Why light in Buddhist scriptures disappear

[awaken]

西方人把這種『不二崇拜』搞成一種『認知遊戲』

似乎只要在觀念上知道了『自我的遊戲』，就自認為可以達到『不二狀態』

 

但是不管是博伽梵歌或是佛經，共通的語言都講到了禪定

 

而佛經更是非常嚴格的定義了禪定的內容

 

我這篇主題就是告訴各位，光在禪定當中是必經的過程，一定要出現的現象

 

如果沒有光，就不可能達到禪定，頂多只能達到初禪

 

因為二禪的特色之一就是光

 

 

Westerners turn this "worship of non-duality" into a "cognitive game"

It seems that as long as you know the "play of the self" conceptually, you will think that you can achieve the "non-duality state"

But whether it is Bhagavad-gita or Buddhist scriptures, the common language speaks of Samadhi

The Buddhist scriptures define the content of Samadhi very strictly.

My theme in this article is to tell you that light is a necessary process in Samadhi, and a phenomenon that must appear.

If there is no light, it is impossible to achieve jhāna, at most only the first jhāna

Because one of the characteristics of the second jhāna is light

 

光的產生是一種無法自欺欺人的現象

當你承認了光是二禪的一個基本特徵的時候

你就無可避免的必須承認沒有光的自己，連二禪的程度都沒有

這當然是對『自我感』的一個重大打擊

 

The production of light is a phenomenon that cannot be deceived

When you admit that light is an essential feature of the second jhana

You will inevitably have to admit that you have no light, not even the level of second jhana.

This is of course a major blow to the "sense of self"

Edited June 8, 2022 by awaken

[awaken]

那麼在無解礙道這本書上面有沒有類似博伽梵歌所描述的『不二狀態』呢？

 

我能找到最接近的描述就是『智』

總共有７３種智

 

 

So is there a "non-duality state" similar to that described in Bhagavad-gita in the book of Paṭisambhidā-magga?

The closest description I can find is "wisdom"

There are a total of 73 kinds of wisdom

 

 

本母(綱目)
　1.在傾聽上的慧為聞所成智(在聞所成上之智)。
　2.聽聞後在自制上的慧為戒所成智。
　3.自制後在定上的慧為定修習所成智。
　4.在緣攝受(緣的掌握)上的慧為法住智。
　5.對過去、未來、現在諸法簡約後在區別(界定)上的慧為思惟智(觸知智)。
　6.對現在諸法在變易隨觀上的慧為生滅隨觀智。
　7.省察所緣後在壞滅隨觀上的慧為毘婆舍那智。
　8.在怖畏現起上的慧為過患智。
　9.欲脫離狀態的省察住立慧為行捨智。
　10.外部在上升出來轉回上的慧為種姓智。
　11.[內外]兩者在上升出來轉回上的慧為道智。
　12.努力的安息慧為果智。
　13.在已切斷路徑隨觀上的慧為解脫智。
　14.在已得到諸法那時看見的慧為觀察智。
　15.在自身內區別(界定)上的慧為種種事智。
　16.在自身外區別上的慧為種種行境智。
　17.在行為區別上的慧為種種行為智。
　18.在四法區別上的慧為種種地(階位)智。
　19.在九法區別上的慧為種種法智。
　20.證知慧為知義智。
　21.遍知慧為衡量義智。
　22.捨斷慧為遍捨義智。
　23.修習慧為一味義智。
　24.作證慧為觸達義智。
　25.在種種義上的慧為義無礙解智。
　26.在種種法上的慧為法無礙解智。
　27.在種種詞上的慧為詞無礙解智。
　28.在種種辯才上的慧為辯才無礙解智。
　29.在種種住上的慧為住義智。
　30.在種種等至上的慧為等至義智。
　31.在種種住處等至上的慧為住處等至義智。
　32.以不散亂清淨性在煩惱斷絕上的慧為無間定智。
　33.看見增上與寂靜住處的到達之勝妙勝解狀態的慧為無諍住處智。
　34.具備二種力、三種行的安息、十六種智的行為、九種定的行為而成為自在狀態的慧為滅等至智。
　35.正知者在流轉永盡上的慧為般涅槃智。
　36.對一切法在完全斷絕與滅上不現起狀態的慧為齊頭者義智。
　37.在分離、種種火永盡上的慧為削減義智。
　38.在不退縮、自我努力、努力義上的慧為活力的激發智。
　39.種種法說明的慧為義理開示智。
　40.在一切法的一攝性、種種、單一之貫通上的慧為看見清淨智。
　41.已知道狀態的慧為接受智。
　42.觸達狀態的慧為深解智。
　43.在集合上的慧為部分住智。
　44.增上狀態的慧為想的轉回智。
　45.在種種性上的慧為意向的轉回智。
　46.在確立上的慧為心的轉回智。
　47.在空上的慧為智的轉回智。
　48.在捨棄上的慧為解脫的轉回智。
　49.在真實義上的慧為諦的轉回智。
　50.身心被單一區別(界定)狀態及樂想與輕想因確立而在成功義上的慧為神通種類智。
　51.因尋的遍滿而對種種及單一聲相在深解上的慧為耳界清淨智。
　52.因三心的遍滿狀態及諸根的明淨而在種種及單一識的行為深解上的慧為他心智。
　53.因對緣的流轉法種種及單一業遍滿而在深解上的慧為前世住處回憶智。
　54.因光明而對種種及單一色相在看見義上的慧為天眼智。
　55.以六十四種行相對三根成為自在狀態的慧為煩惱的滅盡智。
　56.在遍知義上的慧為苦智。
　57.在捨斷義上的慧為集智。
　58.在作證義上的慧為滅智。
　59.在修習義上的慧為道智。
　60.苦智。
　61.苦集智。
　62.苦滅智。
　63.導向苦滅道跡智。
　64.義無礙解智。
　65.法無礙解智。
　66.詞無礙解智。
　67.辯才無礙解智。
　68.根之優劣狀態智。
　69.眾生的所依與煩惱潛在趨勢智。
　70.雙神變智。
　71.大悲等至智。
　72.一切知者智。
　73.無障礙智。
　　這些為七十三智，這七十三智中的六十七智為與聲聞共智，六智為與聲聞不共智。
　　本母終了。

