My 3-Month Experiment with Testosterone Blockers

[RongzomFan]

Funny how? Whats funny about it?

 

Edited August 28, 2013 by alwayson

[i am]

I like how you like your own posts...that's funny.

 

You're picking certain parts of religions that not all practitioners of those religions practice. Like saying all Christians are southern baptist, or are snake charmers, or all Mormons are polygamists. Or all Moslems want to kill us

 

And you're confusing a life and path disturbing LUST which sounds to have been the main driving force in the OPs life, with healthy sex, and using it to get on a soap box which isn't really apt to this thread. It sounds pretty clear to me that there was a PROBLEM. We aren't talking about sex as cultivation, we're talking about sex as an addiction, and disruptive/damaging force in this guys life.

 

If you want to find a Puritan to preach about healthy sex to, I'm sure you can find one. But he ain't here...

Edited August 28, 2013 by i am

[skydog]

Funny how? Whats funny about it?

 

 

 

Like some people act like sex is so unholy and sinful, well we are alive, and it is part of our nature..

 

On the other hand, Ive experienced many benefits from a long period of not indulging in wasting sexual energy recently, and has changed my thoughts somewhat,

 

It is difficult to make any real belief on the subject

[skydog]

well the part about named pema and under 21 I dont know caused a laugh, I havent analysed why lol

[i am]

Exactly. Sex is part of our nature, and is good.

 

But when you're breaking up realtionships, marriages, impulsively seeking it out like a fix? Sounds like something that neede work.

 

Anyone seen the recent movie Shame? This is what I'm talking about. Alwayson, watch that movie and tell me if that guy is healthy, and that we're puritanical to judge him.

 

Of course yes, it's just a movie, but I think it shows pretty clearly what I'm talking about here. Sex is great. Addiction to sex is not.

Edited August 28, 2013 by i am

[RiverSnake]

 

 

Like some people act like sex is so unholy and sinful, well we are alive, and it is part of our nature..

 

On the other hand, Ive experienced many benefits from a long period of not indulging in wasting sexual energy recently, and has changed my thoughts somewhat,

 

It is difficult to make any real belief on the subject

It's not about what's holy or unholy, good or bad. It's about "WHAT YOU WANT AS AN INDIVIDUAL". Not everyone wants to cultivate the path and attain higher levels of self realization....however, if you do and are very determined to do so then you should use all of your energy for that particular direction.

 

However, if you want to have a family and and be a successful in buisiness then you should put all your energy in that direction. If you want to be a male player and get as many notches on your belt then put all of your energy in that direction.....but just make sure your doing all of the above while fully conscious and self aware. It's not about good and bad....there are consequences for all of the above "directions", one might say the practitioner faces some of the most painful but liberating consequences there is. As individuals we just have to make up our minds as to what we want to do, you cannot walk in all directions at once.

 

My 2 cents, Peace

[RongzomFan]

Humans are not evolutionary "designed" to be monogamous.

 

If you view cheating and infidelity as problems, that comes from your culture.

[ॐDominicusॐ]

Humans are not evolutionary "designed" to be monogamous.

 

If you view cheating and infidelity as problems, that comes from your culture.

So in your culture, you believe you are human?

[RongzomFan]

So in your culture, you believe you are human?

 

According to science humans are mammals.

 

All mammals are horny bastards.

Edited August 28, 2013 by alwayson

[ॐDominicusॐ]

According to science humans are mammals.

 

All mammals are horny bastards.

Which part of the body is you then? Or where in the body are you?

 

I have a friend who had both legs and his penis blown off in Afghanistan, and is now bound in a wheel chair for life. He still exists and is conscious, leading me to conclude that we are not the lower portion of the body.

 

I have another friend who is a vet, lost 1 of his arms up to the shoulder in the Military. Leading my to conclude that we are not the bottom portion of the body, penis, nor arms.

 

Another friend of mind once dated an extremely attractive woman who was blind since birth. We are not the eyes then as well. There also exist 'humans" with various other missing senses.

