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A typical two truths situation. While they lack reality in an ultimate sense, the systems are still real in a conventional sense, including the distinctions. And jumping too soon to the ultimate truth might mean that one jump off ship before reaching the other shore.

Anemoia. From The Dictionary of Obscure Sorrows, by John Koenig, comes a word the language badly needed but never had until 2021. It's the feeling of nostalgia for a time you've never known. A wistful longing for an idealized past that exists only in imagination or secondhand accounts. When I first came to the US, to New York specifically, it was a different city from what it is today, and far as I'm concerned, a better one. But back then my older female co-workers, native New Yorkers, would often tell me about New York they used to know in their childhood and youth, and it was nothing like the city I was witnessing... it sounded like a dream, an urban fairy land. On more than one occasion they actually shed a tear telling me about that lost city. And they gave me anemoia. That's just one example. I'm massively afflicted by that feeling for many purposes. Some of it overlaps with nostalgia for the worlds (sic) I knew in this life, some must be genetic memory, and some -- possibly -- memories of past lives. I wonder how widespread this anemoia thing is.

And then meaningful communication breaks down.

Let’s just discard all terminology used for thousands of years and call them whatever we feel like 👍 I’m typing this comment with my toes

The one truth gives rise to the 10 000 things. Freeform who was highly refered here repeatedly stressed that this "everything is the same" notion is ignorance. Your subtle bodies have a lot of different layers...chakras, energy pathways at different densities, energy nodes, subtle organs.... they all have DIFFERENT functions. A heart does something different than a liver. A car is not a bycicle just because there are wheels on both of them. If you have problems with your heart you go to a doctor who is specialized on heart health and not to one who is specialized on eye health. Chakras are in the spine ... fields in the regions of the inner organs.... both have very different functions....what they do, with what substances they work...etc.

My initial impression is that she seems to be coming from a Western Magical Tradition POV (which is confirmed by her background), but I found this to be an interesting presentation. Curious about other's thoughts if anyone has familiarity.

The conceptual systems provide maps. But the map is not the territory. The territory is a complex system of intelligences and energies that more or less connect the human into the Cosmos Many of those intelligences and energies are not meeting their design specifications and it is for the human to resolve/heal the various situations

Indeed ! Who needs all that 'extra trouble' . I was watching my boss once do 'paperwork' , he had a bunch of different stuff laid out on a table , including harassment from the taxation department , bills, insurance , some type of health and safety issue , the wages , and managing a repair on his private expensive vehicle and an issue with the trucks etc etc . ' heart attack ' material , in my book . I winced at it and he ' What;s that look for ?'' '' Ughh, I hate that stuff , that's why I am a bum and live simply and happy, do my work and at the end of the week , put my hand out and get money in it . Then after a few weeks I go back home to my cabin in the forest . .'' Boss ; '' Do you want to swap jobs ? ''

I am feeling nostalgia for a time I want to have . Yesterday I said to someone ; '' I am going to make my own commune and say who lives there or not ! '' Friend; '' Who might that be ?'' '' Me for a start , then various birds, including some tawny frogmouths, a flock of crimson rosellas , a wedge-tailed eagle, a collection of pademelons and potoroos, two wombats , a pond with some fish and three donkeys .