 

https://store.pariyatti.org/Path-of-Discrimination-2nd-Edition_p_2126.html

 

sorry that I can not find a free English version

 

The wisdoms in the book of Paṭisambhidā-magga is very close to what people talked about in other topic.

 

 

Edited June 8, 2022 by awaken

[Cheshire Cat]

1 hour ago, awaken said:

First, very few people can reach the immortal stage and know where this big mouth comes from

Second, if you don't know the origin of the real person(immortal) with big mouth, you naturally don't know the order of reaching the real person with big mouth.

So a bunch of misunderstandings arose

 

Why it's called the "immortal stage"?  Is it a reference to the vision of an immortal sage or is it a spiritual realization linked to eternal life? 

Edited June 8, 2022 by Cheshire Cat

[awaken]

1 minute ago, Cheshire Cat said:

 

Why it's called the "immortal stage"?  Is it a reference to the vision of an immortal sage or is it a spiritual realization linked to eternal life? 

 

你是要文字上的解釋？

還是你自己要練到？

如果是你自己要練到，那你就來寫日記跟著我一起練

如果你是要文字上的解釋，那你得更詳細的描述你的問題，因為我看不懂你的問題的英文

 

Do you want a literal explanation?

Or do you want to reach it yourself?

If you want to reach it yourself, then you have to write a diary and cultivate with me

If you just want a literal explanation, then you have to describe your problem in more detail, because I can't understand the English of your question

[Cheshire Cat]

6 minutes ago, awaken said:

Do you want a literal explanation?

Or do you want to reach it yourself?

If you want to reach it yourself, then you have to write a diary and cultivate with me

 

Ok, I have the impression that you have reached very profound levels with meditation. 

I regret that this language barrier exists, but we can try to overcome it. 

Thank you for the opportunity. 

[awaken]

13 hours ago, Cheshire Cat said:

 

Ok, I have the impression that you have reached very profound levels with meditation. 

I regret that this language barrier exists, but we can try to overcome it. 

Thank you for the opportunity. 

 

所以你是要問問題？還是要練到這個地方？

So you are asking a question? Or do you want to cultivate to reach this place ?

