No Old Sorcerers?

[Lala Nila]

This was going to be a response in another thread, but I think this topic warrants its own discussion or acknowledgement...

 

A few days ago I was on an hour long conversation over the phone with one of the mods on a pretty popular reddit subform. We spoke about all sorts of things, but mostly kundalini, inner alchemy, and lastly morality and ethics when conducting any magick or esoteric arts. He drew my attention to the wiki’s of r/kundalini. Which basically states there are unwritten “cosmic laws” that basically states the following:

 

1.The First Law: Don't mess with others' minds.

2.The Second Law: Kundalini is for knowledge, wisdom, growth, and defence, not attack.

3.The Third Law (more of a guiding criterion): Always send or use Kundalini with the condition "With No Karma Back To Me." If karma would result, Kundalini does nothing

 

This is similar to the concept in Wicca/Witchcraft of The Threefold Law.

 

We also spoke about Qaballah, The Qlippoth, Thelema, cause/effect, and maintaining balance in the natural world when conducting magick. In the past I’ve used a method that sort of expands my weiqi out to shield myself from extremely windy conditions when I was out walking and once to lessen a torrential down pour. He thought that even those acts could possibly have a karmic backlash via upsetting the natural order of nature.

 

Any of this is very well and great as an opinion, but I do also acknowledge strong evidence for this theory. I see the value of defence and not offence. I note that it is important not to mess with the minds of others, which would be considered black magick to some and unethical. I've also heard some occultists say these rules or laws don't exist at all.

 

The last thing he pointed out to me was how many old sorcerers do you know? Demonologists? Necromancers? There are not many that make it into old age. (Paraphrasing) But is that true?

 

The most famous mage of modern times that I can think of is The Great Beast, Aleister Crowley, he lived until 72, which is an extremely interesting number in and of itself. 72 years isn’t too bad in my opinion, although he did die in poverty, with poor health and addicted to opiates.

 

Jack Parsons was a protege of Crowley's, he died in an extremely violent fashion while attempting to his own Babalon Working.

 

Jake Stratton Kent, a modern formidable necromancer, mage and occultist. Apparently on his death bed the nurses had to take his pen away as he was overcome with drawing sigils and spewing forth unintelligible incantations. 

 

Rasputin the mystic was murdered in his late 40's.

 

These are just a few modern occultists that practised in a more darker tone that I can name off the top of my head.

 

Now, one death in modern times that struck me as interesting was that of Christopher Hitchens. While not a sorcerer or necromancer, Hitchens, an atheist, was a man who spoke out quite dramatically against the Abrahamic streams, be it Judaism, Islamic, or Christian. He died of throat cancer. 

 

Western folk magic we often hear about the Crone Archetype, The Wise Woman, she who helped the younger women with birthing, protective spells,  shamanistic rites and various incantations. The Wise Women were to be feared and revered in their communities. Unfortunately many of them were also burned at the steak. But, they did make it into old age and many of their practices carried on into modern times.

 

We often see depictions of Chinese Mages or Sages who reach a very old age. But what about necromancers wrought with more darker practices?

 

So, what gives?

 

Maybe balance, integration and transcendence? What you put out- whether good or evil comes back, if you shoot an arrow expect the recoil and unbalanced practices drains life force. Failure to integrate both light (healing, purification or devotion to a higher principle) and dark forces results in the practitioner staying in the shadows or remaining begotten to chthonic forces. Remaining in those dark places without seeking the balance of higher devotion (the Dao, Sophia, Shiva, etc), cultivating life or transcendence those places sucks the literal life from you. We see many old Sages, but rarely do we see old necromancers and demonologists. We often see those practitioners stuck in the shells of the Qlippoth, unable to transcend them and their minds or bodies (or both) ravaged in the process.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Sanity Check]

Imagine there are an infinite number of cosmic frequencies being broadcast throughout the universe.

 

Your heart and mind can receive these signals, attracting that energy into their life.

 

Out of the millions of frequencies that are available.

 

Some decide to tune into dark and negative frequencies of demons who hate humans and wish to destroy them. They make false promises and dangle carrots in front of people to lead them along catastrophically self destructive paths.

 

I think it is like that. 

 

For those who read the bible, there is a list of things that factor into discussions like this. 

