Lala Nila Posted 18 hours ago This was going to be a response in another thread, but I think this topic warrants its own discussion or acknowledgement... A few days ago I was on an hour long conversation over the phone with one of the mods on a pretty popular reddit subform. We spoke about all sorts of things, but mostly kundalini, inner alchemy, and lastly morality and ethics when conducting any magick or esoteric arts. He drew my attention to the wiki’s of r/kundalini. Which basically states there are unwritten “cosmic laws” that basically states the following: 1.The First Law: Don't mess with others' minds. 2.The Second Law: Kundalini is for knowledge, wisdom, growth, and defence, not attack. 3.The Third Law (more of a guiding criterion): Always send or use Kundalini with the condition "With No Karma Back To Me." If karma would result, Kundalini does nothing This is similar to the concept in Wicca/Witchcraft of The Threefold Law. We also spoke about Qaballah, The Qlippoth, Thelema, cause/effect, and maintaining balance in the natural world when conducting magick. In the past I’ve used a method that sort of expands my weiqi out to shield myself from extremely windy conditions when I was out walking and once to lessen a torrential down pour. He thought that even those acts could possibly have a karmic backlash via upsetting the natural order of nature. Any of this is very well and great as an opinion, but I do also acknowledge strong evidence for this theory. I see the value of defence and not offence. I note that it is important not to mess with the minds of others, which would be considered black magick to some and unethical. I've also heard some occultists say these rules or laws don't exist at all. The last thing he pointed out to me was how many old sorcerers do you know? Demonologists? Necromancers? There are not many that make it into old age. (Paraphrasing) But is that true? The most famous mage of modern times that I can think of is The Great Beast, Aleister Crowley, he lived until 72, which is an extremely interesting number in and of itself. 72 years isn’t too bad in my opinion, although he did die in poverty, with poor health and addicted to opiates. Jack Parsons was a protege of Crowley's, he died in an extremely violent fashion while attempting to his own Babalon Working. Jake Stratton Kent, a modern formidable necromancer, mage and occultist. Apparently on his death bed the nurses had to take his pen away as he was overcome with drawing sigils and spewing forth unintelligible incantations. Rasputin the mystic was murdered in his late 40's. These are just a few modern occultists that practised in a more darker tone that I can name off the top of my head. Now, one death in modern times that struck me as interesting was that of Christopher Hitchens. While not a sorcerer or necromancer, Hitchens, an atheist, was a man who spoke out quite dramatically against the Abrahamic streams, be it Judaism, Islamic, or Christian. He died of throat cancer. Western folk magic we often hear about the Crone Archetype, The Wise Woman, she who helped the younger women with birthing, protective spells, shamanistic rites and various incantations. The Wise Women were to be feared and revered in their communities. Unfortunately many of them were also burned at the steak. But, they did make it into old age and many of their practices carried on into modern times. We often see depictions of Chinese Mages or Sages who reach a very old age. But what about necromancers wrought with more darker practices? So, what gives? Maybe balance, integration and transcendence? What you put out- whether good or evil comes back, if you shoot an arrow expect the recoil and unbalanced practices drains life force. Failure to integrate both light (healing, purification or devotion to a higher principle) and dark forces results in the practitioner staying in the shadows or remaining begotten to chthonic forces. Remaining in those dark places without seeking the balance of higher devotion (the Dao, Sophia, Shiva, etc), cultivating life or transcendence those places sucks the literal life from you. We see many old Sages, but rarely do we see old necromancers and demonologists. We often see those practitioners stuck in the shells of the Qlippoth, unable to transcend them and their minds or bodies (or both) ravaged in the process. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sanity Check Posted 17 hours ago Imagine there are an infinite number of cosmic frequencies being broadcast throughout the universe. Your heart and mind can receive these signals, attracting that energy into their life. Out of the millions of frequencies that are available. Some decide to tune into dark and negative frequencies of demons who hate humans and wish to destroy them. They make false promises and dangle carrots in front of people to lead them along catastrophically self destructive paths. I think it is like that. For those who read the bible, there is a list of things that factor into discussions like this. For the same reasons many celebrities claim they're "manifesting" events. (As if they were Jesus turning water into wine.) Without being able to connect the similarity. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Annnon Posted 16 hours ago (edited) 1 hour ago, Lala Nila said: In the past I’ve used a method that sort of expands my weiqi out to shield myself from extremely windy conditions when I was out walking and once to lessen a torrential down pour. He thought that even those acts could possibly have a karmic backlash via upsetting the natural order of nature. I do believe in wei qi but I believe in it in a different way, to me wei qi is something you build over time with disciplined qigong practice, not something you switch a button and expand your wei qi for this or that situation. 