Are humans better off as sheep?

[Nungali]

No !  This is serious business ! 

 

Do you realize  all pretzels used to be soft ? !  Thats the original and true pretzel . It wasnt until that upstart  , Martin Luther  like , Julius Sturgis  ( an American , of course )  decided to intentionally bake hard pretzels and market them , thus splitting  the holy symbol into two  followings .  This 'Church of England  America Pretzel '  now has influence world wide ;

 

• Hard Pretzels: Account for approximately 57% to 76% of total market revenue.
• Soft Pretzels: Account for approximately 24% to 43% of total market revenue.

Thus overthrowing the once true and only pretzel . 

 

Gosh ! They are nearly like a 'Communion wafer ' !  ... except you can make them at home  .  

 

 

 

 

[ No, I have no idea what that is . ] 

[old3bob]

 

Lets not forget that are probably organic pretzels  to be had somewhere that are baked with ancient sea salt on them;  so watch out for those GMO ones with bleached salt that is minus  natural trace elements!

 

Btw, If I remember correctly Jesus had something to say about salt, and in his day most of it  probably had its natural trace elements.

 

 

Edited 15 hours ago by old3bob

[old3bob]

9 hours ago, Nungali said:

 

Of course they are   ...  this is Abrahamic religions discussion forum    

 

 

 

It is apparently a Christian religious answer . I never made a good Christian as a little fellah ... apparently I asked too many questions and was encouraged to drop all that .... just 'be good' , plod along, dont cause trouble, no rocking the boat , and stop being interested in all that other stuff you want to know about  ... and eventually :  

 

 

 

did Jonah say there's light at the end of the whales belly?

[S:C]

4 hours ago, Nungali said:

Do you realize  all pretzels used to be soft ? !  Thats the original and true pretzel . It wasnt until that upstart  , Martin Luther  like , Julius Sturgis  ( an American , of course )  decided to intentionally bake hard pretzels

The question is, can you still call it a ‘pretzel’ if most of its substantial properties have been exchanged to others and only the resemblance of the form remains? 
 

Maybe we should differentiate between the traditional (Brezel, italian) and the consumerist/modern (Pretzel, American), to not have any misunderstandings come up? 
 

Words as empty vases. 

How can anyone ever be sure, the words and concepts sold to him/her/it in meaning and explanation are authentic / solid? If they aren’t? If you look at Edward Arthur Blair and ‘newspeak’ - in the modern world you might be sold something for something else entirely! 
 

Try religion, worldview or even concepts as love or enlightenment or death or spirits! 
 

So even if I here this is in the abrahamic section, just like other religions/worldviews, - at the basis of storytelling/fables/parables and myths,  there is an interpretation of gnosis or perception of world/other/self.  
 

Just if there isn’t or it cannot be seen or felt anymore, - to me it’s fake. ?! What is your take on this? When do you realize the essence (and all hope) is lost and the path a dead end? 
 

… but then again, there’s people who point out to the sacred in the most profane, so there still might be hope for Jona, whales, reptiles & the like. 

merry christmas, everyone ✨

[Nungali]

13 hours ago, old3bob said:

 

did Jonah say there's light at the end of the whales belly?

 

 

at the end of it .... that would be the whale's arsehole  .... so I am not sure what you inferred about the stairway to heaven   

 

... I dont know about all that lining up and all those stairs , it seems very tedious   and somewhat worse than Seaworld 

 

[Nungali]

11 hours ago, S:C said:

The question is, can you still call it a ‘pretzel’ if most of its substantial properties have been exchanged to others and only the resemblance of the form remains? 

 

Why not , tis the way of the modern world .   I mean if it looks like a pair of scissors , thats enough to get out there on the market  ... cheap plastic parts that are going to break so you will end up throwing the rest of the irreparable  metal parts away , un-designed  finger holes that hurt your fingers and blades that don't actually touch so they bend paper instead of cutting it .

 

Chairs that look like a chair  until you sit in it and realize it was never considered to support the human form properly . Cars full of high tech and safety and comfort gadgets that become useless due to some installed computer that does things for you that everyone did manually up to 10 years ago  . 

 

 

11 hours ago, S:C said:

 

Maybe we should differentiate between the traditional (Brezel, italian) and the consumerist/modern (Pretzel, American), to not have any misunderstandings come up? 

