New Age Spiritual Sources - Good/Bad

[Paradoxal]

14 hours ago, Nungali said:

It already happened ; if we look at  ( certain definitions of ) intelligence ... intelligence itself developed so rapidly (or I should say, increased at an exponential rate so rapidly )  that it went beyond the capacity of the function of the human mind and

100%!

 

While I may grumble about how stupid so many people seem, the fact of the matter is that the average person now has access to way more information (and thus education) than even the most powerful people did a hundred years ago. The unfortunate side is that the time to use and absorb that information is not given to them yet, but I imagine AI might resolve that issue soon enough, much to certain peoples' chagrin...🙃

[Nungali]

stupid can exist within an ocean of information access ... even within an ocean of information incorporation. 

 

Its what you  DO with the info that makes you intelligent or stupid  .   'Learning how to learn ' ... as the Sufi;s used to say .

[johndoe2012]

The path is personal, don't copy anyone else, just do what you feel like doing at any moment. 

 

If you don't want to suppress the human part of you, why do it to please an external tradition? 

 

Even being part of a group you are an individual, don't suppress that part to feel accepted. 

[BigSkyDiamond]

On 4/18/2025 at 9:51 PM, Lairg said:

All teachers and all practices need to be tested.

For example:  visualize a particular teacher then put yourself in front of him/her.  What happens to your heart?

 

That is a very sensible approach.  It is good common sense and practical.

I also like to ask myself questions such as  "Does this system (or teacher) have my best interests at heart"  "Do i trust this teacher (or group)."   

 

For me it is also helpful to ask myself "what appeals to me about this group"  "what is my motivation in wanting to study this path" "or study with this person" and that can  help me identify sticky intentions or red flag motives on my part.  Am i going there to try and please someone, to impress someone, for the glamor or cachet it gives?  Am I throwing money at a teacher or training because of the misguided notion that means it is better?

 

 

Edited June 13 by BigSkyDiamond

[Apotheose]

On 18/04/2025 at 11:51 PM, Turnip said:

There are many new healing energies and practices descending down to Earth at this time it seems. Systems, lineages, sources coming out of the shadows that were on Earth for a long time, and entirely new things being channeled through supposedly divine beings.

 

The reasoning being that we are at a kind of bottleneck emergency situation. Like, we need to deal with our shit, it’s now or never, so we’re getting more help with it. The planetary consciousness is quickening. 
 

At the same time, what could also be happening, is we’ve fucked shit up to such a grotesque degree (specifically regarding the environment, climate change, nuclear weapons, etc) that we’ve created a sort of portal of karmic access for predatory beings to kind of finish us off so to speak. An ecological balancing, natural selection. 
 

Maybe both are probably going on. There could be beings that want us to go extinct and destroy ourselves (which isn’t necessarily a bad thing, it could be in a weird way for our best interest, considering how much harm we cause ourselves, animals, and the Earth), and other beings that want us to survive and continue to evolve and grow. 
 

Which brings me to the practical question of, what should we think of these new things coming through? Many people would say that straying from the on-ground lineages of human teachers is dangerous, and would recommend against seemingly easier paths or shortcuts that don’t require the long dirty work that those in the past had to put in. Especially when unknown “divine” sources are supposedly involved. It could also be the case that certain practices and paths could be beneficial for the short term wellbeing of the collective, but for the deep long term growth of an individual soul, not so much. On the other hand, it does seem like stuff is really coming to the surface, people want to deal with it, shit is really picking up, and the older practices are just not high octane and intelligent enough to keep up with what is needed to actualize and integrate the emerging explosion of unconscious energies and repressed complexes that are supposedly destined to be the flood and the flooded that defines the Age of Aquarius.

 

Thoughts?

Very interesting topic.

 

I’d like to point out three things:

 

Firstly, there are indeed outdated practices. There are stories of Yogis who refused to teach ancient methods because they would not suit the modern consciousness.