 

So which part of is the Real "Me."?

[RongzomFan]

here are some quotations from 2 different books, Nagarjuna's Reason Sixty and Center of the Sunlit Sky:

 

Nagarjuna said "If I had any position, I thereby would be at fault. Since
I have no position, I am not at fault at all."

Aryadeva said "Against someone who has no thesis of “existence,
nonexistence, or [both] existence and nonexistence,” it is not possible to
level a charge, even if [this is tried] for a long time."

 

"I do not say that entities do not exist, because I say that they originate in dependence. “So are you a realist then?” I am not, because I am just a proponent of dependent origination. “What sort of nature is it then that you [propound]?” I propound dependent origination. “What is the meaning of dependent origination?” It has the meaning of the lack of a nature and the meaning of nonarising through a nature [of its own]. It has the meaning of the origination of results with a nature similar to that of illusions, mirages, reflections, cities of scent-eaters, magical creations, and dreams. It has the meaning of emptiness and identitylessness."
-Candrakirti

 

"Nagarjuna taught , "bereft of beginning, middle, and end," meaning that the world is free from creation, duration, and destruction."

-Candrakirti

 

"Once one asserts things, one will succumb to the view of seeing such by imagining their beginning, middle and end; hence that grasping at things is the cause of all views."
-Candrakirti

 

"the perfectly enlightened buddhas-proclaimed, "What is dependently created is uncreated."
-Candrakirti

"Likewise, here as well, the Lord Buddha’s pronouncement that "What is dependently created is objectively uncreated," is to counteract insistence on the objectivity of things."
-Candrakirti

"Since relativity is not objectively created, those who, through this reasoning, accept dependent things as resembling the moon in water and reflections in a mirror, understand them as neither objectively true nor false. Therefore, those who think thus regarding dependent things realize that what is dependently arisen cannot be substantially existent, since what is like a reflection is not real. If it were real, that would entail the absurdity that its transformation would be impossible. Yet neither is it unreal, since it manifests as real within the world."
-Candrakirti

 

Nagarjuna in Mūlamadhyamakakārikā 1.1. states:

"Not from themselves, not from something other,

Not from both, and not without a cause-

At any place and any time,

All entities lack arising."

 

Buddhapālita comments (using consequentalist arguments which ultimately snowballs into Tibetan prasangika vs. svatantrika):

"Entities do not arise from their own intrinsic nature, because their arising would be pointless and because they would arise endlessly. For entities that [already] exist as their own intrinsic nature, there is no need to arise again. If they were to arise despite existing [already], there would be no time when they do not arise; [but] that is also not asserted [by the Enumerators].

 

Candrakīrti, in ''Madhyamakāvatāra'' VI.14., comments:

"If something were to originate in dependence on something other than it,

Well, then utter darkness could spring from flames

And everything could arise from everything,

Because everything that does not produce [a specific result] is the same in being other [than it]."

 

Candrakīrti, in the ''Prasannapadā'', comments:

"Entities also do not arise from something other, because there is nothing other."

 

Nagarjuna in ''Mūlamadhyamakakārikā'' 1.3cd. states:

"If an entity in itself does not exist,

An entity other [than it] does not exist either."

 

Candrakīrti, in the ''Prasannapadā'', comments:

"Nor do entities arise from both [themselves and others], because this would entail [all] the flaws that were stated for both of these theses and because none of these [disproved possibilities] have the capacity to produce [entities]."

 

Nagarjuna, in ''Mūlamadhyamakakārikā'' VII.17., states:

"If some nonarisen entity

Existed somewhere,

It might arise.

However, since such does not exist, what would arise?"

 

Nagarjuna, in ''Mūlamadhyamakakārikā'' VII.19cd., states:

"If something that lacks arising could arise,

Just about anything could arise in this way."

 

Candrakīrti, in ''Madhyamakāvatāra'' VI.151., comments:

"It is not asserted that a chariot is something other than its parts.

