas first mention the idea and when and where do the Greek Philosophers mention it?

Sometimes natural events (and death is one) have a way of taking over themselves ... we are not required to do much at all. I have been with a few people that have died very peacefully and in ... well joy. I have seen a lot of suffering and fear about it as well, but that is usually before hand and combined with physical suffering. There comes a time when one 'makes peace with death'. One elderly lady, I remember quiet well. She should have died but she was holding on tenaciously. She looked terrible and was distressed (and giving all the nurses a hard time as well). One night I walked into her room and she was sitting up in bed positively radiant ... beaming, saint-like. She said , "I am ready now ... he came and saw me." I was a little confused as it was late at night and I knew no one had been there, "Who was that?" I asked. "You know who." she said. I came back later and she was sitting propped up in bed, dead ... with a big smile still on her face. Of course there is more to this ... I have no experience in the field with disaster where there is a 'sweeping death' ... that is probably different. Also with other forms ... which I wont go into. I know one can make peace with death long before it happens. In my experience it came as a surprise as , due to my practices, I thought that was one of the things I had done ... but who knows when it stares you in the face? I had a rather bad motorcycle accident on a narrow quite country road, I was lying smashed up on the road near my bike, just around a blind corner ... I knew the corner well, and also knew that if someone came around that corner they would surely run over me ... I thought I had broken my back as I couldn't move, I couldn't get off the road, so I just lay there waiting ... I noticed the distant mountains, the clear blue sky ... a strange thought came into my head "Well ... this IS a nice place to die." I was very calm and relaxed. Then I realised what I was doing and it really surprised me. NO car came (obviously) and after a while I got some feeling back ... no broken back just a numbing sprain. I began to move a bit and eventually sort of dragged myself off the road on my belly by my arms and up on to the narrow verge against the paddock fence. I am not sure how long I was there but a 4x4 comes around the corner, brakes locks up, slides a bit sideways, picks up the bike underneath it and they both slide and crump into the bank Still got the scars to remind me (and they were still spitting out tar particles for 5 years!). Here is another 'dream'; I hope when I do die it is in the same good spirit and in an equally good place.

THE RITE OF MARS This is the day which down the void abysm At the Earth-born's spell yawns for Heaven's despotism, And Conquest is dragged captive through the deep; Love, from its awful throne of patient power In the wise heart, from the last giddy hour Of dead endurance, from the slippery steep, And narrow verge of crag-like agony, springs And folds over the world its healing wings. Gentleness, Virtue, Wisdom, and Endurance-- These are the seals of that most firm assurance Which bars the pit over Destruction's strength; And if, with infirm hand, Eternity, Mother of many acts and hours, should free The serpent that would clasp her with his length, These are the spells by which to reassume An empire o'er the disentangled doom. To suffer woes which Hope thinks infinite; To forgive wrongs darker than death or night; To defy Power, which seems omnipotent; To love, and bear; to hope till Hope creates From its own wreck the thing it contemplates; Neither to change, nor falter, nor repent; This, like thy glory, Titan, is to be Good, great and joyous, beautiful and free; This is alone Life, Joy, Empire, and Victory! Crowley.

I AM NOT PARANOID by Nungali. Drop a pill and take a trip Into the fourth dimension, Hang from your balls from a concrete block and calculate the tension. Ego stars in sleek black cars promise not to mention all the secrets they have heard and known about alien intervention. Rajneesh, Maharaji, on new age punks I puke. Politician's God-sent laws backed up with all their nukes. Roll them all into a ball and dump them in the sea please feel free to do what thou wilt ... just don't do it next to me.

Thank you .. I wanted to find that quote but had trouble remembering and my LIBER ABBA IS GONE ! No idea where ... did I lend THAT out surely not !