Sifu Dan LaRochelle and the Rizzo brothers

[johndoe2012]

3 hours ago, Turnip said:

How do you know that preheaven jing is replenished in high level Vortexhealing classes? Is this just a hunch of yours or does Vortexhealing specifically speak of replenishing preheaven jing? 

 

Merlin can do it by channeling prenatal jing. Not sure which class they start doing that. After core veil, see their site with class descriptions. 

[Turnip]

22 hours ago, johndoe2012 said:

 

Merlin can do it by channeling prenatal jing. Not sure which class they start doing that. After core veil, see their site with class descriptions. 

I looked, you're right. Interesting. Presumably you practice Vortexhealing. What has been your experience with it? As compared to other forms of energy healing / qi gong you have practiced? 

[johndoe2012]

52 minutes ago, Turnip said:

I looked, you're right. Interesting. Presumably you practice Vortexhealing. What has been your experience with it? As compared to other forms of energy healing / qi gong you have practiced? 

 

Energy healing wise much deeper than Reiki. 

 

Also Ric Weinman, the founder, is a spiritual genius on the way he has made the healing protocols and the ideas he keeps getting on ways to heal all kinds of issues.

 

Not only emotional but physical issues like allergies. Healing bacteria and viruses by burning them out with fire etc. 

 

There are global healing tools in case you want to help the Divine with changing the world and manifest peace on earth. 

 

Today after intense dancing classes I could have done standing qigong to clear the leg channels but was lazy and worn out, so laid down on the bed and started channeling vortex to clear the legs. After 5-10 min they were clear from tension. 

 

Also it doesn't negate the human like so many East Asian traditions. It encourages to be human as part of the path. 

[Turnip]

1 hour ago, johndoe2012 said:

 

Energy healing wise much deeper than Reiki. 

 

Also Ric Weinman, the founder, is a spiritual genius on the way he has made the healing protocols and the ideas he keeps getting on ways to heal all kinds of issues.

 

Not only emotional but physical issues like allergies. Healing bacteria and viruses by burning them out with fire etc. 

 

There are global healing tools in case you want to help the Divine with changing the world and manifest peace on earth. 

 

Today after intense dancing classes I could have done standing qigong to clear the leg channels but was lazy and worn out, so laid down on the bed and started channeling vortex to clear the legs. After 5-10 min they were clear from tension. 

 

Also it doesn't negate the human like so many East Asian traditions. It encourages to be human as part of the path. 

Thank you, very interesting stuff

[Antares]

13 hours ago, johndoe2012 said:

Also it doesn't negate the human like so many East Asian traditions.

As for the Daoists, they did not neglect but knew the laws of cycles according to which a person receives and spends the Yuan Qi received from their parents. The peak of this Qi comes at the age of 16-20 years old, and until the age of 16, its reserve even increases, but then it decreases every 8 years. Moreover, after 48 years, a person enters the Yin phase, in which the original Yang is diminished at a rapid pace. As they say: at 20 years old, you can stay up all night partying with girls, and in the morning you'll feel as if you hadn't partied or drank at all; at 40 years old, in the morning you already feel like you've been out drinking and socializing; and by 60 years old— even though you didn't go out and spent the night sleeping — you wake up feeling like you'd been out all night partying and drinking. In other words, after the age of 50, it's increasingly difficult to regain an increase in Yuan Qi, and if one doesn't obtain a method of replenishment by that time, it may simply be too late to complete the transformation. This explains some of the detachment among Daoists — they have to choose between social life, entertainment, and the path of transformation. Even possessing a method, there might just not be enough time to finish the transformation. Therefore, starting practice at the ages of 16–20 is best. From the perspective of ordinary people, life is meant for satisfying desires and having fun. If one manages to fully replenish their Yuan Qi to their physiological maximum and "fix" this result, then they could live a little bit of an ordinary person's life. However, they might not have enough time to achieve the next significant result, which also requires a certain amount of time. It’s possible to miss completing this process in this incarnation, hence the Daoist attitude toward human nature — there's no guarantee that in the next reincarnation one will find a teacher and a method. And as the Daoists say, not everyone will manage to acquire a new body. Regarding FP, if it is indeed a Daoist system (which seems likely), obtaining the union of Xin and Ming may require knowledge of the "periods of fire," i.e., understanding the order of practice. The problem with the video is that it lacks a clear structure of practice, which is only revealed to personal disciples.