[awaken]

『不二』在修行上的應用，並非是一種狀態的描述，而是一種過程的態度

而這個態度的使用主要是在第二禪定要升級到第三禪定的時候才能發揮最大的力量

因為自我意識最後的解開是在這個關鍵處

因此主要的使用時機是在這個時候

並非在表層意識存在的時候使用

 

因為第二禪定的時候，自我意識已經被光牢牢吸引，而且雜念已經消失了

這個狀態只剩下心的最後兩種力量，加強或者壓制

因此『不二』就是不讓心落於這兩種力量，而能處於單純的覺觀狀態

這樣才能使身心脫落，順利進入第三禪定

 

而第二禪定的狀態就是光，因此『不二』的使用時機是在有光的狀態下

當完全掌握『不二』的時候，烏肝光會打開心竅，產生不同於表層意識的另外一種深度覺知

這種深度覺知就會開始產生兔髓光

 

因此當兔髓光產生的時候，就知道沒有走錯路了

反之如果一直沒有兔髓光產生，卻產生了很多影像幻境，那就是走錯路了

 

 

The application of "non-duality" in cultivation is not a description of a state, but an attitude of process of cultivation

And the use of this attitude is mainly when the second jhāna has to be upgraded to the third jhāna to exert its greatest power.

Because the final unraveling of self-consciousness is at this juncture

So the main use time is at this time

not used in the presence of surface consciousness

Because in the second meditation, the self-consciousness has been firmly attracted to the light, and the distracting thoughts have disappeared

In this state only the last two powers of the mind remain, strengthening or suppressing

Therefore, "non-duality" means to not let the mind fall into these two forces, but to be in a state of pure awareness

Only in this way can the body and mind fall off and smoothly enter the third jhāna.

 

And the state of the second jhāna is light, so the time to use "non-duality" is in the state of light

When fully proving the "non-duality", the black liver light will open the heart Chiao and produce a different kind of deep awareness that is different from the superficial consciousness.

This depth awareness begins to produce rabbit marrow light

Therefore, when the rabbit marrow light is generated, you will know that you have not gone the wrong way.

On the other hand, if there is no rabbit marrow light, but there are a lot of image illusions, it is the wrong way.

 

當然你也可以說，博伽梵歌這本書也是有把『不二』當成一種狀態的

但是我要說的是，這本書描述的不二狀態至少也是三禪定以上的程度了

你如果連烏肝光都沒有，你的程度是連二禪定都不到的，怎麼可能達到『不二』狀態呢？

這難道不是一種自欺欺人嗎？

 

當你連烏肝光都沒有的時候，你頂多就是達到初禪的『一心境』而已

這種狀態再怎麼說也跟『不二』沾不上邊的

程度還不到啊

 

Of course, you can also say that the book of Bhagavad-gita also regards "non-duality" as a state

But what I want to say is that the state of non-duality described in this book is at least above the level of three jahna.

If you don't even have black liver light, your level is not even the level of the second jahna, how can you achieve the state of "non-duality"?

Isn't this a form of self-deception?

 

When you don't even have black liver light, at most you have reached the "one state of mind"(one-pointedness mind) of the first jhana.

No matter how you say this state, it has nothing to do with "non-duality".

Not quite enough

 

當你否定光在禪定當中的存在，你又自稱達到『不二』，這活生生就是一個很大的謊言了

When you deny the existence of light in jahna, and you claim to have achieved "non-duality", this is a big lie.

 

Edited June 9, 2022 by awaken

[awaken]

當捨斷惛沈睡眠時因光明想而所生諸法互相不超越

 

When we give up slumber and sleep, all dharmas that arise from state of light do not transcend each other

[awaken]

以光明想而對惛沈睡眠來說，當修習應該被修習的時他學習

 

The state of light to the dark sleep, he learns when the practice should be practiced

[awaken]

怎樣是對一切法在完全斷絕與滅上不現起狀態的慧為齊頭者義智？

 

What is the righteous wisdom of the one who is at the same level of wisdom for the complete cessation and extinction of all dharmas?

 

「一切法」：五蘊、十二處、十八界、善法、不善法、無記法，欲界法、色界法、無色界法、不繫屬法。

「完全斷絕」：

以離欲完全斷絕欲的意欲；

以無惡意完全斷絕惡意；

 

 

以光明想完全斷絕惛沈睡眠；

 

Cut off(Stop) the groggy and sleep with the state of light.