We can see from the given text that the priest addresses the god he is offering to as follows: "O Exalted-one! may he be praised, Great of Manifestations, the great Ba whom [B3] the gods fear ..." The word for manifestations is baw i.e. three ba birds ... and also the god is addressed as the great Ba. So we can see from the text without the need for any further elaboration that the 'ba' is related to the power to manifest and also that gods can be addressed as ba (interchangably with the usual word for god which is neter or netcher). So while the word ba is usually translated as 'soul' (which is itself a rather vague word these days) it might be better to translate it as 'divine power which can manifest'. Each person was said to have their own ba, usually shown as a human headed bird. This was one of the most important entities which together with others made a human being. As the Egyptians did not see a person as one thing but rather several entities interacting (that is until the person became 'one' in forming the akh spirit.) After death the ba of the deceased was said to fly to the East to view the sunrise. The ba unlike th eka was not bound t the body or dependent on offerings for sustenance. Spell 17 of the Book of the Dead describes what is said on viewing the sunrise (which as seen as a recapitulation of the the original creation of the cosmos in the first time. Here is a quote of the beginning of Chapter 17: Words spoken by the Osiris N: I am Ra in his rising, first in ruling what he made. What does it mean? It means Ra in his rising when first ruling what he made, It means the first rising of Ra in Henennesut, when there was the creation of the supports of Nun when he was on the high ground which is in Khemenu, when the children of the rebel were destroyed for him on the high ground which is in Khemenu. The Osiris N means the deceased ... or specifically his ba. And in the first line it is saying 'I am Ra ...' - where Ra is the sun-god creator. So the ba is saying 'I am Ra...' affirming his non-dual relation with the solar energy. Thus his innate divine nature. So for a definition of ba we can say 'a luminous divine power which creates forms from itself'. It is the divine spark if you like within us all. Our nature as spirit. A luminous energy which projects images.

I've had that for: (past life who knows?) "The Phoenicians were ancient master sailors, traders, and shipbuilders known for their extensive maritime network across the Mediterranean Sea, founded on technological advancements in shipbuilding and navigation. They used celestial navigation, particularly the North Star, to sail at night and were capable of long-distance journeys, reaching as far as Britain and potentially the Atlantic. Their maritime prowess allowed them to trade goods like famous purple dye, metals, and papyrus, and establish colonies, making them a dominant seafaring power for centuries."

"What we've got here is failure to communicate. Some men, you just can't reach."

Even normally Taoist used so many terms to describe a single object or process, according to their functions in the whole picture or simply due to some unknown reasons. Dantian and Mystic Gate are the terms that have many variations. e.g. the Central School says "between the outer and the inner Dantians". When they do not explicitly say LDT, it doesn't mean it is not LDT. I would say most people only use 1 or 2. When you say the spine, that is a good question, the location of LDT is not having a consensus. But the depth of Dantian inside the body is also not always agreed upon. Some say it is on the surface, 1.3 Chinese inches inside, the middle of the abdomen, inside the spine, the whole general area etc. The "Back" refers to the spot on the back of the body, behind the MDT (in front or in the middle). As far as cultivation is concerned, re ZZ (in another thread) and location of Dantian is not a big issue. Your system determines these. You are not supposed to change these yourself, even if you are very knowledgeable. It is not like a buffet whereby you can choose any combination of food.

Hence this entire thread

I can vouch / recommend this. The group is awesome and enables release of deep stuff into realization of awareness and abiding in it on a daily basis.

how i can sense it, it is neither inside, nor outside of the body 真土無位，真意無形，神哉神哉 true earth has no location, true intent has no form https://zh.wikisource.org/wiki/紫陽真人悟真篇註疏 〉

I have repeatedly been surprised with how my experiences fit the model, especially when the experience is way off from my concept of it. Sometimes, facepalm is the rule not the exception. It is easy to forget that some of the classics are confirmatory, not manuals, in their structure.

bah humbug

None of these systems are real. They are ‘boats’ to be discarded when ‘job done’.

Or, some of them are located in the same space. But feels different, have different functions.

The irony here is amazing

If you observe subtle anatomy then you know chakras are not elixir fields. To say they are the same is like saying the spine is the same as my lungs or my liver is the same as my heart.

I practice a chinese buddhist system. It differs between energy gates, chakras, and dantian. In my experience, they feel different and have different functions. Of course, opening an energy gate might lead to reduction of pain, among other things. That is not the point. The point is that you called all these different energetic spaces/functions dantians. The difference between us in this discussion seems to be that I believe that terms have value, while you seems to argue that any term will do if there is just some general connection to the thing it describes.

Vegemite sandwich