Marketing and Magic

[Nungali]

15 hours ago, Lairg said:

 

Both the engine and transmission feel very ordinary

 

Okay ,   I  can understand that's what you feel . but its  curious you picked those two aspects first , as the car has a very good reliable  V6 2.5 Lt engine with plenty of power in the mid-range .   Its 20 years old and has never had an engine problem .  Only proper timed maintenance ;  timing belts and other components that naturally wear over decades .  

 

{ The Rover 75 with a 2.5-liter engine is powered by the KV6, a 24-valve, quad-cam V6 engine designed by Rover. This engine was also used in the Rover 800 before being refined for the 75. The 2.5-liter KV6 is known for its smoothness, refinement, and sporty performance when pushed, offering a good balance of power and a desirable V6 sound, especially when the car is in sport mode.}

 

The transmission is extraordinary . I have never experienced  a system like that  - automatic  with  a  automatic kick down through the gears  with high engine breaking . . .  limiting the need to hold the breaks on ;   slight pressure on the break pedal, auto kick down , high engine breaking, foot off the brake pedal .

 

My mechanic , who is ex- pit crew racing mechanic , even he was impressed with its breaking set up . 

 

So, the point is , and  I am wondering , what stimulus you received and where it was from that caused you to  form this opinion  ?  

 

 

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The car feels a bit depressed.  I would not buy it

 

The car feels depressed   ?   

 

Is that because it 'feels a bit blue '  ?

 

{  "Feeling blue" is an idiom that means feeling sad or melancholic. It's a common way to express a temporary state of low spirits or sadness, distinct from clinical depression. }  

Edited Sunday at 10:41 PM by Nungali

[Lairg]

The car is one of the bodies used by a nature spirit

 

 

[Nungali]

Is the car depressed  because its body is possessed by a nature spirit , or  for some other reason  ? 

 

 

 

 

[Lairg]

Years ago when I took the head off a Honda Civic, the nature spirit left.

 

When the head went back on the same nature spirit came back.  It seemed that the firing of the cylinders was the primary anchor.

 

Long ago as I carried home a boombox, I noticed it had a curled up nature spirit inside.   After I played some music I could see the nature spirit uncurling

 

 

 

 

[Nungali]

16 hours ago, Lairg said:

Years ago when I took the head off a Honda Civic, the nature spirit left.

 

When the head went back on the same nature spirit came back.  It seemed that the firing of the cylinders was the primary anchor.

 

Long ago as I carried home a boombox, I noticed it had a curled up nature spirit inside.   After I played some music I could see the nature spirit uncurling

 

 

 

 

 

One more question . 

 

When someone is conversing with you and asks simple polite questions ....

 

why don't you ever answer them but continually   divert  to  some 'cosmo-spiritual' ,  self-centered  narration  ?  

[Nungali]

So obviously that won;t get a clear answer either  , since you never give one . 

 

So I will answer it myself .... 

 

 

" I am 'magically marketing'    myself ."      

 

[Lairg]

As you see, motivation is a filter

 

 

[BigSkyDiamond]

48 minutes ago, Nungali said:

So obviously that won;t get a clear answer either  , since you never give one . 

 

50 minutes ago, Nungali said:

why don't you ever answer them but continually   divert  to  some 'cosmo-spiritual' ,  self-centered  narration  ?  

 

a. discuss the topic, not the individuals posting

b. the behavior of trying to bully, bait, goad, badger others  into response is not conducive to discussion

 

Edited Monday at 11:20 PM by BigSkyDiamond

[Nungali]

There is no discussion ... just 'certain dissertations'  

 

a)  Thats how I started  off 

b )  I didn't start off like that at all .    I started asking politely, I got obscure statements ,  I pointed that out  then I gave up . 

 

I do realize how you want to paint me here though . 

 

and by the way ... who are you to give commands ? 

[Paradoxal]

On 7/20/2025 at 5:33 PM, Apotheose said:

If a product’s value is exclusively (or majorly) influenced by the marketing campaign, there may be something fundamentally unethical behind it.

That's how the American economy works!

 

You don't need a good product if you have a large enough advertising and legal budget; that's how massive corps can pump out cheaply made shit for high prices and "outcompete" small businesses that actually make good stuff.

 

Just more reason to go French revolution, I suppose...

