Nungali

Excuse me ! How dare you try to equate my old school disdainful derision with modern 'I couldnt care less' blandness ! Why you little .... I orta .... Response ? Mhe I will however give this thread the prize for best silly stupid title

Thats the noise of those 'above top' chakras gradually expiring into non existence ( as they go into the 4th dimension ) .

controlling others and things is magical child's play ... its the essential distinctive human nature ! Controlling yourself ? Then it gets tricky . That's the work of 'Master Magician' ! (or martial artist or yogi or .... )

that last post was in answer to the one above yours . You didnt comprehend ? and answer the question properly - again . So we are stuck again . Do you have a connection to the land and nature where you live ? Ethnic genetic rootes are not religious roots like Hindu and catholic are . Its okay to ask what I mean if you dont understand what I say .

? Yes you deserve an opportunity ..... goodbye . what ?

Maybe. It migth be for you , it might not . Each to their own. First I would say , where do you live, do you have a connection to earth and nature , that could be a good tradition for you if you have that connection. next, what is your ancestry , do you have a genetic connection to a certain people and those traditions. I would use those propensities to start focusing on a tradition or teaching that might best suit you .

Nah. thats not me in there ..... but if it was I could be drinking and " For your penance, go smoke a joint and have a good **** " Now thats religion ! Nothing wrong with the darkness ... or night ..... or black people .... or the left hand or the Moon or female or .....

they even slowed that bit down for us ...... bad shot , ooops < moves finger > . .... there ya go ! Now I suppose Wellsie cane me again for 'bad observation'

You have to read what more piers wrote here over the years to get that disdain .

And in Australian Aboriginal shamanism .

I wonder what Wellise rides ?

First test drive T120 , went through a corner with thick triangular gravel patch , front tyre hit it and slid out .... I'm going doooowwwwnnnn ! (as I knew from past experience ) it went over and slid on the footpegs ( heavy duty non folding up steel ones ) and slid through the gravel to good tar and righted itself and continued on its line around the corner . And I was miraculously ok ! So I went back to the shop and went inside. "I want one of those " Shop owner , ( doesnt look up from reading magazine ) " Yeah right, mate . " ' No, I mean right now, I want one of those right now . " and put $3.800 ( ahh, those were the days ! ) cash on the table under his nose . Shop guy , sits bolt upright " Certainly Sir ! " ... why did I ever sell it ? ! (Actually, I have come into some money .... I might just ..... maybe ..... https://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/townsville/motorcycles/triumph-bonneville-1968-t120-mint/1182681883 )

Nah , its not the same trick at all , it is clearly observable that it is a different trick anyone can see that what you are showing is a similar trick A internet vid is now obvious evidence ? Come on man !

It started as a free form 'pagan' group , we did rituals, celebrations and events. I had always had an interest in western tradition (amongst other things ) and had always wanted to undergo initiation and become an initiate . I thought it was now lost to me. I could have sought it in the land I was born in (one side of it all) , but back then a LOT of indigenous culture was lost or underground and hidden for its preservation. The other side ( aside from ones 'earth connections' ) were my genetic socio cultural roots, and that was a western tradition. , although I am fairly eclectic . I wanted something , I wanted education and initiation in a system that was relent to me , I thought most of the western mystery and initiatory schools were defunct, Eventually I found some still had bona fide connections to original groups. I applied to join as an individual. 'magical stuff ' happened, it seemed indicative, then I was accepted. After a while some others I was associated with became interested , They joined. So we had a small regional group. As that progressed ( to a qualified level) we were eventually chartered to operate as a local initiatory body, as I outlined above. I 'founded' it I suppose, and mostly ran things 'behind the scenes' , but as far as 'running a branch' ie 'being head ' officially, I didnt take that position, over time, consecutively, two women did that . We still continued to work with others ; local pagan , wiccan and indigenous people, and the PPPA (pan pacific Pagan Alliance ) as well as regular OTO work we did annual performance of Rites of Eleusis https://hermetic.com/crowley/the-rites-of-eleusis/index seasonal rituals, maypoles, etc One Beltane was amazing, a lot of people put good effort into it , it was a 'pageant' - dancers, harp players , a chorus, etc . and a heap of other activities . One was a spring equinox ritual I ran at a festival, I expected about 20 - 30 people , 300 people turned up ... boy did that go off ! Amazing .... well, about 300 people thought so . I got to a level where the next stage was 'hermit' and since interest was failing in the system locally, I ... ' hermitted ' and got more into indigenous shamanism , something offered to me previously, that I had to 'put on the back burner' due to all the above. Its been an invaluable process , I'd hate to think of living my life now without what I got from it !

