Nungali

maybe you are a natural geomancer ? Geomancy (Greek: γεωμαντεία, "earth divination") is a method of divination that interprets markings on the ground or the patterns formed by tossed handfuls of soil, rocks, or sand. The most prevalent form of divinatory geomancy involves interpreting a series of 16 figures formed by a randomized process that involves recursion followed by analyzing them . https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geomancy The sixteen geomantic figures.

It depends . Are they from a 'valid source' or from 'the lower astral' ? A Bodhisattva or a Hungry Ghost ? Your highest genius or unresolved unconscious emotional complexes ? There are ways to tell, and that is part of magical / shamanic training . They may need to be accepted, resolved or dealt with , in some manner . 'Wild ' animals seem to be able to do the job pretty well eg. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willie_wagtail#Cultural_depictions Totems ... now there is an interesting subject ! Here is two I have been given ; "He stands out from the others , that felalh ! " " He a cheeky bugga ! - He's a balligunbellingupfrombellingen ! " (if you think that reads funny, you should hear it in a Gumbaynggirr accent ! )

You dont know what to proceed with or what you need help with and I dont know what you need to proceed with or need help with . I guess we are at an impasse .

Live everyday as if it were your last.

with what ? Only Nungali . Thats a good idea, I haven't eaten anything today , as yet.

That is right ! Only Granny can ! And it is great entertainment for kids party !

Of course ... according to the Nungali law of 3:4 more 'secrets'

But Wellsie .... how would you know if its a scam or not ?

Excuse me ! Take out an add banner dude and pay for it ! No free advertising here thanks !

Better to experience them personally then get them by 'sharing' but really a secret has two sides the obvious one 'shhh' and the 'not obvious one ' ( we gotta have someone to 'shhhh' with )

No , I dont mind. They might here is one that was removed from old Masonic ceremony. But first, do you promise not to reveal this secret information , under penalty of death ? ( because if this one gets out, we could all be arrested and put to death ) Okay ? <whispers in his ear > the earth actually goes around the Sun , all the planets do ! .. and day and night is caused by the earth turning on its axis .... shhh ! Just to put things in context , as an example of 'defunct mysteries' the modern 10 degree system of the OTO was condensed out of the old Rites of Mephis and Mizriam (and other sources ) that were done over 97 degrees ! Yikes. Lets go to the other end ; the supreme secret and mystery of the OTO (9th degree) .... basically it is a modern tantra technique where the mingling of activated sexual fluids was supposedly some form of the 'Universal Medicine' - health ,long life, regeneration, etc. But even Crowley stated this was misunderstood and primitive, he wrote (back then ) that soon it would not be secret nor magical at all, and it will be done properly and scientifically in a lab. The idea was there is some rejuvenating 'vitality' that can be passed on from within the 'pure and undeveloped seed' . Probable was , it was 'primitive', that was never going to work ... well, work as good as eating a lions heart will give you the courage of a lion . I think more will be revealed about this process as we research and experiment ore with stem cell technology .... this method does seem to work. So much for that secret . But there are more wonderful secrets to be discovered in the process, and what is more important is they are practical real things that one can use to improve their life. Even the 'secret' of controlling people and 'getting them to do what you want'. Controversial topic ? That depends on how one views it ( due to their, perhaps unknown, motivations ) eg . I taught a year 10 class for a while. There was a big prob with them and the school in that they kept getting into trouble for being caught smoking - cigartees are not allowed on school grounds - smoking is banned for everyone . They said to me " You seem to have a great relationship with the kids, perhaps you can get them to stop doing it ?" " Nah . " " Why not ? " " Well, I talked them to about it and they said why should they, some of the teachers smoke at lunch time behind the sports equipment shed , if they cant keep the rules, why should they ? I agree with them. " I was eventually persuaded to do something about it anyway. So the next day I told all my guys what happened and how we really have to stop smoking now, and I took out my packet of tobacco and put it on the desk and said had to be locked up for the day and said cough up ... man sooo many packets came out. I put mine and theirs in a cupboard and locked it. I made a point during the day to say to some of them - man I am really hanging out for a smoke , etc . At the end of the day I knew if I didnt give it back they would never hand it over again, but if I did it was actually a crime to supply minors with tobacco . So , with them watching me like hawks I unlocked the cupboard, took mine out, said 'Of course I cant give you your tobacco back, thats illegal, it will have to remain confiscated. and obviously got the key and put it my desk draw and " and dont you dare touch it ! " and left. next morning, cupboard empty ... and I do the same ... each day . Result - I got the kids to stop smoking at school . Thing was, I was in the same boat as them and they knew it, I wasnt being hypocritical, and I was trying to be fair honest and consistent, and show them and myself respect. I was also tolerant in originally listing and giving credit to their protestations about being hypocritically forced into something . If you want to get on with someone, teach them something, bring up kids, train a dog or a horse ; those 4 things honesty, consistency (very important) , respect , tolerance . Another short example ... you want to get someone to do something ... you can pay them people used to say to my boss ( a different job from teaching ) ' My workers dont do what I want them to, yours do, how do you do that ?" Ha ! by treating us good and fairly .... we loved him !, he was a great guy ! I am still best friends with him today, years after I quit work . Magick can be worked 'nicely' ... it doesnt have to have a gnarly selfish element like many suppose . The best 'secrets' I have found are all the ones 'along the way' .... often 'supreme secrets' are