It is not something that is not other, nor does it possess them.

It does not exist in the parts, nor do the parts exist in it.

It is neither their mere collection nor the shape—thus is the analogy."

[RiverSnake]

Sexual energy can express itself in an Infinite variety of ways, the most basic is busting a nut inside a women and creating another human, this satisfies nature because it keeps the species going....but human beings have other forms of expressing our sexual energy that animals don't......such as art, music, dancing, martial arts, meditation....etc......we very much are sexual beings but that energy is not limited to physical sex nor will such limited expression ever satisfy oneself fully.

 

Is monogamy natural?....what's natural is sexual energy and its desire to express itself....it can be expressed by having many partners, a single partner....or by having no partners and finding other ways to express it as stated above. Society orchestrates certain social systems to funnel sexual energy effectively so there can be some semblance of stability within society via family structures, monogamy, polygamy.....etc.....there just different systems with the same goal. You can say these systems are unnatural and I want to throw them out.....ok......now what?.....people need social structure and patterns just as much as they need to sexual expression in whatever form they find.......sounds like your a bit sexually frustrated alwayson.

 

 

My 2 cents, Peace

Edited August 28, 2013 by OldChi

[RongzomFan]

sounds like your a bit sexually frustrated alwayson.

 

 

Don't project OldChi

 

I just don't buy into your cultural values.

[RiverSnake]

 

Don't project OldChi

 

I just don't buy into your cultural values.

What are my cultural values? Pleas explain them to me?

[RongzomFan]

Nope. By now, he's projecting fresh, alive chi!

 

 

that's hot

[Seeker of Wisdom]

 

According to science humans are mammals.

 

All mammals are horny bastards.

Therefore, a horny mindstream may be reborn a mammal. You've got cause and effect the wrong way around.

 

And that mindstream may become less horny, and in its next birth not be reborn a mammal.

 

Also, asexual people exist.

[ॐDominicusॐ]

Also, asexual people exist.Also, asexual people exist.

Thank you for that last bit Seeker of Tao. Hit the nail on the head!!!!!

 

Though we are all, so much more than, these words and labels we use

[i am]

I will say that alwayson is defending a fantasy world...setting up his version of how the world could be, then chastising us all for not having the same fantasy.

 

In the world we live in, at least my area of it, cheating of your fiancée, wife, or being part of someone else's wife cheating etc., hurts people. It tears them up and causes all sorts of internal agony. Are you going to disagree with this? Or has your fantasy world taken over so much that you'd look at a person emotionally raw from being cheated on and say "open your mind. Mammals aren't monogamous"?

 

You're assuming all partners are willing partners in this, that because you don't see much (though there is some) monogamy in nature, that nobody minds being cheated on, and weekend orgies are totally cool. Is breaking up marriages, engagements, having compulsive sex a healthy, spiritual lifestyle? You really think that? Come right out and say you think that's cool, rather than a whole bunch of quotes about something else entirely.

 

You remind of some guys I knew in college. Cool guys. One of them was into grabbing people's asses. Men and women. He was...different in a way that made 99% of the people he did it to ok with it.

 

Well, these other guys decided to pick up on it at this party, except they were only doing it to girls. Some of the girls got pretty offended...when we confronted them they got in our faces telling us to "open our minds. It's just a body. It's ok".

 

They were imposing their pseudo-philosophical thought of the day on other people's bodies.

 

If someone is hurt by getting cheated on, if someone doesn't approve of casual sex, are you "on the path" if you disregard this and do your thing anyway? Is hurting people ok, because your philosophy says sex can be with anyone at any time? Even though theirs doesnt?

 

If you meet a society where everybody is up for sex whenever, no hurt feelings, no monogamy...then cool, you'll be where you want to be. But I don't see that society here...so stop acting like it is.

Edited August 29, 2013 by i am

[ॐDominicusॐ]

I will say that alwayson is defending a fantasy world...setting up his version of how the world could be, then chastising us all for not having the same fantasy.

