Is God love?

[Lairg]

1 hour ago, Haribol said:

The term godhead/hood

 

The term "godhead" was introduced by Christian mystics.  It seems that the concept "God" did not relate well to their experiences.

 

 

Edited January 5 by Lairg

[Haribol]

4 hours ago, Lairg said:

 

The term "godhead" was introduced by Christian mystics.  It seems that the concept "God" did not relate well to their experiences.

 

 

How so? 

[Lairg]

The term "God" is very modern.  If I recall correctly the first translation of the Bible to use that term is the King James version - about 1610.

 

Prior to that Deus was used - from Latin - that seems to come from Sanskrit,  meaning "shining" and "celestial".  

 

And of course there are various ancient accounts of the gods in their shining craft.

 

The standard human format, when properly controlled, refined, aligned and intentional, has direct awareness of The Source of All.  Thus the standard human format is connected both to Existence and to pre-Existence.

 

The  mystics, perceiving their own unity with The Source of All, needed a concept that reached before the heavens existed - but that was not too offensive to the Holy Inquisition. 

 

 

Edited January 6 by Lairg

[Cadcam]

I used to think God loved the human race,  and wanted us for company; to experience itself through interacting with us.

 

Then I concluded it's more for entertainment that we are kept around, for why would an infinite immortal being love such short lived and untested creatures.  Since God seems to be indifferent to suffering, it makes sense that we are disposable. 

 

Lately I'm realizing that there may be no reason, or every reason- for our continued existence.  I've thought before that humans aren't the primary life forms. That some other lifeform is more important. Perhaps we are just here to fertilize the earth to be turned into resources?  

 

God doesnt typically answer when called upon, and God is not in plain sight, and so there must be a reason for that.

[Haribol]

59 minutes ago, Cadcam said:

I used to think God loved the human race,  and wanted us for company; to experience itself through interacting with us.

 

Then I concluded it's more for entertainment that we are kept around, for why would an infinite immortal being love such short lived and untested creatures.  Since God seems to be indifferent to suffering, it makes sense that we are disposable. 

 

Lately I'm realizing that there may be no reason, or every reason- for our continued existence.  I've thought before that humans aren't the primary life forms. That some other lifeform is more important. Perhaps we are just here to fertilize the earth to be turned into resources?  

 

God doesnt typically answer when called upon, and God is not in plain sight, and so there must be a reason for that.

Not sure how relevant this is, but I hope it helps. You familiar with the concept of synchronicity, I think. If not, quick google search will help you out. 
 

Reason I bring this up, is that I’ve come to think about it as a sort of… not exactly reward/punishment system, nor feedback mechanism, but rather as a pointer. Messages from «above» (I guess) that tells me «do more/less of this». I feel like a d saying this, but once I helped this kid out without expecting anything at all, just pure compassion. Not trying to paint myself as a saint, but point is, then the magic kicked in. Suddenly, loads of helpful people came into my life. From that I conclude selfless service is something I should do more of. 
 

Likewise, the kinder I am, the kinder people come into my life. I do not think this is as simple as people beikg kinder to kind people. That’s of course an aspect of it, but not all, I think. If I hang around a certain person, and curious stuff happen, I think that is a message from God (if you will, I try to avoid that term), to keep hanging out with that person.

 

Likewise, if a topic keeps popping up, as Buddhism has for me recently, I think I should look into it.

 

There seems to be a rhyme and reason to this thing we call life. Feel me? 

[Lairg]

There is a common view that:  Our god is a god of love.

 

It may be more accurate to say:  Our god is a god of right relationship.

 

Right relationship is a lot broader than love.  It may include allowing humans to learn by doing

Edited January 14 by Lairg

[Cadcam]

I think life exists to keep God entertained,  and to give God bodies to feel and experience itself. We're like pets. I don't know how much any of us individually matter.

[old3bob]

 

I'd say it's a lot easier to think of "God" as Source beyond the powers of the mind to wrap its head around with this or that human projection,  including our various meanings for Love... but we can also use some generic handles aka concepts and better yet more personal examples/experiences to get the process rolling.

 

For instance: ask yourself how often has "God", Spirit or the "still small voice" of your inner self saved your ass?

 

 

Edited January 20 by old3bob

[Lairg]

2 hours ago, Cadcam said:

I think life exists to keep God entertained,  and to give God bodies to feel and experience itself. We're like pets. I don't know how much any of us individually matter.

 

The human is similar.  Of the trillion intelligences within the standard human format, very few are valued by the human awareness.  Nevertheless the collective is valued.

 

 

[Cadcam]

God should be nothing but mercy. Humans are finite and short sighted,  and we can't possibly fathom what God is like- being infinitely immortal and potentially all powerful. It wo I ld be difficult to imagine that a god of unheard wisdom could be offended by a mortal.

[Lairg]

2 hours ago, Cadcam said:

be difficult to imagine that a god of unheard wisdom could be offended by a mortal.

