The next major advancement in Christianity

[Nungali]

3 hours ago, Sanity Check said:

 

 

Bible history goes something like this.

 

1.  God offers people wise counsel

2.  People reject wise counsel and make poor choices

3.  People beg God to save them from results of their poor choices

4.  God saves them from their poor choices

5.  People return to making poor choices once again

6.  God saves them from their poor choices

7.  People return to making poor choices

8.  God saves them from their poor choices

 

Think about how pointless that process is.

 

It is indeed pointless   IF you see it that way .  I dont see the  Bible story like your point for point  summary .

 

Regardless tugh we get to the same conclusions  - see below .

 

 

3 hours ago, Sanity Check said:

 

Jesus is the way, the truth and the life.

 

Those who make poor choices often do so making choices based on lies and inaccuracy.

 

While those who make good choices base more on truth & fact.

 

See my thread  on an analysis of Bible 'history '  ;

 

 

3 hours ago, Sanity Check said:

 

Love of truth & fact. Seeking truth and acquiring knowledge could be more integral to the christian faith than most realize.

 

It used to be !  Many Christians  scholars studied hermetics and Neo-Palatonism  and infused Christian philosophy ad theology with it .

The advent of modern science put an end to that . Now, well their cosmology is exceptionally lacking ; eg. look at the vast expanse f vedic and Buddhist cosmology and various states of consciousness and then compare it to the Christian .

 

It is integral to the Baha'i religion 'independent investigation of truth is a key point of belief . You cant even become a Baha'i just because your family is. You have to wait until you are 15 and they want to see that you have looked into other religions and done a bit of comparative religious studies , then if they choose  to become a Baha'i  they can make a formal declaration of their faith .  Its perfectly acceptable if they choose another religion  .

 

 

3 hours ago, Sanity Check said:

 

The path to redemption could be defined by making better choices, a process relying upon furthering truth and knowledge.

 

It is possible a person who is a christian should have some of this reflected in how they live their life.

 

It may not merely be faith in Christ.

 

Over time they should learn, gather facts / knowledge and make better life choices as a result.

 

In this way they might be redeemed.

 

So I think anyways.

 

 

I think that is a good wholesome and sensible thought .

[Sanity Check]

 

17 hours ago, Nungali said:

 

 

 

See my thread  on an analysis of Bible 'history '  ;

 

 

 

 

Interesting.

 

What are your thoughts on things like the dead sea scrolls.

 

Would be the kneejerk reaction.

[Sanity Check]

On 8/20/2024 at 2:50 PM, Sanity Check said:

 

Walmart enjoyed some success cutting middle men from their supply chains.

 

Perhaps organized religion can enjoy similar success by following a similar strategy.

 

Believers cease listening to priest and prophet middle men.

 

Individuals become their own priests and prophets.

 

Perhaps this is the way God desired it from the beginning.

 

 

 

 

This has been on my mind for years.

 

Bumping this, in case anyone would like to offer feedback.

[Thrice Daily]

I only watched a little on tele 

 

I'm getting a good vibe from the new pope for some reason or another

 

i’m still on my journey to perhaps become Catholic 

[stirling]

12 hours ago, Sanity Check said:

This has been on my mind for years.

 

Bumping this, in case anyone would like to offer feedback.

 

Religions in general are most often created by mystics. A mystic has a first hand experience of the "deeper reality". They are compelled to share that experience,  and people around them begin to write it down, sharing it as a story. Unfortunately mystical experience is nearly impossible to impart in language, and the new story of the experience and realizations is slightly corrupted in the retelling. People mistakenly believe that by emulating the story of the mystic, sometimes painstakingly imitating every detail, they themselves will become "enlightened" about the nature of reality. Organizations form (monastics), and rules are formulated by the (mostly) unenlightened followers - the mystical understanding is further and further diluted by those that think that the story of the experiential events are an instruction manual without understanding that:

 

True, transformational mystical insight is NOT precipitated by practices of any kind.

 

All of the overhead of interpretation and retelling of the mystics story should be minimized in my opinion. The emphasis should ALWAYS be on personal experience and transformation. Does the practitioner find that the practices are transformative in a way that can be qualified experientially? THAT is what matters. 

 

This is just MY opinion.

[Nungali]

16 hours ago, Sanity Check said:

 

 

 

This has been on my mind for years.

 

Bumping this, in case anyone would like to offer feedback.

 

The basic premise behind Krishnamurti , Rajneesh / Osho   ( as a guru both taught you don't need a guru    )  and types of gnosticism ... IE, 'direct gnosis' not requiring a priestly medium between you and God .