1 hour ago, Lala Nila said: 2.The Second Law: Kundalini is for knowledge, wisdom, growth, and defence, not attack. Can you be more specific on how to use kundalini for attack and defence? I understand kundalini as an energy coiled in the base of our spine and at the certain time after certain practices it ascends to the top of the head and that's it,I never heard of ways to use it for such purposes. 1 hour ago, Lala Nila said: The last thing he pointed out to me was how many old sorcerers do you know? Demonologists? Necromancers? There are not many that make it into old age. (Paraphrasing) But is that true? I don't believe in none of this, nothing they do works, and if it "works", they are just doing harm to themselves and wasting their time. 1 hour ago, Lala Nila said: The most famous mage of modern times that I can think of is The Great Beast, Aleister Crowley Run from him.. He went crazy, just like many others who follows this path. 1 hour ago, Lala Nila said: But what about necromancers wrought with more darker practices? I don't believe in none of this. Black magic and these "necromancers", it just don't work. BUT these are my views and my beliefs, just giving my opinion Edited 16 hours ago by Annnon 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lala Nila Posted 16 hours ago 1 minute ago, Annnon said: I do believe in wei qi but I believe in it in a different way, to me wei qi issomething you build over time with disciplined qigong practice, not something you switch a button and expand your wei qi for this or that situation. Can you be more specific on how to use kundalini for attack and defence? I understand kundalini as an energy coiled in the base of our spine and at the certain time after certain practices it ascends to the top of the head and that's it,I never heard of ways to use it for such purposes. I don't believe in none of this, nothing they do works, and if it "works", they are just doing harm to themselves and wasting their time. Run from him.. He went crazy, just like many others who follows this path. I don't believe in none of this. Black magic and these "necromancers", it just don't work. BUT these are my views and my beliefs, just giving my opinion I was out doing Taoist walking meditation at the time and I thought to give it a try. Maybe it was just in my mind..or maybe not....???? I'm not sure how one would even use that energy for an attack or defence, which is why I thought the concept was pretty interesting. Outside of that subform it's the first time I have ever heard about it in that context. I think it goes along the premise that certain siddhis are gained during awakening the force of kundalini. Oh yeah, I'm not an Thelemite by any means I don't practice any of his style of magick. But, I have read some of his works/books. Just the look in his eyes was enough to turn me off for good. haha. Caveat- I do like the Thoth Tarot quite a bite however. Thanks for your contribution to the thread, most appreciated! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lala Nila Posted 16 hours ago 23 minutes ago, Sanity Check said: Imagine there are an infinite number of cosmic frequencies being broadcast throughout the universe. Your heart and mind can receive these signals, attracting that energy into their life. Out of the millions of frequencies that are available. Some decide to tune into dark and negative frequencies of demons who hate humans and wish to destroy them. They make false promises and dangle carrots in front of people to lead them along catastrophically self destructive paths. I think it is like that. For those who read the bible, there is a list of things that factor into discussions like this. For the same reasons many celebrities claim they're "manifesting" events. (As if they were Jesus turning water into wine.) Without being able to connect the similarity. So to me, when framed in this manner I see the frequencies as a scale- both light and darkness contained within that scale. What's interesting to note is that Jesus himself was accused of using demonic forces (Beelzebub) by the Pharisees - Matthew (12:24), it's obvious to Christians that he was using the power of the Holy Spirit, but an interesting accusation none the less. I totally agree with the carrot dangling analogy, false promises and celebrities using dark forces - or maybe more appropriately being used by dark forces. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nungali Posted 8 hours ago 9 hours ago, Lala Nila said: This was going to be a response in another thread, but I think this topic warrants its own discussion or acknowledgement... A few days ago I was on an hour long conversation over the phone with one of the mods on a pretty popular reddit subform. Hopefully they are not a friend ... because what they say seems ill informed ( to be polite about it ) and a reddit sub forum mod is no substitute for real experience in the real world . 9 hours ago, Lala Nila said: We spoke about all sorts of things, but mostly kundalini, inner alchemy, and lastly morality and ethics when conducting any magick or esoteric arts. He drew my attention to the wiki’s of r/kundalini. Which basically states there are unwritten “cosmic laws” that basically states the following: What on earth is ; 'the wiki's of r/kundalini ' ? 9 hours ago, Lala Nila said: 1.The First Law: Don't mess with others' minds. 2.The Second Law: Kundalini is for knowledge, wisdom, growth, and defence, not attack. 3.The Third Law (more of a guiding criterion): Always send or use Kundalini with the condition "With No Karma Back To Me." If karma would result, Kundalini does nothing When making upo laws some often ascribe them to 'Cosmos' . It gives one validity and how the hell is one going to check with the cosmos to see if they really exist . Sorry, this seems like a case of those that do not know niod in agreement with those that make stuff up . And that using kundalini or sending kundalini .... eh ? 