 

These days some Christian theologies tell us that humans are co-creators with "God".  If that is the case the intelligence named "God" might have some strong views about the functioning of co-creators

 

 

[Haribol]

19 hours ago, Lairg said:

 

These days some Christian theologies tell us that humans are co-creators with "God".  If that is the case the intelligence named "God" might have some strong views about the functioning of co-creators

 

 

Seems to me we are co creators. Christian doctrine, as is referred to here, does after all teach that we are made in the image of god and the divine resides inside us (the trinity). The Christ said something along the lines that his followers would do greater miracles than himself, no?

 

but to agree with @Cadcam, any significantly more powerful being ( god the father vs man)  should have more understanding and patience towards less advanced beings, just as we should have to the animals kingdom, I think. As long as we thread those «below us» with patience and understanding, I believe those «above us» will do the same. We are all equal.

[Cadcam]

Nearly 25 years ago, back in 2000, I was provoked into contemplating what is good. I thought "love is good" and this presence entered my body and used my hand to draw out a symbol. 

 

I read a book that said when you receive a symbol, you should dismantle it into parts, which I did. As I did this, that picture of the al quida woman from the cover of national geographic flashed in my mind. I started to astral travel the earth, and saw places. As I did this, I started thinking about what I believed.  Ten years prior, when I was struggling with life, I had decided I believed in God, and that God was love. I believed God made the world,  and then took a fatal error and declared that the world was love. As I was astral traveling, looking at the earth and remembering what I chose to believe about the world,  I realized that there were people without medicine or food or water. For the first time in my life I suddenly became aware that there was real suffering in the world, and I cried out "you're not the god of love!" "Give me the power to bring love here!" And just as the last word fell from my lips, a booming voice that seemed to come from all corners spoke in a language I did not know. I immediately cried "who's there?" But was met with silence. 

[Cadcam]

A couple of weeks later I was meditating and thinking about order. I thought "i am of an Order, the world is Order..." then the thought "no! Its all chaos!" And then I saw in my mind a blue jewel. Then a star appeared over the jewel and cracked it open. I saw an angel and heard "chessed, chessed" then, a terrible grinding sound in my right ear, and incredible pain in my groin and head. I was suddenly in front of a throne and the being on it said "I am the sephiroth  I am all that is". 

 

Ever since then, 25 years ago, I've been plagued by hallucinations. 

[Nungali]

 

Full circle .   ^ This is how you started off here .

[Haribol]

8 minutes ago, Nungali said:

 

Full circle .   ^ This is how you started off here .

Atleast we out of the matrix 😁 what is next, pyramid?

[Nungali]

Next ? Another lap of the circuit I suppose .

[Haribol]

Just now, Nungali said:

Next ? Another lap of the circuit I suppose .

What’s next for me, is middle pillar. Time

to get that spiritual discipline going.

[Nungali]

7 minutes ago, Haribol said:

What’s next for me, is middle pillar. Time

to get that spiritual discipline going.

 

? 

 

 

[Haribol]

1 hour ago, Nungali said:

 

? 

 

 

To be honest with you, I already feel I’ve been cruified. I was more thinking balancing the feminine, intuitive, emotional water stuff with the masculine FIRE and discipline.

[Lairg]

1 hour ago, Haribol said:

I was more thinking balancing the feminine, intuitive, emotional water stuff with the masculine FIRE and discipline.

 

It is good to have several modes of operation. 

 

Are there modes beyond male and female? 

 

What modes might a co-creator use?

 

 

 

[Haribol]

1 hour ago, Lairg said:

 

It is good to have several modes of operation. 

 

Are there modes beyond male and female? 

 

What modes might a co-creator use?

 

 

 

These are questions I’m unable to answer. Do you have any suggestions?

[Nungali]

4 hours ago, Haribol said:

To be honest with you, I already feel I’ve been cruified. I was more thinking balancing the feminine, intuitive, emotional water stuff with the masculine FIRE and discipline.

 

May s/he be with you in that  ; 

 

Edited 10 hours ago by Nungali

[Nungali]

1 hour ago, Haribol said:

These are questions I’m unable to answer. Do you have any suggestions?

 

[Lairg]

2 hours ago, Haribol said:

Do you have any suggestions?

 

The issue occurs on several levels.

 

On the densest level, it seems that humanoid life outside this planet is male, female and genderless. 

 

Many genderless forms are produced in incubation systems and can be semi-biological - an upmarket form of Artificial Intelligence.  Other genderless forms may be cloned - for example when the incarnating spirit needs to replace its existing body.

 

The gender-fluidity propounded over the last decade may have been to prepare Earth humanity for being managed by genderless forms.

 

The standard format Earth human, at spiritual/transpersonal levels has no need of gender but may progress  over vast periods through right intelligence, right relationship, right intent, and perhaps: right transaction.  Currently this galaxy is largely focused on right relationship - hence the somewhat narrow saying:  our god is a god of love.

 

The standard human seems to be an anchoring of a structure of much greater beings, loosely labelled as Higher Self.

 

The Higher Self may have many parallel anchors across species, galaxies and timelines.

 

The anchors may function in various modes across the out-breath and in-breath of The Source of All - transcending human concepts of good and evil.

 

Edited 9 hours ago by Lairg