Yes. But also it is a process of 'individuation' - psychologically . https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Individuation#In_Jungian_psychology But taking note that in the basic pattern, this is the first series of initiations , transforming into a fully developed human. The second series is about transformation into a 'magical person' . There is also the 'social context', that is the group itself is trying to emulate a new type of functional social order that should reflect the advancement of the individual , that is the group itself and its structural form and regulations should be 'advanced and developed '. But anyone that has read the 'politcal' history of the G.D. ...... eye yi yi ! litigations, court cases, lock outs, slander etc etc The preface to Equinox III 10 ( I think - gong off memory here ) by H.B. ( the current international head of OTO ) has a good article on this , title ' Cult Vs. Culture ' which describes the dynamic and how it can go 'good ' (culture ) or bad (cult ) . Not many people realise that some of these groups are involved in 'socio cultural' experimentation' . We operated like that for a while here . It was 'easy' to an extent, for us, as we sorta had a lifestyle that anyway, so it was easily adopted. Actually during a visit here by senior members from US they remarked how we just seem to 'simply do it' (instead of fuss and worry and try to organise and plan and or fight about it ) .

" It's all falling apart like a Chinese motorcycle. " < best quote >

and we should always be where we are .

Their goals are basically similar, but some have morphed or been forgotten. They are basically 'secret societies' or initiatory societies ; that is, a 'sub-set' or 'clan' within a society that has a special function. two things ; 1. All societies, through all time and different localities, all over the earth, have some form of this ( I know as studied Cultural Anthropology at University and have continued studying it since for the last 30 + years -in chair and field { that is , in books and film, etc, and also got practically involved in it } ) . Basically it is a process of education into society ( generally or specifically into a clan ) and the 'trade off ' - your 'individuality ' / a member of a collective . Also, who you are, how to behave and what benefits you can expect to get for that trade off . Or , in psychological terms it is development of a balanced ego between 'Id' ( totally self centred drives ) and the 'super ego ' ( human considerations, morals, ethics, etc ) . Also, societies want people that are balanced and developed and educated, so that is part of the process as well, There are basically three levels of initiation 9symbolised by birth life and death ) ; generally, and specifically tribally , the child is born like a helpless baby animal , which it is. The first initiation )or series of them ) is into the tribe or group, the 'animal' has become a 'person' , they will be expected to act beyond their animal drives and desires . They move towards initiation into manhood or womanhood and gain understanding and knowledge of themselves . The have become a social creature. After that the person is transformed into a 'magician' , basically ; a wise man, elder, guardian, shaman, monk, etc . 2, Due to societies changing and developing the aim changed; social development and education were done in many ways, also 'religion for the masses' but the initiatory societies concentrated on the development of the individual . The more liberal ones realised, mankind's progress and enlightenment does not seem to come from average movements and will of majority, it is through inspired, often solitary, genius , So they pushed for that . That is mostly their aim . As a Freemason once put it, essentially , it is about ' how should a young man " make his way in the world " . We could even say ; what is the best way for a young man to get what he wants . You probably realise this best is going to have a lot of qualifications . More on that later . a 3rd point is , a lot of these techniques are psychologically powerful (if not magically ) , perhaps even dangerous, for some . Pandoras box and all that . That depends on what you 'got bottled up inside of you' , in any case, you will have to deal with that somehow. That is why doing things in a correct order is important , Basics need to be learnt . for the 'magical stuff' . And that means that some groups will use them NOT to help you develop yourself and gain libertaion but became cult like and averse and try to use these techniques and processes not to liberate you to your own trye individualuty but to enslave you to their cult or master , Mwa ha ha haaar . Ooooh , i happens ,... from top end of Scientology and 'Order of the Solar Temple' * right down to bottom end 'Order of the Golden Phoenix ' . * After the cops found the bodies , in 'temple complex . An escaped member was asked ' Why did you believe this crap ? You are an intelligent man and an engineer and have a stable mind ? " He said he doubted it all until in one ritual he saw an apparition of the Holy Grail beaming and shining over the altar. he said nothing but asked another later if he saw anything, the man described exactly what he saw, without any prompting.. He asked others; same thing. So he thought it was real . It seemed real . When the cops pulled the place apart and got to the temple in the basement , they found a holographic projector built into the altar . Anywyz . Thats basic aim . Some groups specialise in more magical development. I am a retried .' , A did a lot of 'all that ' and also on an admin level ; being national secretary and assistant to IHQ (international level). I dropped out some time back when I hit 'hermit' then spent the time getting into Aboriginal Shamanism . yes, I am aware of some other societies 'secrets' ; some are impressive, some pathetic, some outdated superseded.