Come on Limmy, let it all out , forgiveness is just inside the little box

I doubt that , you sound a bit like my XGF , she was a song writer, one of her lines : " When I am sad the weather becomes dark and cold ." I asked her " Dont you mean when the weather is dark and cold that makes you sad ? " " No . " However , disorder in your own life may be your fault . Possibly . I have a strong lunar horoscope . Most of what I do is Lunar based and I am very good at handling that energy. I wanted to increase it . One of my first teachers told me I needed to invoke Solar energy . Me ? Pffft ! just goes to show what he knew ! But eventually I tried it ..... meh . But I stuck with it. Eventually wow what a difference and balance that made ! never looked back since . " Balance each force with its opposite " Some have even said balance each thought with its opposite . or " ... I reveal unto you a great mystery. Ye stand between the abyss of height and the abyss of depth. .. . Many have arisen, being wise. They have said "Seek out the glittering Image in the place ever golden, and unite yourselves with It." . Many have arisen, being foolish. They have said, "Stoop down unto the darkly splendid world, and be wedded to that Blind Creature of the Slime." I who am beyond Wisdom and Folly, arise and say unto you: achieve both weddings! Unite yourselves with both! Beware, beware, I say, lest ye seek after the one and lose the other! My adepts stand upright; their head above the heavens, their feet below the hells. ... " (Liber Tzaddi ) 1. yes, invoke the light . 2. but always strive for balance . 3. Forget ''Emerald tablet of Thoth , its a crock ; here is real source Emerald tablet of Hermes http://www.sacred-texts.com/alc/emerald.htm http://www.jasoncolavito.com/blog/the-emerald-tablets-of-thoth-a-lovecraftian-plagiarism New age rubbish will lead you to unhealthy and strange ideas . The world is NOT trying to waste your time YOU ARE ... (if you feel your time is wasted in the world . ITS YOU ! Dont blame other things , like ' the world ' Its like Appollo shooting his lover in the heart with an arrow due to a jealous rage ; then he blames the person who informed him of her deed, the arrow, the bow, even his own arm ... anything but himself . The world can also be seen as a loving caring nurturing mother that will give you whatever you need . And your life can be seen as a beautiful joyous ecstatic unique expression of your your own universally unique creative expression. Its up to you . Choose good and supportive 'companions' ( influences ) , ones based in reality , not fantasy . Its up to you .

Oh yeah !

Then first you will need to learn to distinguish between the two . Do you have a cue about how to do that ?

Hang on a minute there ..... 'sharing' is to and fro ... what have you offered us , so far you have asked for an awful lot, but I dont recall you ever offering to share anything . Most of the time you won't even engage or answer a question . Then you just keep putting up thread after thread on the same subject, not fully examining or responding to the dialogues already initiated . This does have an advantage ; it is indicative and a warning for you on our future path, that you have a tendency to get shallow and superficial, dart here and there, clutch what you seek and never really get deeply into a thing and track it and hunt its truth down. I realise however that it is a trend nowadays - not to be able to focus a lot on any given thing and to expect immediate gratification, Fortunately at this early stage, you can address this, before it beds in too much . I could talk a lot about the subjects you mentioned, but why bother, it may be glossed over like in the other threads. There you still have opportunity to chase up such lines of enquiry, instead of abandoning them and starting yet another one up again. But, I will forgive you .... and share 'The Secret ' !

Its Elon Musk isnt it ? " Our Father who art in the heavens sweet smelling is thy name thy will be done thy kingdom has come on earth as it has in space Give us this day , our daily energy and install our tesla batteries. Shepard us to our new Mars home on which we shall trespass and all live happily ever after Amen ... or, for the ore technologically minded . . . . .

You personally have done it ? And you detected they were angry or negative emotionally ? Is that the reason you did it or was there other reasons and you found out later they must have been that way ? And , what emotional state where you in when you did it ? A bundle of questions, I know, but the reason I ask is, some investigation has revealed to me that such things 'work better' if the 'operator' is in a highly charged emotional state themselves .

With what ? Subduing 'demons ' ? Or selling reproductions ?

( edit and pasting a missed quote in doesnt work like it used to ? ) I think the best way to observe the good / evil polarity , within the context of socio-cultural dynamics, is in one of our earliest still , extant , religions : Zoroastrianism . Everything in their scripture that was detrimental to their specific society was termed 'evil' . And everything that advanced it was good and holy. Eg, some types of ants were evil and some not . The ' grain carrying away' ants were 'evil' but other kinds were not . Bad deeds (like killing an otter ) could be atoned for by killing hundreds or thousands of 'evil' creatures ! So much for being the first religion to introduce animal rights ! ( Well, it did , for horses cows and dogs ... all beneficial to their way of life ) Even their prime concepts and understandings of 'spiritual' evil , and 'every day evil' were originally based on the people they were at war with, 'Davaeo , Daeva, Div , etc (or , as history knows of them , Turanians *. Their religion was even officially named as a movement against those people . In Avestan : Mazdayasno Zarathushtrish Vidaevo Ahura-Tkaesho, that is, Zarathushtrian Mazda-Worship opposed to the Daeva through the laws of the Lord (Ahura). Div and daeva can even be traced, via Proto-Indo-European linguistics to such modern words as devil, evil , deviate, etc . * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turan#Avesta ( the original 'evil ones' ;) )