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“QUESTION: When it is said that the white and red elements in the form of the vital drops, in the head and the navel, meet at the heart and dissolve together when one dies, are these something other than egg and sperm?

 

RINPOCHE: Actually the original sperm and ovum have grown to form your whole body. The drops are not so much the original sperm and ovum as they are the essence or kernel of them, or you could say the kernel or essence of what has grown out of them. During your life, according to tantric physiology, the kernel of the white aspect, which you received from your father, is housed inside your head, close to the top. The kernel or essence of the red aspect, which you received from your mother, is seated below your navel, in the abdomen. In between these two is the basic prana that keeps you alive. These two actually keep the prana from escaping. When you die this prana collapses in on itself, into the heart. While these two keep the prana from escaping, the prana itself keeps the one up and the other down. When the prana withdraws into the heart, they then go in with it. The white drop comes down from the head, the red drop comes up from the abdomen, and they meet at the heart.

QUESTION: So the prana is going between the two?

TRANSLATOR: The specific prana—it is called the life-force wind”

 

Source:  Creation and Completion: Essential of Tantric Meditation Jamgon Kongtrul


The Life-Force Wind

In the heart center resides another of the root wind energies, the wind that “holds” the life force. The most important of all the wind energies and known as the root of all the winds, the life- force wind is what keeps us alive.

 

The current of life between the two poles of positive and negative energy, male and female, light and dark, Yin and Yang, life and death…everything is a tension mosaic between two extremes. Every being, each moment in time, the force of a particle’s electron wave manifests BECAUSE of this dynamic, without it there would be no spark, no ability to exist, there would be “no thing.” 
 

Which is why we can’t choose “this or that” because we need it ALL to be as it is, even though some is painful or undesirable or something we don’t want from our perspective because of our finite clinging ego mind. Nothing can be as it is without the whole universe being as it is.

 

So when we meditate and bring the Yin (Earth) energy up from Muladhara, root gate and Yang (Heaven) energy down from Bai Hui to meet in your center (MDT), you are recreating the very creation of your Being, reuniting the two halves of the original Essence to form the Shengtai “holy embryo” (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shengtai).











 

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Hi! 

 

Neidan works only with pre-heaven energies not with post heaven energies or substances. 

The embryo is made of preheaven material.

 

So while you describe alchemy....that is not neidan. 

 

Best whishes 

Michael 

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22 hours ago, yugenphoenix said:

“QUESTION: When it is said that the white and red elements in the form of the vital drops, in the head and the navel, meet at the heart/ ... .../

 

 

So when we meditate and bring the Yin (Earth) energy up from Muladhara, root gate and Yang (Heaven) energy down from Bai Hui to meet in your center (MDT), you are recreating the very creation of your Being, reuniting the two halves of the original Essence to form the Shengtai 

In my practice,  the first would be a description of energetics on a post heaven intermediate level, and the second would be seen as a misunderstanding of the process. 

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23 hours ago, yugenphoenix said:

 

RINPOCHE: Actually the original sperm and ovum have grown to form your whole body. The drops are not so much the original sperm and ovum as they are the essence or kernel of them, or you could say the kernel or essence of what has grown out of them. 

 


 











 

 

 @MIchael80 Not pre-birth? 
 

I was hesitant to title this post anything lol 😝 but the results and the progress I feel I am making can’t be called anything but Neidan but I don’t want to split hairs over words that are meaningless I will just call it something else 🙂

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1 hour ago, Forestgreen said:

In my practice,  the first would be a description of energetics on a post heaven intermediate level, and the second would be seen as a misunderstanding of the process. 


Appreciate the comments, it is not an intellectual understanding of the process but what I feel that I am attempting to articulate. 
 

I am foolish to talk about it anyway, but I was so excited by it and wanted to share my experience and ideas with others. 

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42 minutes ago, yugenphoenix said:

 @MIchael80 Not pre-birth? 
 

I was hesitant to title this post anything lol 😝 but the results and the progress I feel I am making can’t be called anything but Neidan but I don’t want to split hairs over words that are meaningless I will just call it something else 🙂

No, not pre-birth.

It is preheaven...compared to post heaven. 

Preheaven is original jing, qi and shen (called yuanjing, qi and shen).

Postheaven ist normal jing,qi and shen (and the bindus are postheaven).

 

These levels exist simultaneasly. But how they are accessed and worked with is different. 

The dan (= elixir) as well as the embryo is made of preheaven substances or it could not be eternal as the postheaven cannot be eternal by its very nature.

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@MIchael80 
Meant “Pre-Heaven” =“Pre-birth” 

I use those words interchangeably. 
 

Why do you consider the Bindus “post heaven”? 


But for sure I agree the Dan and Shengtai are both eternal and flawless like our “Buddha Nature”

Only something Infinite can be the key to u lock Infinity.

 

And yes everything everywhere exists simultaneously 🙂 But from your perspective what makes “how they are accessed and worked on differently”? 
 

Enjoying the discussion 🙏

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9 hours ago, MIchael80 said:

Neidan works only with pre-heaven energies not with post heaven energies or substances. 

The embryo is made of preheaven material.

FYI The pre-heaven(prenatal) jing requires to interact with the post heaven(postnatal) jings in order to produce neidan. Assuming that the embryo was considered as neidan as described here. 

By the TCM definition, the preheaven material came from the parents, such as embryo. The development stages of the embryo requires the post heaven materials, such as food and oxygen, for nourishment. The parents eat the food and breathe the air to feed the embryo/fetus through the umbilical cord.
 

Note: In alchemy, actually neidan was meant something else. 

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