Ancient Initiations and methods were way rougher, because the human heart was rock solid and the mind was devoid of empathy and kindness and, thus, needed to be shaken and shattered for it to be freed from inertia. Such practices today would lead to a disproportional (as they say…)  “awakening”, which would produce exaggerated emotional response. The practitioner would “feel the pain of the entire world” and would become paralyzed and (ironically) inert.

 

Another thing that I feel needs to be discussed is the human natural sense of importance. Every generation thinks the world is falling apart because of them, when, in reality, things in the last centuries have become more civilized than before. A person who watches the news will of course focus on the negative and therefore think the “Apocalypse” is coming soon, and they will not notice that humans don’t fight for basic needs such as food and land as often as they did centuries ago. Things have changed for the better because of karma and statistics.

 

Lastly, we need to get rid of the (not) “mystical” idea of outsourcing human accountability. No “entity” will come to save us or finish us off; we are solely responsible for our own actions. The idea of a Multiverse may be coherent in a few traditions, but in the majority of cases it’s used (consciously or unconsciously) to justify our own mistakes.

This phenomenon can be observed in Christianity, for example. Many people long for a second coming of Jesus so that He can “wipe away” their sins. Well, again??! He has already come and edified a new man over Adam. The second coming means Reintegration, not a higher being coming again to wipe out human errors. Accountability is one of the most important aspects of the mystical path.

 

However, although I stated the world changed for the better (as it really did), I agree with you that, in times of emergency, the Cosmos acts in incomprehensible manners. I doubt that, for example, in an imminence of nuclear war which could erase human life from the Earth, a strong new wave of esoteric practices/groups/acts wouldn’t emerge out of thin air.

Edited Thursday at 02:54 AM by Apotheose

[Lairg]

19 minutes ago, Apotheose said:

Many people long for a second coming of Jesus so that He can “wipe away” their sins.

 

As far as I have read, the concept of free will occurs later than the commonly accepted date of Christianity.  That of course has an effect on their religious teachings.

 

If Earth humans have free will then it is likely they are expected to use it - rather than praying/begging some god to rescue them.

 

If Earth humans have free will, there is likely to be some objective for such an awkward allocation.  Consider the difficulties that Anunnaki had in managing their slave humans.  They finished breeding a ruling class to manage on their behalf

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Lairg]

25 minutes ago, Apotheose said:

I doubt that, for example, in an imminence of nuclear war which could erase human life from the Earth,

 

 

Recently we have been frightened by the Hong Kong flu, AIDS, SARS, Swine flu, Covid and various lesser pandemics.  Now WHO wants nations to agree to handing over powers to them - so that they can lock down populations as required

 

Nuclear war is the  latest scare - just as it was in the 1950s.

 

Unfortunately humans are getting harder to scare.  Perhaps free will is becoming a stronger quality

 

 

[Nungali]

3 hours ago, Lairg said:

 

As far as I have read, the concept of free will occurs later than the commonly accepted date of Christianity.  That of course has an effect on their religious teachings.

 

Here is another course ... that might have an effect  on what one thinks in relation to what they have read ;

 

https://study.com/academy/lesson/ancient-greek-philosophy-on-free-will.html#:~:text=The ancient Greeks viewed free,pursuit of Forms or Ideas.

 

But generally most would realize the concept of free will  was well established in Zoroastrianism . . . being  the classic religious example of  'choice duality' .      And, if one cares to study it ( Zoroastrianism) they will find a plethora of   religious concepts they might hold have their origin within that tradition . 

 

And its all neatly explained there  as well . 

 

 

3 hours ago, Lairg said:

 

If Earth humans have free will then it is likely they are expected to use it - rather than praying/begging some god to rescue them.

 

The use of it does seem 'likely' but I don't see why this has to be 'rather'   than praying .... and why does praying necessarily link with begging ?   If asking is seen as begging , still, there are a lot more other forms of prayer than 'begging ' . 

 

Your roots are showing again.     

 

3 hours ago, Lairg said:

 

If Earth humans have free will, there is likely to be some objective for such an awkward allocation.  Consider the difficulties that Anunnaki had in managing their slave humans.  They finished breeding a ruling class to manage on their behalf