9 hours ago, Lala Nila said: This is similar to the concept in Wicca/Witchcraft of The Threefold Law. We also spoke about Qaballah, The Qlippoth, Thelema, cause/effect, and maintaining balance in the natural world when conducting magick. In the past I’ve used a method that sort of expands my weiqi out to shield myself from extremely windy conditions when I was out walking and once to lessen a torrential down pour. He thought that even those acts could possibly have a karmic backlash via upsetting the natural order of nature. Sorry, he sounds like a nutjob . Do you get 'karmic backlash; if there is a storm and you put up an umbrella ? Turn the heating on at home . Go tell him HE is creating 'karmic backlash' on the physical plane by not deleating his old phone photos and emails and causing a drain on the energy systems and water supply ! in August 2025, UK environmental officials advised the public to delete old emails and photos to save water during a significant drought, as data centers require vast amounts of water for cooling. While the advice sparked debate, it highlights that our digital lives have a tangible environmental footprint due to the substantial water and energy used to run and cool the servers that store our data. 9 hours ago, Lala Nila said: Any of this is very well and great as an opinion, but I do also acknowledge strong evidence for this theory. I see the value of defence and not offence. I note that it is important not to mess with the minds of others, which would be considered black magick to some and unethical. I've also heard some occultists say these rules or laws don't exist at all. That depends on one's system . Some of them are nasty and even in the world of 'non-magic' ( one example ; advertising / marketing ) interfering with another's mind or will power is common , however in Crowley's system , it could be considered the 'prime crime ' since it is based so heavily on the individual True Will . He did write some on crime and most misinterpret him ; he says something like , yes, it might be your 'true will' to be a thief , but everyone in your society has the right to personal property and if another deprives them of that right then the groups social will ( to have one;'s own property ) will decide to deprive and restrict the thief of his own goods and freedoms ( fines or incarcerations ) . Aside from Crowley's personal life , his published documents regarding the Hermetic Order or the Golden Dawn and the O.T.O often have a high moral and ethical guidlines to follow ( eg. Liber LIbera , the Constitution of the OTO etc . ) 9 hours ago, Lala Nila said: The last thing he pointed out to me was how many old sorcerers do you know? Demonologists? Necromancers? There are not many that make it into old age. (Paraphrasing) But is that true? Yes it is true . What is also true is the number of young and middle aged 'sorcerers' I or anyone else knows . Actually I cant think of one single sorcerer demonologist or necromancer I know ( except for claimants and wanabees on the internet ) 9 hours ago, Lala Nila said: The most famous mage of modern times that I can think of is The Great Beast, Aleister Crowley, he lived until 72, which is an extremely interesting number in and of itself. 72 years isn’t too bad in my opinion, although he did die in poverty, with poor health and addicted to opiates. 'Mage' now ? Thats the problem with these terms ... was he a 'sorcerer' or necromancer ? yes, 72 is a good run , considering what he managed to fit in to those 72 years . 9 hours ago, Lala Nila said: Jack Parsons was a protege of Crowley's, he died in an extremely violent fashion while attempting to his own Babalon Working. Errrrmmmm ... what ? He dropped some fulminate of mercury in his back shed / laboratory ... he was a 'rocket scientist ' ( and was the discoverer of solid rocket fuel ) . aftermath ; 9 hours ago, Lala Nila said: Jake Stratton Kent, a modern formidable necromancer, mage and occultist. Apparently on his death bed the nurses had to take his pen away as he was overcome with drawing sigils and spewing forth unintelligible incantations. 'Apparently ' ... is that a good source ? I know similar was said of Crowley , all sorts of things ; died scrawling curses on a toilet wall , last words were ... this or that ..... but he died alone in bed in his boarding house , so I dont know who would have heard his last words . How old was Kent when he died ? 9 hours ago, Lala Nila said: Rasputin the mystic was murdered in his late 40's. He probably fits the bill of 'sorcerer' more .... but I think it was his involvement in politics and the royal court that did him in . 9 hours ago, Lala Nila said: These are just a few modern occultists that practised in a more darker tone that I can name off the top of my head. Now, one death in modern times that struck me as interesting was that of Christopher Hitchens. While not a sorcerer or necromancer, Hitchens, an atheist, was a man who spoke out quite dramatically against the Abrahamic streams, be it Judaism, Islamic, or Christian. He died of throat cancer. Its tempting to make a link there , if it is valid then I expect to see an awful lot of Christians , Jews and Muslims getting their 'just desserts ' ...... oh, wait ! ..... 