 

以不散亂完全斷絕掉舉；

以法的區別(界定)完全斷絕疑；

以智完全斷絕無明；

以欣悅完全斷絕不樂；

以初禪完全斷絕諸蓋……（中略）

以阿羅漢道完全斷絕一切污染。

[awaken]

已得到光明想者惛沈睡眠不現起

 

Those who have the state of light don't appear the lethargy and sleep.

[awaken]

光明想為惛沈睡眠捨斷狀態的等同

 

The state of light is the same as letting go of the state of lethargy.

 

光明想 the state of light

為 is

惛沈睡眠 lethargy

捨斷 letting go of

狀態 state

的 of

等同 the same

 

From  Paṭisambhidā-magga by Buddha's first student, S/a^riputra

 

Edited June 10, 2022 by awaken

[awaken]

當一群人用力地把耳朵遮起來，自己騙自己說已經看見『不二』的時候

 

我在這裡說啥都沒用，唯一能做的就是把證據留下來

 

讓其他人看看這些人到底是如何自己騙自己的

 

When a group of people forcefully cover their ears and lie to themselves that they have seen "non-duality"

It's useless for me to say anything here, the only thing I can do is leave the evidence behind

Let other people see how exactly these people lied to themselves

 

 

[awaken]

　「種種、單一」：many kinds, single

欲的意欲為種種；離欲為單一， the intentions of desires are many kinds, the leaving of desires is single

惡意為種種；無惡意為單一， the bad intentions are many kinds, no bad intention is single

惛沈睡眠為種種；光明想為單一， lethargy are many kinds, the state of light is single

掉舉為種種；不散亂為單一， scattered heart are many kinds, no scattered heart is single

疑為種種；法的區別(界定)為單一， to doubt are many kinds,  to distinguish dharma is single

無明為種種；智為單一， no light are many kinds, wisdom is single

不樂為種種；欣悅為單一， not being joyful are many kinds, being joyful is single

諸蓋為種種；初禪為單一  covers are many kinds, the first jahna is single

……（中略）

一切污染為種種；阿羅漢道為單一。 every pollution are many kinds, Arahant Dao is single

 

 

請不要再說萬法歸一了，真正的法是沒有模糊的空間的，不是你說什麼都是對的

 

請各位要小心，說什麼都是對的，本身就是最大的錯，因為他自己走錯路了

 

Please don't say that all methods are all the same one, the real dharma has no vague space, it's not that everything you say is right

Please be careful, when someone say everything is right in cultivation, it is the biggest fault in itself, because he himself went the wrong way

 

There is only one way right.

 

 

[awaken]

From  Paṭisambhidā-magga by Buddha's first student, S/a^riputra

 

「削減」： reduce, decrease

欲的意欲為不削減；離欲為削減， Having intentions of desires are not decrease , but giving up desires is decrease.

惡意為不削減；無惡意為削減，Having the bad intentions are not decrease, but giving up  bad intention is decrease.

惛沈睡眠為不削減；光明想為削減，Having lethargy are not the state of decrease, but the state of brightness is the state of decrease.

 

掉舉為不削減；不散亂為削減，

疑為不削減；法的區別為削減，

無明為不削減；智為削減，

不樂為不削減；欣悅為削減，

諸蓋為不削減；初禪為削減

All covers are not the state of reducing, but the first jhana is the state of reducing.

……（中略）

一切污染為不削減；阿羅漢道為削減。Every pollution are not the state of reducing, but Arahant Dao is the state of reducing.

它以已知義為智，以了知義為慧，

因為那樣被稱為：在分離、種種火永盡上的慧為削減義智。

 

所以離欲才會產生光明想

反之，貪欲不能產生光明想

 

所以這些沒有光而自稱『不二』的人，請問你是否看見你心中的貪慾？

 

Therefore, leaving from desire produces light.

Conversely, greed cannot produce light.

So those who claim to be "non-duality" without light, do you see the greed in your heart?

 

 

 

為學日益，為道日損。損之又損，以至於無為, 無為而無不為。

 

The attitude to learning is to increase, the attitude to Dao is to decrease.

Decreasing and more decreasing until Wu-wei, Wu-wei but nothing wu-wei.