Hello "I Am." Yes, I've come to find that every single path, religion, methodology, has it's militant dogmatic types that will refute everything that isn't like what they say.

 

I would bet the majority of Enlightenment, is not gained through Karmamudra. But hey, I guess I'm brainwashed by judeo-christian brainwashing and have psychological disorders because I don't follow the bodies lusts which urge me to sleep with random chicks wherever I can get it.

 

I guess I'm lost and will never be found unless I find a 12 year old virgin with whom I can do Karmamudra with in order to gain Enlightenment following specific methodologies according to specific Sutra's.

 

The sane are the crazies. The Crazies are the sane. All is relative and everyone's individual path is THE ONLY correct path.

 

Oh well

[i am]

Back on topic, though, and sorry if you addressed this already:

 

So other than clear headed and all that, I'd be interested to hear what the rest of life was like. We hear that it's the harnessing of sexual energy that you use to further your practice. I don't know how testosterone relates to sexual energy... But if you were doing any energy work, I wonder if it suffered much with testosterone blockers?

 

I've always figured that my mental state (somewhat unique among most people I know, but nothing special in this community) was due to low testosterone. But the times I've mentioned that, female friends of mine have commented that they would not assume that I have low t. So who knows. Maybe it's more my upbringing that gives me my attitude, and not hormone levels.

Edited August 29, 2013 by i am

[RongzomFan]

In the world we live in, at least my area of it, cheating of your fiancée, wife, or being part of someone else's wife cheating etc., hurts people. It tears them up and causes all sorts of internal agony.

 

only because of our attachments (on the personal level) and culture (on the societal level).

 

 

Or has your fantasy world taken over so much that you'd look at a person emotionally raw from being cheated on and say "open your mind. Mammals aren't monogamous"?

 

I would tell them to recognize the conceptualizing mind.

 

You're assuming all partners are willing partners in this, that because you don't see much (though there is some) monogamy in nature, that nobody minds being cheated on, and weekend orgies are totally cool. Is breaking up marriages, engagements, having compulsive sex a healthy, spiritual lifestyle? You really think that? Come right out and say you think that's cool, rather than a whole bunch of quotes about something else entirely.

 

Yes I think all of that is mostly fine. There was nothing in the OP that indicated compulsion more than normal.

 

You remind of some guys I knew in college. Cool guys. One of them was into grabbing people's asses.

 

It has to be consensual obviously. Don't use straw man arguments.

[RongzomFan]

I guess I'm lost and will never be found unless I find a 12 year old virgin with whom I can do Karmamudra with in order to gain Enlightenment following specific methodologies according to specific Sutra's.

 

tantras, not sutras

[i am]

Please note, this experiment was done roughly 11-14 years ago, and the rest is a reflection:

 

IN my Teens and Early 20's I was literally an animal. Weekend long porn fests, cheating on every Girlfriend (and an ex-fiance) I ever had, I've even paid for sex numerous times, along with the one night stands so easy to have at clubs/bars (My trick then: Stay sober, and find a drunk girl to take home. Twas a cakewalk). Please note, I am not proud of my life back then, but it was how it was.

 

I would repress the lust, only to find that it came back 100 times stronger a week or two later, leading me back to old acts again.

 

Eventually I learned masterbation with No-Thought, along with neti neti of all the old circuits and mental associations with lust. This helped a ton, but the lust still stirred up the animal in me. I would literally become drunk with lust and all logic/reason/sanity/peace would go out the window. Talk about Dr. Jeckyl & Mr. Hyde.

 

This all seems totally normal to you? I'm sorry...

 

Funny you mention the straw man, as it seems to me that's exactly what you're doing here

[RongzomFan]

This all seems totally normal to you? I'm sorry...

 

Yes.

 

Go to college.

 

Its all very normal....

[RongzomFan]

I am,

 

Are you supporting the use of testosterone blockers?

 

Are you really telling me that?