9 hours ago, Lala Nila said: Western folk magic we often hear about the Crone Archetype, The Wise Woman, she who helped the younger women with birthing, protective spells, shamanistic rites and various incantations. The Wise Women were to be feared and revered in their communities. Unfortunately many of them were also burned at the steak. But, they did make it into old age and many of their practices carried on into modern times. We often see depictions of Chinese Mages or Sages who reach a very old age. But what about necromancers wrought with more darker practices? So, what gives? Ummmm .... a nutty conversation with a reddit mod ? Look , many Tibetan Buddhist traditions we could say are necromancers and demonologists ( they just cover that up ) - look into a 'Chod rite ' and many similar practices . Some of them are the nicests and kindest people you could meet ... and many are elderly as well , and 'sprightly ' 9 hours ago, Lala Nila said: Maybe balance, integration and transcendence? What you put out- whether good or evil comes back, if you shoot an arrow expect the recoil and unbalanced practices drains life force. Failure to integrate both light (healing, purification or devotion to a higher principle) and dark forces results in the practitioner staying in the shadows or remaining begotten to chthonic forces. It seems so .... in many cases , not just magick and not just things that 'people misinterpret ' 'You piss in your water .... you end up with pissy water .' .... simple . 9 hours ago, Lala Nila said: Remaining in those dark places without seeking the balance of higher devotion (the Dao, Sophia, Shiva, etc), cultivating life or transcendence those places sucks the literal life from you. We see many old Sages, but rarely do we see old necromancers and demonologists. We often see those practitioners stuck in the shells of the Qlippoth, unable to transcend them and their minds or bodies (or both) ravaged in the process. Well, I didnt really see them from your above samples . But what you say in this paragraph is probably true . Take diet for example .... look how 'invoking' ( eating ) the dark negative and dead (un-vital) has had an effect on modern health . As far as 'demonology' goes , I would say look into the benefits that the qualified seem to have generated (eg , again in some types of Tibetan Buddhism ) and do not see the unqualified , untrained , 'internet expert / claimant ' , sensationalist , etc as a valid example of the results . . . in any field , actually . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nungali Posted 8 hours ago 8 hours ago, Annnon said: I do believe in wei qi but I believe in it in a different way, to me wei qi is something you build over time with disciplined qigong practice, not something you switch a button and expand your wei qi for this or that situation. Can you be more specific on how to use kundalini for attack and defence? I understand kundalini as an energy coiled in the base of our spine and at the certain time after certain practices it ascends to the top of the head and that's it,I never heard of ways to use it for such purposes. I don't believe in none of this, nothing they do works, and if it "works", they are just doing harm to themselves and wasting their time. Run from him.. He went crazy, just like many others who follows this path. I don't believe in none of this. Black magic and these "necromancers", it just don't work. BUT these are my views and my beliefs, just giving my opinion But , if you dont believe in none of it ... that means you DO believe in SOME of it . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nungali Posted 8 hours ago 8 hours ago, Lala Nila said: I was out doing Taoist walking meditation at the time and I thought to give it a try. Maybe it was just in my mind..or maybe not....???? I'm not sure how one would even use that energy for an attack or defence, which is why I thought the concept was pretty interesting. Outside of that subform it's the first time I have ever heard about it in that context. Same here ... but I bet you we could find stuff on daobumas about that : 'My kundalini came out my eyes like laser beams and I used them to cook eggs for breakfast ! ' 8 hours ago, Lala Nila said: I think it goes along the premise that certain siddhis are gained during awakening the force of kundalini. Oh yeah, I'm not an Thelemite by any means I don't practice any of his style of magick. But, I have read some of his works/books. Just the look in his eyes was enough to turn me off for good. haha. Caveat- I do like the Thoth Tarot quite a bite however. Dont bite your cards ! Anyway , they were painted by Frieda , not Crowley ... what a dear : Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lala Nila Posted 7 hours ago 15 minutes ago, Nungali said: Same here ... but I bet you we could find stuff on daobumas about that : 'My kundalini came out my eyes like laser beams and I used them to cook eggs for breakfast ! ' Dont bite your cards ! Anyway , they were painted by Frieda , not Crowley ... what a dear : Hehehehe, sorry about that typo..oddly enough I have bitten my cards before- But it was during a ritual. I really like these counter arguments, I was hoping that someone would offer another opinion on all this. I'm going to read your detailed, thoughtful and somewhat cheeky response and provide you with more info, details and answer the questions. Thanks Nungali, super awesome response! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lairg Posted 7 hours ago (edited) 11 hours ago, Lala Nila said: Jack Parsons was a protege of Crowley's I read a number of OTO biographies. They all seemed to me to be tragedies. In my inner plane encounters with adverse entities, almost always they are seen as disposable by their supervisors - who in turn are also seen as disposable. Adverse entities often use humans etc as a feeding source. That pattern seems to exist over many incarnations. 