[johndoe2012]

Relationships at all levels including the relationship to your human experience is a reflection of your relationship to the Divine. 

 

What Daoist calls Original Mind is your ordinary awareness without the selfing active. 

 

This can be found partying and it can also be found meditating in a cave. 

 

Social life is healthy for the human and you can share your heart with other fellow humans. No need for seclusion anymore. 

[Antares]

I think those who do 18 repetitions of BTB med from FP (for instance) at the speed of 'shifting dune sand' (as Terry recommends) can agree with this approach or not. Once I tried doing one set of 18 reps, and it took me about 60 minutes to complete this meditation. You probably know how many meditations are needed throughout the day. If someone has time for work, partying, family, and other social relationships... why not enjoy life a little more if immortality has already been achieved? After all, from what I understand, FDD was a monk, and there must be a reason for that.

Edited April 13 by Antares

[MIchael80]

On 11.4.2025 at 4:48 PM, Turnip said:

How do you know that preheaven jing is replenished in high level Vortexhealing classes? Is this just a hunch of yours or does Vortexhealing specifically speak of replenishing preheaven jing? 

You could be more friendly.. here on a public forum.

They specifically speak of it. 

[Turnip]

8 hours ago, MIchael80 said:

You could be more friendly.. here on a public forum.

They specifically speak of it. 

You’re right, sorry. The claim just seemed odd as Vortexhealing as far as I know has no Taoist or Chinese origins. Vortexhealing is definitely intriguing, if it is what it claims to be, I would totally want to practice it. It just scares me a bit that’s all. I’m sorry for the rudeness though, my bad

[MIchael80]

9 hours ago, Turnip said:

You’re right, sorry. The claim just seemed odd as Vortexhealing as far as I know has no Taoist or Chinese origins. Vortexhealing is definitely intriguing, if it is what it claims to be, I would totally want to practice it. It just scares me a bit that’s all. I’m sorry for the rudeness though, my bad

Hey, thanks for your apologies! That shows greatness! 🙏😊

The yuan chi refillment is not exclusive to China. Tamil siddha tradition (south india) has it too...there are even non public buddhist lineages that have it.

Vortexhealing started in India over 5000 years ago.

I have worked with several high level healers across the globe but Vortexhealing stands out as a healing and awakening path.

The prenatal and constitutional energies refillment starts in the higher classes (called "Jewel" and especially in "Merlins grace"). You can download a class describtions PDF from from their website.

Go on YouTube and check out a few Interviews with Ric Weinman the lineage holder to get more clarity for yourself if this could be a path for you or not. 

All the best on your way! 

[Turnip]

12 hours ago, MIchael80 said:

Hey, thanks for your apologies! That shows greatness! 🙏😊

The yuan chi refillment is not exclusive to China. Tamil siddha tradition (south india) has it too...there are even non public buddhist lineages that have it.

Vortexhealing started in India over 5000 years ago.

I have worked with several high level healers across the globe but Vortexhealing stands out as a healing and awakening path.

The prenatal and constitutional energies refillment starts in the higher classes (called "Jewel" and especially in "Merlins grace"). You can download a class describtions PDF from from their website.

Go on YouTube and check out a few Interviews with Ric Weinman the lineage holder to get more clarity for yourself if this could be a path for you or not. 

All the best on your way! 

Interesting, thank you, I appreciate it

[Antares]

17 hours ago, MIchael80 said:

The prenatal and constitutional energies refillment starts in the higher classes (called "Jewel" and especially in "Merlins grace"). You can download a class describtions PDF from from their website.

There should be not only Ming but Xing work too otherwise it can cause imbalance. It is quite dangerous to nourish Ming without proper Xing-xin work.