 

For the same reasons many celebrities claim they're "manifesting" events. (As if they were Jesus turning water into wine.)

 

Without being able to connect the similarity.

[Annnon]

1 hour ago, Lala Nila said:

In the past I’ve used a method that sort of expands my weiqi out to shield myself from extremely windy conditions when I was out walking and once to lessen a torrential down pour. He thought that even those acts could possibly have a karmic backlash via upsetting the natural order of nature.

I do believe in wei qi but I believe in it in a different way, to me wei qi is something you build over time with disciplined qigong practice, not something you switch a button and expand your wei qi for this or that situation.

 

 

1 hour ago, Lala Nila said:

2.The Second Law: Kundalini is for knowledge, wisdom, growth, and defence, not attack.

Can you be more specific on how to use kundalini for attack and defence?

I understand kundalini as an energy coiled in the base of our spine and at the certain time after certain practices it ascends to the top of the head and that's it,I never heard of ways to use it for such purposes.

 

 

1 hour ago, Lala Nila said:

The last thing he pointed out to me was how many old sorcerers do you know? Demonologists? Necromancers? There are not many that make it into old age. (Paraphrasing) But is that true?

I don't believe in none of this, nothing they do works, and if it "works", they are just doing harm to themselves and wasting their time.

 

 

1 hour ago, Lala Nila said:

The most famous mage of modern times that I can think of is The Great Beast, Aleister Crowley

Run from him.. He went crazy, just like many others who follows this path.

 

 

1 hour ago, Lala Nila said:

But what about necromancers wrought with more darker practices?

I don't believe in none of this. Black magic and these "necromancers", it just don't work.

 

BUT these are my views and my beliefs, just giving my opinion

Edited 6 hours ago by Annnon

[Lala Nila]

1 minute ago, Annnon said:

I do believe in wei qi but I believe in it in a different way, to me wei qi issomething you build over time with disciplined qigong practice, not something you switch a button and expand your wei qi for this or that situation.

 

 

Can you be more specific on how to use kundalini for attack and defence?

I understand kundalini as an energy coiled in the base of our spine and at the certain time after certain practices it ascends to the top of the head and that's it,I never heard of ways to use it for such purposes.

 

 

I don't believe in none of this, nothing they do works, and if it "works", they are just doing harm to themselves and wasting their time.

 

 

Run from him.. He went crazy, just like many others who follows this path.

 

 

I don't believe in none of this. Black magic and these "necromancers", it just don't work.

 

BUT these are my views and my beliefs, just giving my opinion

 

I was out doing Taoist walking meditation at the time and I thought to give it a try. Maybe it was just in my mind..or maybe not....????

 

I'm not sure how one would even use that energy for an attack or defence, which is why I thought the concept was pretty interesting. Outside of that subform it's the first time I have ever heard about it in that context. I think it goes along the premise that certain siddhis are gained during awakening the force of kundalini.

 

Oh yeah, I'm not an Thelemite by any means I don't practice any of his style of magick. But, I have read some of his works/books. Just the look in his eyes was enough to turn me off for good. haha. Caveat- I do like the Thoth Tarot quite a bite however.

 

Thanks for your contribution to the thread, most appreciated!

[Lala Nila]

23 minutes ago, Sanity Check said:

Imagine there are an infinite number of cosmic frequencies being broadcast throughout the universe.

 

Your heart and mind can receive these signals, attracting that energy into their life.

 

Out of the millions of frequencies that are available.

 

Some decide to tune into dark and negative frequencies of demons who hate humans and wish to destroy them. They make false promises and dangle carrots in front of people to lead them along catastrophically self destructive paths.

 

I think it is like that. 

 

For those who read the bible, there is a list of things that factor into discussions like this. 

 

For the same reasons many celebrities claim they're "manifesting" events. (As if they were Jesus turning water into wine.)

 

Without being able to connect the similarity.

 

So to me, when framed in this manner I see the frequencies as a scale- both light and darkness contained within that scale.

 

What's interesting to note is that Jesus himself was accused of using demonic forces (Beelzebub) by the Pharisees - Matthew (12:24), it's obvious to Christians that he was using the power of the Holy Spirit, but an interesting accusation none the less. 

 

I totally agree with the carrot dangling analogy, false promises and celebrities using dark forces - or maybe more appropriately being used by dark forces.