11 hours ago, Lala Nila said: I was out walking and once to lessen a torrential down pour. He thought that even those acts could possibly have a karmic backlash My own observations indicate that weather is greatly impacted by the consciousness of local humans - on an hourly basis. For a year, every Sunday in northern Scotland, I walked outside from 1pm to 3pm and never got wet. It was just a matter of cheering up the local community. I was driven into the driest town on earth. On the right I could see dark clouds and rain. On the left there were dark clouds wanting to rain. In the middle was the town with padlocks on the taps and hard hearted humans. Edited 7 hours ago by Lairg 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sanity Check Posted 7 hours ago 1 hour ago, Nungali said: And that using kundalini or sending kundalini .... eh ? Its an attempt to create a conditional statement. Preventing sorcery from executing if it would result in negative karma. "Joe Bob Cooter is casting a curse on Willy Wonka." "But if Joe Bob Cooter will receive significant negative karma for casting said curse, let the curse fail, without executing." ... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sanity Check Posted 7 hours ago 9 hours ago, Lala Nila said: What's interesting to note is that Jesus himself was accused of using demonic forces (Beelzebub) by the Pharisees One interesting thing I randomly stumbled across was. Beelzebub. Started out as Baal ze bub. Its something like... another name for Baal. The bohemian rhapsody song by queen has a beelzebub reference in it. Wondered for a long time, "what is a beelzebub anyways"? Mind blowing to me, for whatever reason. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lala Nila Posted 6 hours ago 2 minutes ago, Sanity Check said: One interesting thing I randomly stumbled across was. Beelzebub. Started out as Baal ze bub. Its something like... another name for Baal. The bohemian rhapsody song by queen has a beelzebub reference in it. Wondered for a long time, "what is a beelzebub anyways"? Mind blowing to me, for whatever reason. Beelzebub or Baal-ze-Bub was a Philistine deity or God of the city of Ekorn, he was later demoted to demon by Judaic and Christian authorities, which is a daily common practice. Many Goetia were treated this way. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lala Nila Posted 6 hours ago Quote Hopefully they are not a friend ... because what they say seems ill informed ( to be polite about it ) and a reddit sub forum mod is no substitute for real experience in the real world . Not a friend, an acquaintance who I was chatting with on reddit, then he asked to move the conversation (because of spies ??? lol) onto signal, which progressed to having a phone chat. I'm vetting him, because, yes, "the rules" are strange and stick out to me. The r/kundalini sub is an interesting place to visit. Lot's of people asking for help, people get banned or deleted for asking "inappropriate" or dangerous questions that go against these so called "Laws." Quote What on earth is ; 'the wiki's of r/kundalini ' ? https://www.reddit.com/r/kundalini/comments/d1abvi/oral_tradition_rules_for_the_wise_ad_safe_use_of/ Quote When making upo laws some often ascribe them to 'Cosmos' . It gives one validity and how the hell is one going to check with the cosmos to see if they really exist . Sorry, this seems like a case of those that do not know niod in agreement with those that make stuff up . And that using kundalini or sending kundalini .... eh ? Well yes, I agree. Especially when so called laws are passed down via oral tradition as stated above in the reddit link provided (aside from near instant cause/effect 'karmic" backlash). For a second I thought your typo was "noided" - making a Death Grips reference, sigh...it's not. lol. To clarify its to use "kundalini" for nefarious purposes, or even for healing as that could be seen as screwing with someone's "karma." I'm not even sure how someone would harness kundalini to achieve this in the first place. Yea, via an ET I get how you do this, but is that using kundalini? Quote Sorry, he sounds like a nutjob . Do you get 'karmic backlash; if there is a storm and you put up an umbrella ? Turn the heating on at home . Go tell him HE is creating 'karmic backlash' on the physical plane by not deleating his old phone photos and emails and causing a drain on the energy systems and water supply ! in August 2025, UK environmental officials advised the public to delete old emails and photos to save water during a significant drought, as data centers require vast amounts of water for cooling. While the advice sparked debate, it highlights that our digital lives have a tangible environmental footprint due to the substantial water and energy used to run and cool the servers that store our data. Yes! This is a fantastic point and unfortunately when I'm speaking to older dudes I'm not quick on my feet and tend to act like a little girl being scolded. I have to really formulate my responses well in order to sound somewhat coherent and not like a retard. Quote That depends on one's system . Some of them are nasty and even in the world of 'non-magic' ( one example ; advertising / marketing ) interfering with another's mind or will power is common , however in Crowley's system , it could be considered the 'prime crime ' since it is based so heavily on the individual True Will . He did write some on crime and most misinterpret him ; he says something like , yes, it might be your 'true will' to be a thief , but everyone in your society has the right to personal property and if another deprives them of that right then the groups social will ( to have one;'s own property ) will decide to deprive and restrict the thief of his own goods and freedoms ( fines or incarcerations ) . Aside from Crowley's personal life , his published documents regarding the Hermetic Order or the Golden Dawn and the O.T.O often have a high moral and ethical guidlines to follow ( eg. Liber LIbera , the Constitution of the OTO etc . ) I agree with you "Do what thou wilt shall be the whole under the law, LOVE is the LAW, Love under will" this is a very nice motto of Crowley's that is often used purposefully by outsiders to mislead. They mostly just include the first part- not