 

 

 

 

Edited June 11, 2022 by awaken

[awaken]

From  Paṭisambhidā-magga by Buddha's first student, S/a^riputra

 

 

「義理開示智」：

 

the wisdom of speaking principium

 

捨斷欲的意欲者開示離欲義， 

 

Those who give up  desires give the speech of the principium of  leaving of desires

 

 

捨斷惡意者開示無惡意義，

 

Those who give up  bad intentions give the speech of  the principium of no bad intention

 

 

捨斷惛沈睡眠者開示光明想義，

 

Those who give up  the lethargy give the speech of  the principium of light

 

捨斷掉舉者開示不散亂義，

捨斷疑者開示法的區別(界定)義，

捨斷無明者開示智義，

捨斷不樂者開示欣悅義，

捨斷諸蓋者開示初禪義

……（中略）

捨斷一切污染者開示阿羅漢道義。

 

Those who give up all the pollution give the speech of  the principium of Arahant Dao

 

 

它以已知義為智，以了知義為慧，因為那樣被稱為：種種法說明的慧為義理開示智。

 

it treat known meaning as be good intelligent

 

it treat understood meaning as  wisdom

 

because that is called...

 

the wisdom of speaking of all kinds of dharma is the wisdom of give the speech of the principium

 

老子說，智者弗語，不是智者不說，而是智者不亂說

不亂說，跟不說，不是同一件事情

 

Lao Tzu said that the wise man 『弗fu』speaks , it is not that the wise man does not speak, but the wise man does not speak nonsense

Not talking nonsense, not talking, it's not the same thing

 

智者當然會說，而且說得很清楚，因為很清楚怎麼回事，所以不會亂說

Of course the wise will speak, and speak clearly, because he knows what's going on, so he won't talk nonsense

 

 

Edited June 11, 2022 by awaken

[Cobie]

3 hours ago, awaken said:

… Lao Tzu said that the wise man 『弗fu』speaks ,

it is not that the wise man does not speak, but the wise man does not speak nonsense …

That’s correct. 

 

In the grammar at the time of Laozi:

- 弗 implied an object

-  what could be deduced from the context was mostly left out

 

So the literal translation is

- the wise man does not speak ‘something’

- and the context allows interpreting the ‘something’ as ‘nonsense’ here.

 

 

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[awaken]

事實上是我英文太差，找不到適合的字眼

Actually, it is because my poor English to find a proper word.

 

 

不說

不 not 

說 talk

 

不亂說

不 not

亂 mess

說 talk

[Cobie]

I was referring to:

 

3 hours ago, awaken said:

老子說，智者弗語，

 

Edited June 11, 2022 by Cobie

[awaken]

怎樣是在捨棄上的慧為解脫的轉回智？

 

What is the intelligence of liberation of turning back in the wisdom of giving up ?

 

「以離欲捨棄欲的意欲」是在捨棄上的慧為解脫的轉回智；

「以無惡意捨棄惡意」是在捨棄上的慧為解脫的轉回智；

 

「以光明想捨棄惛沈睡眠」是在捨棄上的慧為解脫的轉回智；

 

'Giving up the lethargy with brightness', the intelligence of liberation of turning back in the wisdom of giving up.

 

 

「以不散亂捨棄掉舉」是在捨棄上的慧為解脫的轉回智；「以法的區別(界定)捨棄疑」是在捨棄上的慧為解脫的轉回智……（中略）「以阿羅漢道捨棄一切污染」是在捨棄上的慧為解脫的轉回智。它以已知義為智，以了知義為慧，因為那樣被稱為：在捨棄上的慧為解脫的轉回智

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[awaken]

哪些是八障礙智與八資助智？

 

 

What are the Eight Obstacles and the Eight Helps?

 

 

欲的意欲是定的障礙，離欲是定的資助；

惡意是定的障礙，無惡意是定的資助；

惛沈睡眠是定的障礙，光明想是定的資助；

 

Lethargy is a hindrance to samadhi, and a state of light is the aid of samadhi;

 

掉舉是定的障礙，不散亂是定的資助；

疑是定的障礙，法的區別是定的資助；

無明是定的障礙，智是定的資助；

不樂是定的障礙，欣悅是定的資助；

一切不善法是定的障礙，一切善法是定的資助。

這些是八障礙智與八資助智。

[awaken]

有人說『正確的路只有一條』這種想法是強迫正確，而且宣稱這樣的思想是暴力

這是很愚蠢的，用一種世間法的眼光，來看出世間法

出世間法本來就跟世間法不同，用同一種邏輯去看，本身就有很大的問題

出世間法本來就只有唯一的一條途徑

只有找不到路的人，或者愚蠢的人，才會以為路很多條

Some people say that the idea of "there is only one right way" is forced to be right, and claim that such thinking is violent

This is very stupid, to see the worldly rules with the eyes of the out worldly rules

The out worldly rules are inherently different from the Worldly rules, and when viewed with the same logic, there are huge problems in themselves.

