Help please - I am looking for a Qi Gong that cultivates prenatal Qi

[jzatopa]

Could someone help point me to a Qi Gong set of exercises that cultivates Prenatal Qi?  I am aligning this with the elements and while the elemental system of the tao works, I also work in ways that have air as an element.  As Air, Aleph, and one (as well as that which birthed the universe of 10,000 things - bet) are part of my other trainings that I am unifying.  Is there an exercise that you would recommend?  Sorry I have only been training about 8 years in multiple systems and only about a year in Qi Gong. 

[ChiDragon]

39 minutes ago, jzatopa said:

Could someone help point me to a Qi Gong set of exercises that cultivates Prenatal Qi? 

 
The Neidan Qigong method will do the job for you. FYI Any kind of Qigong will do if the LDT breathing was involved. However, Neidan was specially emphasized for cultivating Prenatal Qi. Please follow the discussion about Neidan on the Forum.

[jzatopa]

Thank you very much for pointing me the right direction. 

[cake1234566]

yeah neidan is definitely the way to go for anything prenatal, i also made the jump from western magick into neidan, its going to be really jarring at first because magick follows the typical sensibilities of complexity and difficulty equal power, neidan is doing a few extremely simple things and knowing in great detail what to look for

if i may ask what draws you to the idea of prenatal qi?

it isnt really air, anything prenatal is closer to the three veils of negative existence, post natal qi is often given an elemental attribute as well so its not an exact air parallel, in qigong and martial arts it often refers to breath but it takes on a different meaning otherwise, id say the three treasures are all space / akasha if i had to give them an attribution

 

edit: on rereading and trying to ascertain your intent, may i suggest bagua? the trigrams fit neater into the elemental system and the principles can easily be incorporated into ritual

neidan cant be unified with anything else since you're aiming for the least possible stuff to put it simply

also unlike neidan, worst thing that can happen if you mess something up is you fall haha

Edited yesterday at 08:33 PM by cake1234566

[ChiDragon]

2 hours ago, jzatopa said:

I also work in ways that have air as an element. 

Yes, air is a very important element. In TCM, It was considered to be a postnatal qi. It is the main source of external qi to make Neidan work for you. It provides oxygen to your body. Please keep this in mind. That is the key to success of Neidan practice. 

[jzatopa]

5 hours ago, ChiDragon said:

Yes, air is a very important element. In TCM, It was considered to be a postnatal qi. It is the main source of external qi to make Neidan work for you. It provides oxygen to your body. Please keep this in mind. That is the key to success of Neidan practice. 

 

You are thinking of Air after earth (as in there is a physical molecule).  Within what I am working with, that is a different part of how the now manifested in the beginning of beginnings.  However I understand how the Toaist elements are expressed too.   I am using these in a unifying system of the All across manifested earth (the planet).  So far the results are good but I need more info on some things that require experts who have gone deep in a system.  

 

One thing I see I can also do is just use metal (as it is related to the lungs).  Within Kabbalah, Bet is the existence manifest in the now of nows created at the beginning of beginnings - it exemplifies the house.  Alef the first letter of the alef bet, is Air but also that which precedes existence (related to Ein / OM).  When working the way it needs only some extra work in the physical practice.  What I am doing is unifying my Qi Gong, yoga and Kabbalah into a singular practice.  I am also using each separately.  So far, the clearings of toxic energy is solid and the expression of union is expanding.  Codifying spectrums of energy that have semantic definitions across the world takes first experiencing and then seeing where the unions, intersections and mutual exclusivities are for communicating the All in union between incarnations (people).  So far I have enough self evident explanations to start the foundation but it's the practical applications that I am looking to expand and overcome cultural bigotries/bias of linguistics from laymen and enhance the efforts of what is already being done within the collective religions ideally long term. 

 

[jzatopa]

6 hours ago, cake1234566 said:

yeah neidan is definitely the way to go for anything prenatal, i also made the jump from western magick into neidan, its going to be really jarring at first because magick follows the typical sensibilities of complexity and difficulty equal power, neidan is doing a few extremely simple things and knowing in great detail what to look for

if i may ask what draws you to the idea of prenatal qi?

it isnt really air, anything prenatal is closer to the three veils of negative existence, post natal qi is often given an elemental attribute as well so its not an exact air parallel, in qigong and martial arts it often refers to breath but it takes on a different meaning otherwise, id say the three treasures are all space / akasha if i had to give them an attribution

 

edit: on rereading and trying to ascertain your intent, may i suggest bagua? the trigrams fit neater into the elemental system and the principles can easily be incorporated into ritual

neidan cant be unified with anything else since you're aiming for the least possible stuff to put it simply

also unlike neidan, worst thing that can happen if you mess something up is you fall haha

I'll take a look at bagua, thanks for the help.  I think I answered your question in my other post so take a look at my response to ChiDragon

[Lairg]

1 hour ago, jzatopa said:

What I am doing is unifying my Qi Gong, yoga and Kabbalah into a singular practice

 

Are the spiritual patrons of those  practices compatible with each other?

 

[ChiDragon]

28 minutes ago, Lairg said:

 

Are the spiritual patrons of those  practices compatible with each other?

 

I don't see that there is any conflict, but I don't see what is the significance of the combination for the practice. They are separate methods. Thus they can be practiced separately. 

[Lairg]

Have a look at the spiritual patrons.

 

 

[cake1234566]

I think you have a good idea but might be a bit confused on how to accomplish it, i started out with something similar so i can give some advice

 

 Theres a few different versions of the spiritual philosophers stone even in the west for example

 

Renaissance christian alchemist working with kaballah mistranslations vs arabic golden era alchemist thatd take influence from sufism and zoroastrianism which have energetic components vs the original greek alchemy which worked with long lost egyptian spirituality mixed with platonic philosophy

 

So they have different goals and different ways to achieve the goal, and then when you get further out than the middle east the more different those mystical traditions become

 

its like saying that you want to unify metallurgy and violin playing,

different people, different processes, different goals 

 

now sticking to the basics will significantly boost your magickal practice which seems to be your main thing so id suggest doing that and maybe an internal martial art like bagua or tai chi, then when magick takes you as far as it can seek out neidan

 

figuring out the core of spirituality is a very human quest that a lot of people share and there is definitely overlap (we only have one body and one mind) you just need to know so much not public info the further east you go that its not feasible while western magick holds your interest, you'd have to empty your cup so to speak

[ChiDragon]

It seems to me that the OP is very clear about what it is asking. Somehow, the rest of the input and questioning seem to be out of context.

[MIchael80]

21 hours ago, jzatopa said:

Could someone help point me to a Qi Gong set of exercises that cultivates Prenatal Qi?  I am aligning this with the elements and while the elemental system of the tao works, I also work in ways that have air as an element.  As Air, Aleph, and one (as well as that which birthed the universe of 10,000 things - bet) are part of my other trainings that I am unifying.  Is there an exercise that you would recommend?  Sorry I have only been training about 8 years in multiple systems and only about a year in Qi Gong. 

We have to understand some things here. 

Prenatal Qi and Yuanqi are different forms of qi even though they are too often used as the same.

 

The next thing is that preheaven qi cultivation happens only in alchemical practices.  So these are methods that are part of an alchemical school or a system that comes from one. 

 

If you want to do these the ancient northern method of wuliu has opened to the public in 2023 and is a ancient neidan system. It contains preheaven cultivation. https://daode.world/

 

Or you could join yuxian pai which is also an ancient alchemical school.  Their organ qigong works mostly postheaven but has some preheaven cultivation as well. Yuxianpai.com 

 

All the best