Hmmmmm ... maybe that why me not so good with women lately

I see ... and did she ever manage to escape ?

Well, it has been a bit boring here lately ... us old farts needed some livenin up

Oh, okay < phew> I thought you were going to post

Has not our seeker been given enough advice like that already. I think it is either time to help him .... or ignore him . I mean ..... I remember being young once ! It was fun

You have persevered a bit though, and that is good. My ancestors, genetically are Galitian / Irish Celts - so I 'resonate with that tradition. In 'programming' I am a 'westerner' or 'European' , so I have a resonance and attraction to those traditions . I'm connected strongly to nature an my environment and the energies there , so I want to know more about that, and how to live properly here in harmony with the land , so I am attracted to that tradition. I am not related to Hinduism or native American tradition, and etc. by birth or land, so , although they are valid, they are not in my 'portfolio ' and I dont see why people get so into those things if they dont have a connection with them ... maybe they think they are 'cool' or something ? So I was trying to work out or qualify what system might fit you better . Although to an extent , I encourage eclecticism . Thats why I wanted to know if you have connection to land and what your ethnicity is . Or we could just run with the western tradition. And although it IS a secret tradition, it CAN be outlined here as long as one does not reveal the exact form and wording of ceremony and ritual. For example, I have already done part of that when I suggested you were blind (at this stage ) - you dont really know who to trust or believe in, are they concerned with your progress and advancement or ... otherwise ? In a ceremony, whether it be in my tradition, Freemasonry, Wicca , Fellowship of Isis, The Golden Dawn etc The first part of the first initiation the candidate is blindfolded in representation of this . I can go through the whole system like that . The issue is, if you ever decide to do these things in action, it might be spoiled for you or 'not learnt wholly' For example I can tell you, when you ride a roller coaster, better hang on, dont do anything foolish, you will go up and down real fast, maybe have fear or maybe laugh. It might be fun, if it doesnt put you back out , thats why the back seat is worse and the front more fun. Now compare that with the experience of riding it yourself . Like telling someone what an orange tastes like is nothing like doing it yourself. Initiation sets up a deep learning experience so 'you get it' on a deeper level . Recent studies have shown this is a better way to learn, phenomenal results have also been shown, but in this case they use AR (augmented or artificial reality ) learning . similar thing, you are exposed to sights ,smells, actions, words, motifs, designs, etc . https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Augmented_reality This has been going on since the Palaeolithic ; I recommend watching the entire doco . One last thing for now ; before one even entered 'the sanctuary' , even before the 'blindfold' or the long entrance of darkness, they would have known, or seen the prime axiom (in Greek times written above the entrance ; Man - know thyself ! So really, that is the first stage . And for that I cant recommend anything better than https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthropology Expect to do a LOT of background reading, in any case . For a general background, easy read , I recommend the essentially important " In his dazzling history of the imagination, Patrick Harpur links together fields as far apart as Greek philosophy and depth psychology, Renaissance magic and tribal ritual, Romantic poetry and the ecstasy of the shaman, to trace how myths have been used to make sense of the world. He uncovers that tradition which alchemists imagined as a Golden Chain of initiates, who passed their mysterious �secret fire� down through the ages. As this inspiring book shows, the secret of this perennial wisdom is of an imaginative insight: a simple way of seeing that re-enchants our existence and restores us to our own true selves. " http://www.harpur.org/PJCHsecretfire.htm

Even you know the answer to that . I hope so, because if you don't, you probably do it yourself more than you realise .

You need to feed her up a bit .... open the wallet man, and take her out to dinner or something . and I dont mean $97 for ... Thats right , better keep her away from your ' other 'motorcycles '

yes, same in a sword match