[Paradoxal]

17 hours ago, BigSkyDiamond said:

a. discuss the topic, not the individuals posting

b. the behavior of trying to bully, bait, goad, badger others  into response is not conducive to discussion

My take on it is that he's trying to get sincere thought and responses out of people in a playful way, though I could be wrong.

 

Either way, I don't see what he's doing as bad; when folks decline to check themselves for fallacy, as is so often the case, what is it but a kindness to point out their flaws?

[Nungali]

6 hours ago, Paradoxal said:

That's how the American economy works!

 

You don't need a good product if you have a large enough advertising and legal budget; that's how massive corps can pump out cheaply made shit for high prices and "outcompete" small businesses that actually make good stuff.

 

Just more reason to go French revolution, I suppose...

 

Careful .... I made a suggestion 100 times more mellow than that   and  someone wet their pants about it  !   - and  it wasn't even a supposition , I just asked what was wrong with the idea  of  warning people ( without hurting them )   that   were responsible for death of people and children, starting wars , overthrowing countries with a validly elected government and destroying other peoples environments by blowing the material possessions up . 

 

But you might be safe ... its probably just a private hate campaign against  me . . .   or my hard hitting logical and rational observations ?  

 

 

[Nungali]

6 hours ago, Paradoxal said:

My take on it is that he's trying to get sincere thought and responses out of people in a playful way, though I could be wrong.

 

You are not wrong , that's part of it . 

 

In some cases I would like ANY valid response  ...... but I need not explain it all as you seem perceptive    

 

 

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Either way, I don't see what he's doing as bad; when folks decline to check themselves for fallacy, as is so often the case, what is it but a kindness to point out their flaws?

 

Fallacy  ...   good word choice ;  

 

 

 

 

Don't miss from 5:10  onwards  !  ( that will get you grounded   ) 

 

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Edited 11 hours ago by Nungali

[Paradoxal]

7 hours ago, Nungali said:

I made a suggestion 100 times more mellow than that   and  someone wet their pants about it  !   - and  it wasn't even a supposition , I just asked what was wrong with the idea  of  warning people ( without hurting them )   that   were responsible for death of people and children, starting wars , overthrowing countries with a validly elected government and destroying other peoples environments by blowing the material possessions up . 

People don't like it when their worldview is challenged, but I think it's still important to discuss these sorts of things. I sometimes refrain when it's clear the other party won't consider my words at all, but still...😅

 

 

On the thread's topic, modern marketing / advertising is the calculated process of removing free will from a subset of the population via scientifically tested techniques, thus, I do not believe it to be a moral action; magickally speaking, the closest thing would be mass mind control. Nonetheless, as a business owner, if your competition is using these tactics, your chances of survival drop considerably if you don't use them as well. When you have other people, such as your family and employees, on the line as well, the line between right and wrong is then blurred.

 

Again, business is no different from warfare. If you wage war with weapons, your victims die quickly (ideally, most of the time), but if you conduct business, your victims die a slow and agonizing death. Both situations are still the responsibility of those up top.

[Nungali]

57 minutes ago, Paradoxal said:

People don't like it when their worldview is challenged, but I think it's still important to discuss these sorts of things. I sometimes refrain when it's clear the other party won't consider my words at all, but still...😅

 

 

On the thread's topic, modern marketing / advertising is the calculated process of removing free will from a subset of the population via scientifically tested techniques, thus, I do not believe it to be a moral action; magickally speaking, the closest thing would be mass mind control. Nonetheless, as a business owner, if your competition is using these tactics, your chances of survival drop considerably if you don't use them as well. When you have other people, such as your family and employees, on the line as well, the line between right and wrong is then blurred.

 

Again, business is no different from warfare. If you wage war with weapons, your victims die quickly (ideally, most of the time), but if you conduct business, your victims die a slow and agonizing death. Both situations are still the responsibility of those up top.

 

Morals and magic/k ... people hardly ever consider the two together . 

 

In the system I studied and practiced , one could not avoid the link .  But I feel its a bit rare nowadays ... bottom line seems to be  ' a quick way of getting things ' .  I noticed little ethical education in a few neo-pagan systems as well. This might have changed -  I haven't done that stuff for a while . 

 

I nearly wrote that religion has a high content of linking with morals .... but nowadays it seems involved with  'marketing'   as well and big business  .... in many cases religion seems to have devolved into the  'high - jacking'  of spirituality .