Where are the High Level Martial Artists/Fighters at?

[Nungali]

5 hours ago, Paradoxal said:

Agreed, but on the flip side, I'd say that it's very important for a martial artist to know when they've had this mercy given.

 

One of the places I practice usually ends the night with a "playful" randoori, where we are explicitly told not to injure and to "gracefully lose". Basically, know when it's time to back off and don't injure or get injured. 

 

A running issue there is that people don't realize that something could have knocked out or killed them *because* of holding back... lots of shots to the neck, throat, back of the head, ears, etc. that people just disregard because they've never felt what it actually does when force it put into it.

 

 

I didn't mind loosing at all at times ..... one needs to  learn what works  ..... and what doesn't work . 

[Paradoxal]

10 hours ago, Nungali said:

Even worse ...   ( but hit got better    )    Avi ... a training partner  ; after a while I was frustrated with his 'delicacy'  . 

I'm guilty of this actually...

A lot of the guys I practice with here in Japan don't do body or fist conditioning (and I give them shit for it), but that means that me giving as little power as possible still causes them a decent amount of pain; I had a guy who runs his own dojo tell me he thought I was going to break his fingers when I literally just grabbed them, no locks or anything. 

So I've gotten in the habit of just not putting any power in my shots lately to prevent injury, but one guy I spar with does the opposite. Out of habit, I only lightly tag him, but he goes 70% with me (and I should be doing that to him as well), which never ends well for me. At least it shows me where I can improve, though! 

[Nungali]

Its very important for self defense . No matter how much training you do , if people have been 'allowing'  your technique in practice ... it might not work in a real situation .  

 

Especially so  in  defense against weapons , like a knife .  Yeah, do this, do that, move here and there , it's all 'interesting dynamics' in training .  In a real situation ..... grab a chair or something similar   you can put between you and the knife . 

 

That was the worst  thing my past 'instructor' would do   ( I had to get out of there , he was really crap at some stuff and taught people crazy and dangerous stuff 'theory '  that never got tested  ..... until I came along .  Thank goodness for him we only ever trained with a rubber or wooden knife  !   He eventually  dropped a few of his taught techniques  after those lessons . 

 

-  a 'knife guy' will not thrust and leave his arm out there after you 'block' it and wait for the rest of some fancy technique .  he will instantly draw the thrust back and slice your arm open with the  blade on the way back 

 

besides , how ya gonna 'block '  this  :  . 

 

 

 

[Sanity Check]

Do martial artists train athleticism?
 

What are good strength and cardio conditioning methods for martial arts?

[Master Logray]

14 hours ago, Nungali said:

Its very important for self defense . No matter how much training you do , if people have been 'allowing'  your technique in practice ... it might not work in a real situation .  

 

Especially so  in  defense against weapons , like a knife .  Yeah, do this, do that, move here and there , it's all 'interesting dynamics' in training .  In a real situation ..... grab a chair or something similar   you can put between you and the knife . 

 

That was the worst  thing my past 'instructor' would do   ( I had to get out of there , he was really crap at some stuff and taught people crazy and dangerous stuff 'theory '  that never got tested  ..... until I came along .  Thank goodness for him we only ever trained with a rubber or wooden knife  !   He eventually  dropped a few of his taught techniques  after those lessons . 

 

-  a 'knife guy' will not thrust and leave his arm out there after you 'block' it and wait for the rest of some fancy technique .  he will instantly draw the thrust back and slice your arm open with the  blade on the way back 

 

besides , how ya gonna 'block '  this  :  . 

 

 

 

 

In real life situation, there could be no lights, loud noise, glass on the floor, a few against one, bystander who may or may not be enemy, everything that can be thrown at you .... in addition to knives.   Most martial arts cannot handle such and never trained for such.   And theoretically, the use of the term self defense is to avoid trouble.  In real life, the only chance to survive could be full scale surprise attack first.   But one may have to end up in jail.  So those trainings are useful but not justified to your whole life in perfecting them.   

 

 

[Paradoxal]

6 hours ago, Sanity Check said:

Do martial artists train athleticism?

Any martial artist worth a damn does. Technically speaking, technique can allow you to outfight someone physically superior, but you're gonna want any edge you can get in a fight and technique alone will only take ya so far.

 

6 hours ago, Sanity Check said:

What are good strength and cardio conditioning methods for martial arts?

Depends on the primary strategy you use, your bodytype, your age, your gender, and a number of other factors. 

 

1 hour ago, Master Logray said:

In real life situation, there could be no lights, loud noise, glass on the floor, a few against one, bystander who may or may not be enemy, everything that can be thrown at you .... in addition to knives

The way I was taught is to assume whoever you're fighting is more skilled than you, armed to the teeth, and willing to die to take you down.

Naturally, that usually isn't the case, but if you assume they have knives and/or guns then that changes how you train and how you fight.

 

[Nungali]

7 hours ago, Master Logray said:

 

In real life situation, there could be no lights, loud noise, glass on the floor, a few against one, bystander who may or may not be enemy, everything that can be thrown at you .... in addition to knives.   Most martial arts cannot handle such and never trained for such. 

 

True... for ' most ' ... but I taught them . 

 

one example ; my garden hose was coiled over our grass training area at my place , one of the guys offered to move it before we began ; "No, leave it there . "  Also training outdoors is a BIG difference .

 

But even then one should 'mix it up'   .   the Saturday class was in town by the river . Once I got them to go through a pattern NOT facing the river ( which was usual ) and some  got mixed up and confused !   An interesting lesson .  

 

My secret weapon   

Spoiler

'front door security '  ; 

 

I have a few 'pet' birds that are used to being fed , they usually hang out in the trees above the door , they have become experrts at swoop and catch mid air , to the point that they will swoop and  go in the direction I move my hand and point . 

 

I did to towards a head of an  annoying person at the door once  ... they panicked, which made the birds panic, they ran  with the birds fluttering around them  .... plus the benefit of being 'spooked' as well  ... they won't be back !  

 

 

7 hours ago, Master Logray said:

 

 

 And theoretically, the use of the term self defense is to avoid trouble.  In real life, the only chance to survive could be full scale surprise attack first.   But one may have to end up in jail.  So those trainings are useful but not justified to your whole life in perfecting them.   

 

 

 

No one thing is so justifiable .

[Sanity Check]

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