There is only one way of the out worldly rules.

Only people who can't find the way, or stupid people, will think that there are many roads

 

如果你仍然堅持這樣的思想是一種暴力

你就是指控佛陀的思想是暴力，因為這種話說最多的人就是佛陀

如果在你眼中，佛陀也是暴力份子，那全世界的人在你眼中還有人不是暴力份子嗎？

 

If you still hold on to the thought it's a form of violence

You are accusing the Buddha's thoughts of being violent, because the person who says it the most is the Buddha

If in your eyes, the Buddha is also a violent person, are there still people in the world who are not violent in your eyes?

[awaken]

《毘婆尸佛經》卷1：「No. 3 [No. 1(1), Nos. 2, 4]毘婆尸佛經卷上[2]西天譯經三藏朝散大夫試鴻臚卿[3]傳教大師[4]臣法天奉　詔譯」(CBETA 2022.Q1, T01, no. 3, p. 154b4-8)[2]：西天譯經三藏【大】，宋【明】[3]：傳【大】，明【宋】【元】【明】[4]：臣【大】，〔－〕【明】

 

《毘婆尸佛經》卷1：「爾時 at that time，世尊說此偈已 after Buddha had said the poem，告苾芻言 and told Bichu：「時 at that time，毘婆尸菩薩復觀色受想行識 Bivashi Buddhisatva aware body, feeling, thoughts, action force and consciousness，生滅不住 keep on appearing and disappearing ，如幻如化無有真實 just like illusion, not real，智觀現前 awareness wisdom appear，業習煩惱一切不生 karma and trouble disappear，得大解脫 get the big relief，成正等覺 success to get the right awareness。」

 

爾時 then，世尊而說頌曰 Buddha said this song：「毘婆尸菩薩 Bivashi Buddhisatva，  復觀蘊等法 aware the five Yin dharma again， 入彼三摩地 get into the Samadhi，  [1]智觀現前時 when the awareness wisdom appear， 惑苦業習氣  Confusion, Pain, Karma, Habits  一切皆不生 everything disappear， 如飄兜羅綿 floating just like the cotton in the sky，  剎那不可住 can not be stopped in an instant， 成就佛菩提 achieve Buddhahood，  涅槃吉祥果 Nirvana auspicious fruit， 如月大圓明 the big circle brightness like moon，  光徧十方界the light shine all the world。」 」(CBETA 2022.Q1, T01, no. 3, p. 156b19-29)[1]：智【大】，香【元】

 

 

這段說得很清楚，達到出現像月亮一樣的大圓明光，就是涅槃成果

 

This passage makes it very clear that to achieve the appearance of the big circle light like the moon is the achievement of nirvana.

 

當你真的證悟博伽梵經裡面的『不二』，你必然能練出大明月，並且達到涅槃

 

When you truly realize the "non-duality" in the Bhagavad Sutra, you will definitely be able to reach the Great Bright Moon and reach Nirvana.

 

如果你沒有，請不要隨便把『不二』當成裝飾自我感的時尚服裝

If you don't have one, please don't just take "non-duality" as a fashionable garment to decorate your sense of self

 

所有意識的演化，必然同時伴隨光的演化

The evolution of all consciousness must be accompanied by the evolution of light

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[Cobie]

 

10 hours ago, awaken said:

… 只有找不到路的人，或者愚蠢的人，才會以為路很多條 

如果你仍然堅持這樣的思想是一種暴力 …

 

… Only people who can't find the way, or stupid people, will think that there are many roads

If you still hold on to the thought it's a form of violence …

 

Imo, you are on a slippery slope to extremism.

 

 

Edited June 12, 2022 by Cobie

[Cobie]

There are as many roads as there are people.  
 

 

Edited June 12, 2022 by Cobie