mentioning LOVE at all. Yes, I know of his involvement with those orders but did he truly live a life of "high moral ground." ? Quote Ummmm .... a nutty conversation with a reddit mod ? Look , many Tibetan Buddhist traditions we could say are necromancers and demonologists ( they just cover that up ) - look into a 'Chod rite ' and many similar practices . Some of them are the nicests and kindest people you could meet ... and many are elderly as well , and 'sprightly ' Yes, possibly nutty. lol I agree, with the second part as well. But wouldn't those practitioners of various darker Tibetan Buddhist rites/rituals also be balancing those acts with other rites, magick and genuinely empathetic behaviour that we could consider to be more positive, or at the very least they are cultivating some form of energy to counter act the drain of the "negative" ? I don't really like using term of positive and negative, it's all in the eye of the beholder really. Or what the end game objective is? Not sure yet. Quote Yes it is true . What is also true is the number of young and middle aged 'sorcerers' I or anyone else knows . Actually I cant think of one single sorcerer demonologist or necromancer I know ( except for claimants and wanabees on the internet ) SAME, with the exception of a few. Most have abandoned those practices and moved on to other, less edge lord shit. There are a few voodoo practitioners I've met, but they are so secretive I have no idea what their true practices are. Most people that I do know who work the dead it is all via ancestor worship. Which is hardly demonic and I'm not sure I would even call it necromancy. Quote Mage' now ? Thats the problem with these terms ... was he a 'sorcerer' or necromancer ? yes, 72 is a good run , considering what he managed to fit in to those 72 years . Fair, all the terms are a little much. I would say he was a mage, tried all sorts of paradigms, from enochian to qaballah. A jack of all trades if you will. I do think 72 was a pretty good run as well. Parsons. Yes, he was a rocket scientist and got a little carried away in his rituals. I don't know why he was using those compounds, but what I do know is that he was obsessed with his own Babalon Working and that particular entity is not for the faint of heart, is she? She is a formidable force, The Great Mother, maybe an avatar of Kali or Durga. Nearly identical to the entity John Dee came into contact with, I won't post Daughters of Fortitude here due to it's length and straying form the topic at hand. But Balabon is a badass.. "BABALON, as the Great Mother, represents MATTER, a word which is derived from the Latin word for Mother. She is the physical mother of each of us, the one who provided us with material flesh to clothe our naked spirits; She is the Archetypal Mother, the Great Yoni, the Womb of all that lives through the flowing of Blood; She is the Great Sea, the Divine Blood itself which cloaks the World and which courses through our veins; and She is Mother Earth, the Womb of All Life that we know." A lot of crap went down with Parsons that is too lengthy to mentioned here and yes, maybe drawing a connection to his esoteric work might be a stretch, but I truly doubt it. At the very least his magick, jealousy and his deteriorating mental state created a clusterfuck he was unable to escape from and greatly affected his judgment. Quote Well, I didnt really see them from your above samples . But what you say in this paragraph is probably true . Take diet for example .... look how 'invoking' ( eating ) the dark negative and dead (un-vital) has had an effect on modern health . As far as 'demonology' goes , I would say look into the benefits that the qualified seem to have generated (eg , again in some types of Tibetan Buddhism ) and do not see the unqualified , untrained , 'internet expert / claimant ' , sensationalist , etc as a valid example of the results . . . in any field , actually . I could have used better examples, I agree. But these were just the few I knew off the top of my head. Crowley was discussed at length with this person. Yes, the dangers of using unqualified, internet "people" or avatars (too many masks, delusions of grandeur, personas) to take seriously as teachers. It just crazy out there. Great advice here, thanks a bunch. Diet is a tricky thing. I see a ton of vegans and vegetarians that look like the living dead. If I don't eat meat (I train a lot), I feel like hell...I've done keto, felt great for a little bit...but then you know...a little carbonara starts calling your name and that's basically the end of that. Maybe I don't understand your sentence well actually. Isn't everything we eat dead? Surely plants have a type of consciousness we're not aware of (most of us anyway), mushrooms are also complex life forms that communicate with each other and other vegetation (as per Stamets). Grass sends out defence mechanism when is get chopped down. Un-vital food, for me means highly processed, lab created, chemical infused slop that we like to market as food but has such low nutritional value we have to add "nutrition' back into it. It's more of a food type substance. Quote Same here ... but I bet you we could find stuff on daobumas about that : 'My kundalini came out my eyes like laser beams and I used them to cook eggs for breakfast ! ' or maybe it shot out of their booty hole and their house is now on fire...ouch. hahaha Thanks for your responses, I appreciate the time you put in the thread, helped me out quite a bit...or a bite lol. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Annnon Posted 5 hours ago 3 hours ago, Nungali said: But , if you dont believe in none of it ... that means you DO believe in SOME of it . I only believe in the tibetan vajrayana buddhists😁 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nungali Posted 1 hour ago 6 minutes ago, Lairg said: I read a number of OTO biographies. They all seemed to me to be tragedies. One assumes such biographies were written by members of the OTO as the OTO cannot write a 'biography' itself . And I assume they must be written down for you to read them , so ... what are they ... titles ... and authors please . (or did you 'time travel in another time stream' / 'envision' / make up these 'biographies ' ? ) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nungali Posted 56 minutes ago (edited) 5 hours ago, Lala Nila said: Not a friend, an acquaintance who I was chatting with on reddit, then he asked to move the conversation (because of spies ??? lol) onto signal, which progressed to having a phone chat. I'm vetting him, because, yes, "the rules" are strange and stick out to me. The r/kundalini sub is an interesting place to visit. Lot's of people asking for help, people get banned or deleted for asking "inappropriate" or dangerous questions that go against these so called "Laws." https://www.reddit.com/r/kundalini/comments/d1abvi/oral_tradition_rules_for_the_wise_ad_safe_use_of/ It sounds like he has set up his own little 'kingdom' there . Quote Well yes, I agree. Especially when so called laws are passed down via oral tradition as stated above in the reddit link provided (aside from near instant cause/effect 'karmic" backlash). For a second I thought your typo was "noided" - making a Death Grips reference, sigh...it's not. lol. To clarify its to use "kundalini" for nefarious purposes, or even for healing as that could be seen as screwing with someone's "karma." I'm not even sure how someone would harness kundalini to achieve this in the first place. Yea, via an ET I get how you do this, but is that using kundalini? With the 'new consciousness' nowadays, I suppose it can be whatever one claims it is . Quote Yes! This is a fantastic point and unfortunately when I'm speaking to older dudes I'm not quick on my feet and tend to act like a little girl being scolded. I have to really formulate my responses well in order to sound somewhat coherent and not like a retard. This old dude does not think you sound like that . Actually you sound sensible and balanced ... my God that is rare nowadays ! But not to disappoint you .... you can wipe that smile off your face right now ! Quote I agree with you "Do what thou wilt shall be the whole under the law, LOVE is the LAW, Love under will" this is a very nice motto of Crowley's that is often used purposefully by outsiders to mislead. They mostly just include the first part- not mentioning LOVE at all. Yes, I know of his involvement with those orders but did he truly live a life of "high moral ground." ? Nah . Not socially, at least . And even if he did , those post-Victorian 'morals' ... Yikes ! ( 'morals' with racism and sexism ! ) Those moral times were overboard compared to today though . Even in my family ! I didnt find out until I was about 40 that my dear loving parents had threatened to kick my big sister out the house - no job , young and pregnant ... the shame the shame .... if she didnt marry the idiot responsible . I thinks Crowley went deliberately overboard in his mocking of morals which at times seemed justified * , at times seemed weird and selfishly indulgent . and at other times just for the reaction . On a more serious and technical matter I think he made a 'big miss' in that , at these times, psychiatry was just coming onto fashion and unfortunately Freud was the reference ( this was pre Jung ) and Crowley mistook sublimated drives as indications of expression of True Will, which they clearly are not . It was not until Israel Regardie studied and learnt those systems , and psychiatry and psychology ( and Jung ) and got qualified in them that more 'wholesome' work appeared . * Rodin and made a sculpture of Oscar Wilde ... but to everyone's shock it was a nude and about to be unveiled publicly. The authorities commissioned another sculptor to attack a fig leaf over the offending bit. some artists complained, so it was a bit of kerfuufle . On unveiling the statute it appeared someone had removed the fig leaf . Outrageous , but the supporting artists laughed . No one fessed up though . That night at the gentleman's club in town Crowley turned up, dressed up very formally , top hat and tails and all that ... and a stone fig leaf attached to the fly of his trousers . That, I can appreciate . Quote Yes, possibly nutty. lol I agree, with the second part as well. But wouldn't those practitioners of various darker Tibetan Buddhist rites/rituals also be balancing those acts with other rites, magick and genuinely empathetic behaviour that we could consider to be more positive, or at the very least they are cultivating some form of energy to counter act the drain of the "negative" ? Certainly ! ... as should be the case in any system . But people get attracted to 'like likes like' ... the adept should have 'the feet below the hells and the head above the heavens ' or to quote someone else ' the goodly spiritual will seek that expression of ego but those that have a dastardly fascination will be attracted to more dastardliness ' ( I made that last part up ) Quote I don't really like using term of positive and negative, it's all in the eye of the beholder really. Or what the end game objective is? Not sure yet. SAME, with the exception of a few. Most have abandoned those practices and moved on to other, less edge lord shit. There are a few voodoo practitioners I've met, but they are so secretive I have no idea what their true practices are. I can outline the one I did if you want to know . Quote Most people that I do know who work the dead it is all via ancestor worship. Which is hardly demonic and I'm not sure I would even call it necromancy. No it isnt , if anything , within that terminology it would be like the old 'spiritualism' or 