 

ERrrmmm ... isnt that what I just did ? 

 

 

11 hours ago, S:C said:

 

Words as empty vases. 

 

Like 'hard'  and  'soft '   ?  

 

11 hours ago, S:C said:

How can anyone ever be sure, the words and concepts sold to him/her/it in meaning and explanation are authentic / solid? If they aren’t? If you look at Edward Arthur Blair and ‘newspeak’ - in the modern world you might be sold something for something else entirely! 

 

Well , I dont remember ever buying a word ... but I am pretty sure that birds are those critters that fly through the air , this thing I am drinking  atm is 'coffee'  abd it is out of a cup' . 

 

Life must be confusing for you to  drink out of a cup and not be sure you know the name of it  or even how to ask for a 'cup' of 'coffee' ....  I guess you could mime it  . 

 

Wow ..if you have  that problem, imagine how confusing  and hard  for you to comprehend  anything , especially when words are a communication medium  ... say,  like on an internet forum ! 

 

11 hours ago, S:C said:

 

Try religion, worldview or even concepts as love or enlightenment or death or spirits! 

 

Actually I do that all the time . A few times here I have written about the meaning of the word religion   ( relating to 'to bind' and in other cultures 'Law' .   'Enlightenment ?   Ditto  several times .   Love .... mostly I talked about the two main distinctions between 'eros' and 'agape' .  .. spirits ? Nah, we never talk about that word ( being associated with air , breath, life force , and (in my view )  essence . 

 

Then again, I never bought words , I do look into their meaning though 

 

here you go, this might help , I consult them all the time  and often post info to clear up someone's  confusion ; 

 

https://www.etymonline.com/

 

( consider that your Christmas present  ) 

 

11 hours ago, S:C said:

 

So even if I here this is in the abrahamic section,

 

Eh ?    No wonder words confuse you ! Ya gotta get them in the right order . 

 

11 hours ago, S:C said:

 

just like other religions/worldviews, - at the basis of storytelling/fables/parables and myths,  there is an interpretation of gnosis or perception of world/other/self.  

 

Eh ? 

 

11 hours ago, S:C said:

 

Just if there isn’t or it cannot be seen or felt anymore, - to me it’s fake. ?! What is your take on this?

 

 

What is my take on   ' just if there isnt or it can not be seen or felt anymore  - to me its fake  '   just after you complained about the lack of clarity in the meaning of words  ?  

 

_ I dont really know what to say about that .

 

 

11 hours ago, S:C said:

 

When do you realize the essence (and all hope) is lost and the path a dead end? 

 

Usually around this point .  

 

11 hours ago, S:C said:

 

… but then again, there’s people who point out to the sacred in the most profane, so there still might be hope for Jona, whales, reptiles & the like. 

 

I like to point out  the hope  of reptiles and whales to the sacred as well    but I dont do it in a profane manner 

 

then again 

 

there are people  who point out the sacred  aspect within the most profane  things    so it makes sense and  ...... ( no sorry , I cant fix the rest  ..  whales and reptiles are profane ? or , there is hope for them ? ... or , you have a secret code to explain to us what those words really meant  ...   I know ! You are going to examine  the Book of Jonah in its original Hebrew to see what דָּג גָּדוֹל means  

 

11 hours ago, S:C said:

merry christmas, everyone ✨

?     what do those words actually mean ?  

[Salvijus]

11 hours ago, S:C said:

merry christmas, everyone ✨

 

I will echo this:

 

"Your Father has a gift for you today. It is the gift of Wholeness . . . and it is wrapped in your peace.

May every act of kindness, love, care, thankfulness and friendship expressed today spark a light in the eather of the earth and give rise to the spirit of Christ-in-mass. 

I am with you always, 

Amen. "

Edited 1 hour ago by Salvijus

[S:C]

22 minutes ago, Nungali said:

especially when words are a communication

then why aren‘t you communicating?
 

 

[old3bob]

2 hours ago, Nungali said:

 

 

at the end of it .... that would be the whale's arsehole  .... so I am not sure what you inferred about the stairway to heaven   

 

... I dont know about all that lining up and all those stairs , it seems very tedious   and somewhat worse than Seaworld 

 

 

yea,  we can hope the whale burps