[johndoe2012]

4 hours ago, Antares said:

There should be not only Ming but Xing work too otherwise it can cause imbalance. It is quite dangerous to nourish Ming without proper Xing-xin work.

 

Plenty of xing work in VortexHealing. 

 

What do you think awakening means? 

 

Not dangerous at all to replenish those energies. Merlin wouldn't allow it. It is a Divine system. 

Edited April 15 by johndoe2012

[Antares]

9 hours ago, johndoe2012 said:

Plenty of xing work in VortexHealing. 

 

What do you think awakening means? 

I have just looked through Ric' book - "karmic knots removal" seems to be the same as "heart - mind" purification process in Daoist system.

[Antares]

@silent thunder

It's not the same but part of it. These knots are just blockages we all have. They use different approach but daoist system is more advanced 

[johndoe2012]

24 minutes ago, Antares said:

@silent thunder

It's not the same but part of it. These knots are just blockages we all have. They use different approach but daoist system is more advanced 

Not more advanced. Less advanced. 

 

Stop spreading FUD about systems you know nothing about. 

[Antares]

1 minute ago, johndoe2012 said:

Stop spreading FUD about systems you know nothing about. 

 

If this system is more advanced there would be immortals in this system but the inventor of this system does not look like he is

[johndoe2012]

More slander from Antares. You don't know but you spread slander.

 

I suggest you stop or you will be reported to the admins. 

[Antares]

Emotional reactions dont prove anything, there are physical and other signs for high (advanced) achievements, no signs, no  achievements. I have rights to express my opinion on the forum

[johndoe2012]

You have been reported. 

 

Your slander against Terry Dunn also needs to stop. 

[Antares]

2 minutes ago, johndoe2012 said:

You have been reported. 

Okey, no problem for me. This is Daoist section of the forum. What signs of immortality Ric Weinman has and why his achievements higher than FDD achievements? Why not to explain it here instead of reporting to admins?

[Turnip]

It doesn't come off as slander to me. Freedom of speech should be prioritized over the sheltering of people and systems from any kind of challenge or criticism, especially when dealing with serious things like spiritual cultivation. Any system and teacher that warrants faith and a following should as a fundamental have faith in themselves. They should also welcome questions and challenges with gratitude, as this allows them to strengthen their faith and be awakened to any problems lying in their assumed reality-box.  Criticism and challenging something can also be a sign of respect, if he wasn't intrigued by the possibilities of Vortex Healing he wouldn't put energy into investigating and challenging it. Though it can come across as an infringement on your freedom of thought, in reality it is only something that respects your freedom of thought, as it acknowledges that you can take criticism and still think for yourself. I was coddled as a child and all it did was reinforce the perception that there was a reason to feel threatened by that which lied outside my reality box, and reinforced the perception that I was weak and in need of protection and shielding. True freedom lies in the true perception of non-threat, therefore the non-construction of walls. 

[Antares]

1 minute ago, Turnip said:

It doesn't come off as slander to me. Freedom of speech should be prioritized over the sheltering of people

Correct. Heart - mind pureness and ability to see the truth over the lie is very crucial for the Daoist people. The problem these days people mix systems and get confused which way they follow. That is why mixing different system is dangerous or at least it should be done with care until one has high achievements in one system

[johndoe2012]

Turnip, Ric has never said 'I am immortal' but if you look at Antares posts he insinuates 'somebody' outside Flying Phoenix Qigong knows much more than Terry Dunn. And that insinuation comes off as a passive aggressive attack on Terry as if he knows nothing about what he is doing. 

 

And 'somebody' told Antares that Garry Hearfield has been kicked out from Bak Fu Pai. 

 

In this thread Antares continues with insinuation in how VortexHealing is dangerous in replenishing jing. 

 

It goes on and on. 

 

It might be his troll communication style but seen from here very bad style of trolling to get a reply. 

[johndoe2012]

1 hour ago, Antares said:

Emotional reactions dont prove anything, there are physical and other signs for high (advanced) achievements, no signs, no  achievements. I have rights to express my opinion on the forum

 

Indeed, your emotional reactions to my posts only prove I have a point.