'spirit-ism' ... mediums and such . . The word necromancy itself signifies a corpse being involved and relates to prophesy ... again , terminology . Quote Fair, all the terms are a little much. I would say he was a mage, tried all sorts of paradigms, from enochian to qaballah. A jack of all trades if you will. I do think 72 was a pretty good run as well. Thats sounds like me .... minus a few years . Quote Parsons. Yes, he was a rocket scientist and got a little carried away in his rituals. I don't know why he was using those compounds, he was still experimenting with rocket fuels . Its like a trigger substance , some fuels are great once they get going but hard to get going . Think of firewood , a good coaling long burning wood is good but hard to light . Something like ( for here ) wattle is great as a starter but burns hot and quick and soon turns to ash . Fulminate of mercury, or Mercury(II) fulminate (Hg(CNO)₂), is a highly sensitive primary explosive used as a trigger in percussion caps and detonators. It was discovered by Edward Charles Howard in 1800, with its use in firearms pioneered by Alexander John Forsyth. Because it is easily set off by friction, heat, or shock, it is used to initiate the explosion of other, less sensitive explosives. Quote but what I do know is that he was obsessed with his own Babalon Working and that particular entity is not for the faint of heart, is she? She is a formidable force, The Great Mother, maybe an avatar of Kali or Durga. Nearly identical to the entity John Dee came into contact with, I won't post Daughters of Fortitude here due to it's length and straying form the topic at hand. But Balabon is a badass.. "BABALON, as the Great Mother, represents MATTER, a word which is derived from the Latin word for Mother. She is the physical mother of each of us, the one who provided us with material flesh to clothe our naked spirits; She is the Archetypal Mother, the Great Yoni, the Womb of all that lives through the flowing of Blood; She is the Great Sea, the Divine Blood itself which cloaks the World and which courses through our veins; and She is Mother Earth, the Womb of All Life that we know." We could start a thread on this . The fierce aspect is like the Egyptian Sekhmet , the lioness , but the 'nicer' aspect is Hathor , the cow (sort of ) , yet Hathor rules the noonday Sun ... and that is fierce , especially in Egypt . The forms of mother / goddess go from the highest right down to ... well, you . Everything from Nuit ( Wallenganda ) the stars and voids of space , to divine Sophia that sits on top of the Supernals , down through any manifestation you might want or like ; the great sea , the earth . Gaia , Mother nature ... even localized 'Big Mums' up in the sky looking after an area , and a smaller location ( the one over this valley here is great ! Thanks Mum ! ) , our own mothers , that mermaid that appeared to me as a child ... 'Mary' floating in the clouds that zapped my 'third eye' .... your wife or girl friend .... and one day , you might be a physical Mum yourself ( if you are not already ) Mums everywhere Quote A lot of crap went down with Parsons that is too lengthy to mentioned here and yes, maybe drawing a connection to his esoteric work might be a stretch, but I truly doubt it. At the very least his magick, jealousy and his deteriorating mental state created a clusterfuck he was unable to escape from and greatly affected his judgment. So much so that Crowley sacked him from being the head of USA OTO ... mostly to do with his involvement with L.Ron Hubbard . And yes he did write some trash ( I thought ) about Babalon, darkness , witchcraft etc. it also seemed unfinished and disjointed . Quote I could have used better examples, I agree. But these were just the few I knew off the top of my head. Crowley was discussed at length with this person. Yes, the dangers of using unqualified, internet "people" or avatars (too many masks, delusions of grandeur, personas) to take seriously as teachers. It just crazy out there. Great advice here, thanks a bunch. Diet is a tricky thing. I see a ton of vegans and vegetarians that look like the living dead. If I don't eat meat (I train a lot), I feel like hell...I've done keto, felt great for a little bit...but then you know...a little carbonara starts calling your name and that's basically the end of that. Maybe I don't understand your sentence well actually. Isn't everything we eat dead? I meant more 'dead energy' than 'meat ' . A lot of processed meat I would not want to eat , or 'who knows what donky camel mix, frozen and in storage for ??? . meaning, I see 'live good food' including meat as something like ; if I drive up the mountain to the plateau, I go past rich fertile fields with happy cows roaming around or basking under trees , or lapping up clear water in the creeks. All meat at the butcher there is local . That type of 'live ' food . What sort of training do you do ? Quote Surely plants have a type of consciousness we're not aware of (most of us anyway), mushrooms are also complex life forms that communicate with each other and other vegetation (as per Stamets). Grass sends out defence mechanism when is get chopped down. Un-vital food, for me means highly processed, lab created, chemical infused slop that we like to market as food but has such low nutritional value we have to add "nutrition' back into it. It's more of a food type substance. Yeah, thats the sort of thing I meant . Quote or maybe it shot out of their booty hole and their house is now on fire...ouch. hahaha ... are you sure you are not an old daobum in disguise here ? If not ... you must be a natural ! Quote Thanks for your responses, I appreciate the time you put in the thread, helped me out quite a bit...or a bite lol. Edited 39 minutes ago by Nungali Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
