Golden Elixir & Stages of Collecting Jing, Qi, Shen

[Lairg]

On 10/3/2025 at 9:12 AM, Kati said:

How do you personally distinguish these different inner stages in your own practice?

 

Decades ago, each  morning for a week while I was meditating, a new technique was shown to me.

 

The first was the most important:  controlling the levels of consciousness.   As each higher level is brought under control, the human becomes more reliable and hence invited into more cosmic processes 

 

I use levels of consciousness as the basis for spiritual/metaphysical experiments.   

 

In my view, every belief is an hypothesis awaiting experimental testing

 

 

[Lairg]

36 minutes ago, ChiDragon said:

How would you go about doing the spiritual/metaphysical experiments with the levels of consciousness? If it can be done, is it only done by mental processes

 

There are of course levels beyond the mind - although technically they are better referred to as awareness rather than consciousness.

 

Recently I have been connecting to (approached by?) an energy that traditionally has been called avataric.   I was talking to a friend and with a little sharing of our light-bodies she was able to see that energy flow too.

 

So I had her do an experiment:  Visualize particular words next to the energy flow and watch what the words did.  When she tried that avataric name, it was directly absorbed by the energy.

 

Then I told her to stand her light-body next to the flow.  She reported it was absorbed directly into the flow.

 

I was watching her process

 

I have tried such experiments with the same flow with another friend and had very similar results.

 

Both friends were able to lift their awareness to a plane  suited to the task.

 

There are lots of other experiments such as moving along this timeline to do  before and after experiments.

 

It is always good to have trained observer.  The experimenter is often in the center of the events and not looking for tangential changes

 

 

 

 

[Antares]

7 hours ago, Lairg said:

Decades ago, each  morning for a week while I was meditating, a new technique was shown to me.

May I ask what Daoist method/school you practiced then (and now)?

[Lairg]

1 hour ago, Antares said:

May I ask what Daoist method/school you practiced then (and now)?

 

I am not much into schools.   Thought/techniques appear in my mind and I have a go

 

 

[Antares]

6 minutes ago, Lairg said:

I am not much into schools.   Thought/techniques appear in my mind and I have a go

 

Daoist techniques or just "esoteric" ones? Do you see any distinctions between them?

[Lairg]

There is an important issue in techniques:  do they progress the local cosmos or do  they slow it down

 

 

[Antares]

59 minutes ago, Lairg said:

There is an important issue in techniques:  do they progress the local cosmos

What is the "local cosmos" in daoist terms? I think you'd better participate in "Esoteric and Occult Discussion". 

[Lairg]

Spiritual reality does not always fit into human categories 

 

 

 

 

[Forestgreen]

9 hours ago, Lairg said:

Spiritual reality does not always fit into human categories 

 

 

 

 

No, but your model of conditioned reality would fit better in another section on the site. It makes it easier to communicate, since we basically are discussing categories and models.

 

Have you noticed that many of your posts are interpreted as way of topic when you post them in for example discussions related to neidan? 

[Lairg]

Does reality always fit human concepts?

 

 

 

 

 

 

[forestofclarity]

6 hours ago, Lairg said:

Does reality always fit human concepts?

 

If you want to communicate and be understood, especially on a forum where everything is in words. 

 

Living in one's own head and following spiritual techniques that pop up in one's mind seems to me to be both unhealthy and unwise.  

[Lairg]

6 hours ago, forestofclarity said:

following spiritual techniques that pop up in one's mind seems to me to be both unhealthy and unwise.  

 

Fortunately I test energies for quality and intent before entering.

 

Occasionally I am fooled but a bit of time reversal has always solved that so far

 

 

[forestofclarity]

17 hours ago, Lairg said:

 

Fortunately I test energies for quality and intent before entering.

 

Occasionally I am fooled but a bit of time reversal has always solved that so far

 

This sounds like a self-perpetuating feedback loop, which is common in my experience in unhealthy mental states (anxiety, addiction, etc.). In other words, the mind (the habitual, egoic mind) says X and we believe it because the mind says so. 

 

Spiritual practice, in my experience, involves disempowering and becoming free from these loops with external feedback from realized teachers and the teachings that contain the experiences of many practitioners.